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teh stallionz!!1
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- 82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
i plan to order on friday when i get paid... hopefully there will be some in stock!
I doubt it. I suspect that the only "lite" version is the one they already have. There is far to much development cost in the wi-fi interface to ever sell it for anything less several hundred dollars. I would certainly not hold my breath for a $99 wi-fi version and a Bluetooth version would be too problematic.Hopefully your mobile team is considering a Lite version for $99 bucks or whatever that works with unsupported wifi/bt devices similar to the unsupported devices you can register vcds to work with in limited fashion currently
To use third-party bluetooth or WiFi enabled OBD-II adapters would require Ross-Tech to write and support multiple software applications to run on a variety of devices (i.e. Apple's MacOS & iOS, Google's Android, Microsoft's WindowsOS & RT, and Linux). Ross-Tech would also have to test these software applications with a variety of third-party bluetooth and WiFi enabled OBD-II adapters.I'm not talking about selling a cheaper device, I'm talking about *only* mobile VCDS (none of the standard VCDS stuff) for unsupported hardware (like those ELM devices that people use with Torq) .....
Or one port, if a cross platform development toolkit is used. There are still the complexities of testing, but in this day and age, cross platform support is nowhere near as difficult as some would have you believe. The OBD devices mentioned are just Bluetooth serial, so no issues supporting the connectivity either, since it's a standard.To use third-party bluetooth or WiFi enabled OBD-II adapters would require Ross-Tech to write and support multiple software applications to run on a variety of devices (i.e. Apple's MacOS & iOS, Google's Android, Microsoft's WindowsOS & RT, and Linux). Ross-Tech would also have to test these software applications with a variety of third-party bluetooth and WiFi enabled OBD-II adapters.
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1) Earlier this week I bought a Dell Venue 8 Pro, mainly to run VCDS, and so far it works great.QUESTIONS: My questions are not about VCDS-Mobile they are about classic VCDS. For those who have used classic VCDS on Windows 8 tablets:
1) How well does VCDS work on a Windows 8 tablets which have smaller displays than laptops and also do not have a mouse or keyboard?
2) Is it too easy to make a fumbled "tap" or "touch and hold" gesture that would mess you up when using VCDS on a tablet?
3) Did you need to purchase a more expensive tablet like the Microsoft Surface Pro which has additional full size USB ports or were you able to use tablets which have only one Micro USB port (whose purpose is mainly intended for charging the tablet)?
4) Were any special cables (like an OTG adapter) required to connect the Windows 8 tablet which has only one Micro USB port to the Ross-Tech Micro-CAN or HEX-USB+CAN products?
At which point the toolkit essentially becomes your platform and you're forever dependent on whoever made it to stay around and to support future versions of your target OSs, as well as any new OSs that come out and get popular. No thanks. We've been at this for a while (14 years now!) and would like to be around 14 yeas from now, so we looked for the most future-proof approach possible.Or one port, if a cross platform development toolkit is used.
I don't think so as Java and Flash are the two primary routes for what Mac malware there is to get into Mac OS X, and iOS is based on a kernel of Mac OS X.Does Apple even allow you to use a JVM on iOS?
And, there's incompatibilities between different, very close, versions of the Sun/Oracle J2SE JVM, let alone between different vendors of JVMs and Java-like VMs. Especially when you start getting into timing-dependent hardware access.
It is another sad day here. My vcds cable (the pre-awesome model) sits quietly on a shelf, next to the dedicated netbook needed to run it. I just don't know what to do, the friggin car keeps starting and working the way it should after 16 model years. Sadly my vcds cable has become a conversation piece, maybe I should buy the new awesome version (wonder if it comes in various decorative colors) to spruce up the room.With all of this highly valuable expert testimony in this thread I hope someone will step up to the plate and make Ross-Tech pay for these perceived offenses against the marketplace.
If they were doing such a poor job at things that are so easy (judging by this thread) then it seems like someone could easily displace them with a better product, better service, and better pricing.
I look forward to a wave of new people registering as a vendor and posting regarding the progress of their tool development.
But you may want to shop around a bit first. Ross-Tech offers a variety of options. Their tools do far more than those costing less and they equal (or beat) those costing far more. If something they sell suits your needs then buy it and be happy. If not, then don't buy it and be happy with that.
he said, tongue firmly planted in his cheek. MS seems to alternate between fail/success. XP was a big success, Vista not very much, Win 7 a big success, Win 8 not as much as Vista. Be interesting to see what Win 9 does.....but heck Vista was a huge success cover XP even without a killer application either. ....
The value in the Ross Tech tool is thier knowledge of VAG protocols, and abilities to keep them researched and current, not necessarily the implementation. Knowing *WHAT* to implement I would estimate at 95% of the work - coding a solution is the easier part . . . And choice of what platforms to support and how are simply that: a choice, and not a hard technical requirement.With all of this highly valuable expert testimony in this thread I hope someone will step up to the plate and make Ross-Tech pay for these perceived offenses against the marketplace.
If they were doing such a poor job at things that are so easy (judging by this thread) then it seems like someone could easily displace them with a better product, better service, and better pricing.
I look forward to a wave of new people registering as a vendor and posting regarding the progress of their tool development.
But you may want to shop around a bit first. Ross-Tech offers a variety of options. Their tools do far more than those costing less and they equal (or beat) those costing far more. If something they sell suits your needs then buy it and be happy. If not, then don't buy it and be happy with that.
You simply implement the timing dependent stuff in the dongle, and walk away from the problem. Granted, not at the same level, but this is what the better OBD tools do - comm and timing are buffered by the dongle hardware.Does Apple even allow you to use a JVM on iOS?
And, there's incompatibilities between different, very close, versions of the Sun/Oracle J2SE JVM, let alone between different vendors of JVMs and Java-like VMs. Especially when you start getting into timing-dependent hardware access.
Thank GOD R-T never went the Java way. Let me say it again.. Thank you.At which point the toolkit essentially becomes your platform and you're forever dependent on whoever made it to stay around and to support future versions of your target OSs, as well as any new OSs that come out and get popular. No thanks. We've been at this for a while (14 years now!) and would like to be around 14 yeas from now, so we looked for the most future-proof approach possible.
Oh, and then there's also the question of being able to do real-time stuff at the car's data-link connector, through somebody else's "tool kit" and a 3rd-party wireless interface? Generic OBD-II isn't very demanding that way, but some of VW's native stuff is.
-Uwe-
Ross-Tech implemented the timing dependent stuff in the dongle, and then used HTTP as the transport, and JavaScript as the client side code.You simply implement the timing dependent stuff in the dongle, and walk away from the problem. Granted, not at the same level, but this is what the better OBD tools do - comm and timing are buffered by the dongle hardware.
You can also embed the JVM you need in your deliverable, and also avoid the problem (at least in regard to Java).
- Tim
I'm not advocating Java, but I do find it hysterical that you bring up security on a stand alone app . . . It's not like Java sucks malware out of thin air.Thank GOD R-T never went the Java way. Let me say it again.. Thank you.
Java is such a nightmare to administer and keep secure. Sure, for developers it's a lay down - you can program in C/C++? You can probably adapt to Java fairly quickly.
However for system administrators it's a nightmare. (BTW.. You are a "system administrator" if you run your own home PC...) Some Java applets are heavily dependent on Java VM version. Oh, you have two apps that require two different versions of the Java VM? Good luck getting them to play well together, or passing a security audit when they see you have Java 5 hanging around. Lets not even talk about all the "Security Updates" Java has been implementing in the latest versions of Java 7. Before a couple of years ago, any Java applet would pretty much run. Now it's so damned locked down that developers have to re-engineer their apps to run with later Java 7 versions or the end user just has to enable a security exception, which completely defeats the purpose of all these "Security enhancements".
Either way, end users are the ones that end up paying either in security holes, or apps that take so much damned effort to run and keep running after Java updates that unless it's absolutely essential people just give up.
The native Windows app is awesome. Lets keep it that way.
There re a few reviews on the Vortex. I think that everyone here is waiting for FedEx to deliver their units. More reviews should start coming in next week.where are the reviews? few people mentioned they ordered already...let's hear the scoop
A service laptop that rarely connects to the internet requires no such nonsense . . .However, it's a pain to keep the standalone app running without messing with Java security settings (sometimes on a global level), reducing security for the rest of the system.
Which means for security reasons that you might as well stick it in a VM.
So, you might as well just make that a Windows VM.
I am not a big Windows fan. However, I must concede that, like it or not, it is the standard business platform unless you are in the the graphics arts business and it is really not as bad as you seem to believe. It powers about 90% of all desktop and laptop personal computers and probably half of all tablets. Do I hate my computer(s)? No, not nearly as much as you appear to hate Windows. This thread is about Ross-Tech's new HEX-NET product and VCDS-Mobile, it is not to debate the strengths of one operating system over another or the ease or difficulty in porting programs to multiple platforms. Ross-Tech went out of their way to create a truly platform independent product. Could it have been done other ways - probably, but that is not the way they chose to go - for many reasons. It is what it is, they are not going to change it to suit you.And why cripple even a VM with WhinDuhs? Do you hate your computer that much?