It's about a 1% risk; hopefully lower for post-2010 TDIs. 1% is large if it were a life-or-death risk, but we are talking car failure and getting stranded at the side of the road here.
Question is how long will vw pickup the cost of the repair?
Stranded on the side of the road can be a life or death risk. Is it likely to happen? No. Does one spend $25-$35k on a new ride, drive it many years to get their money out of it, to have a real possibility of it happen to them? That's a hell of a hit if/when it happens. Think of any other car malady to hit one with an out of warranty vehicle, what is the worst that can happen? A trans? $2-$3k, and then you enjoy a good rebuilt with some kind of warranty for a long time - likely rest of life of vehicle. An engine? $3k, maybe $4k, and you have an entirely brand new engine for what will now be the life of that vehicle. What's the going rate on a complete TDI fuel system replacement? $5k? And when that happens, you have new parts that give you what exactly? What they give you is the exact same chance it'll happen again, plus, zero performance/drivability benefit like a new engine or trans would provide. In everyday car terms, this is about the worst thing going.
Nobody here knows the answer to this question for sure. However, the general consensus is that the free "courtesy" repairs will probably end just as soon as the NHTSA investigation ends. As frustrating as this seemingly endless investigation is; there are reasons to hope it doesn't end soon.
My thoughts exactly.Nobody here knows the answer to this question for sure. However, the general consensus is that the free "courtesy" repairs will probably end just as soon as the NHTSA investigation ends. As frustrating as this seemingly endless investigation is; there are reasons to hope it doesn't end soon.
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Don
I agree with Don. I will also be interested to see how the CP4 behaves in the new EA288 application in the Golf/Jetta platform with DEF and solenoid injectors.Nobody here knows the answer to this question for sure. However, the general consensus is that the free "courtesy" repairs will probably end just as soon as the NHTSA investigation ends. As frustrating as this seemingly endless investigation is; there are reasons to hope it doesn't end soon.
Have Fun!
Don
As you break down,I have to disagree with this. I don't believe every single car will experience a HPFP failure, and that is what you are stating. Even if the total failures is double the reported number, it's still a tiny fraction of the total cars built. Yes, it's terrible to the person that it happens to, but don't claim it will happen to everyone.
Nope, nothing offends me anymore, lol. The point is, its a failure that is fairly common, which we agree to disagree on,OK, I will try to make this polite, please don't take it as something other than that, as it is hard to say this without sounding like I am attacking you (I am not...) BUT
You are reading a car forum; where the absolute worst of any model gets discussed ad nauseum (and this particular forum is worse than most for the chicken little mentality; to which you seem more than willing to contribute ) and taking every single point as gospel.
Stop.
No, seriously; stop.
Take a step back; take a couple deep breaths, and start over.
There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of CR TDIs driving all over the United States and Canada that have never experienced any of these horrible failures. Seriously. One guy here uses his car as a taxi, and has something like 250,000 or more on it. I drive 40,000 miles a year and haven't had any rusting, exploded pumps, destroyed engines from water, or any other world-shattering issue in ~110,000 miles to date.
People come to car forums to find out about problems they may be experiencing, or to complain about problems they have. You will automatically paint the worst picture possible of any car maker by visiting the forums surrounding their cars. That is not the normal operation of the vehicle for 95% to 99% of the owners...
My point is this: Yes, these cars have some issues. No they are not remotely as bad as this forum makes them appear. Is it bad if it happens to you? Sure is, I would hate it as I am sure everyone it has happened to has hated it. But at, realistically, less than 1% of the total CR TDIs sold to date I am willing to take my chances...
Your opinion is noted; and I completely disagree with just about everything you said.
No, the number is not "probably a lot higher;" it is probably a lot lower once you factor in unreported misfuels.
Yeah, it's a bad failure; but it's a man-made, mechanical device. THEY FAIL, sorry.
1-3%% failure rate is not even newsworthy, sorry to say.
No, it is not a question of when; it is barely even a question of if. Again, if you are that afraid of your car sell it.
I've driven mine all over the eastern seaboard from Maine to Florida without a second thought. Never stranded me, never caused me anything beyond savings with my 45-50mpg highway mileage...
Actually, that is exactly what he said: He said every one of them will fail; which is complete crap. That's what "this one WILL leave you stranded and its not a question of if, but when"means; literally...
Once again; drive more, worry less. If you are spending so much time trying to find problems with your car that you don't enjoy your car, then you are doing it wrong.
and for the price of that car, it shouldn't be something that will haunt you. True, there are some cars with high miles but some cars have low miles and had multiple failures. Yes, cars break down, I fix cars for a living but most cars on the road don't have an issue like this. I and others agree that its unacceptable. Also, has said, if VW stops covering warranty, then your shiny new car is now going to cost you another $8 grand to fix, woo hooo.So your making a left turn and the car suffers the HFPF failure and oh look, a big rig is coming towards you, BOOM. Again, cars do fail but as said, this is unnaceptable.
Hi Everyone
Here ya go
Amen to all that.OK, I will try to make this polite, please don't take it as something other than that, as it is hard to say this without sounding like I am attacking you (I am not...) BUT
You are reading a car forum; where the absolute worst of any model gets discussed ad nauseum (and this particular forum is worse than most for the chicken little mentality; to which you seem more than willing to contribute
Stop.
No, seriously; stop.
Take a step back; take a couple deep breaths, and start over.
There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of CR TDIs driving all over the United States and Canada that have never experienced any of these horrible failures. Seriously. One guy here uses his car as a taxi, and has something like 250,000 or more on it. I drive 40,000 miles a year and haven't had any rusting, exploded pumps, destroyed engines from water, or any other world-shattering issue in ~110,000 miles to date.
People come to car forums to find out about problems they may be experiencing, or to complain about problems they have. You will automatically paint the worst picture possible of any car maker by visiting the forums surrounding their cars. That is not the normal operation of the vehicle for 95% to 99% of the owners...
My point is this: Yes, these cars have some issues. No they are not remotely as bad as this forum makes them appear. Is it bad if it happens to you? Sure is, I would hate it as I am sure everyone it has happened to has hated it. But at, realistically, less than 1% of the total CR TDIs sold to date I am willing to take my chances...
Your opinion is noted; and I completely disagree with just about everything you said.
No, the number is not "probably a lot higher;" it is probably a lot lower once you factor in unreported misfuels.
Yeah, it's a bad failure; but it's a man-made, mechanical device. THEY FAIL, sorry.
1-3%% failure rate is not even newsworthy, sorry to say.
No, it is not a question of when; it is barely even a question of if. Again, if you are that afraid of your car sell it.
I've driven mine all over the eastern seaboard from Maine to Florida without a second thought. Never stranded me, never caused me anything beyond savings with my 45-50mpg highway mileage...
Actually, that is exactly what he said: He said every one of them will fail; which is complete crap. That's what "this one WILL leave you stranded and its not a question of if, but when"means; literally...
Once again; drive more, worry less. If you are spending so much time trying to find problems with your car that you don't enjoy your car, then you are doing it wrong.
I don't have one so how can I sell it?
You too, great chatting with you.
Hard numbers with very positive conclusion. I like that in a post.
So true...
I think they already have. That was the excuse for many of the denials for repairs. Problem is I don't think anyone should ship a vehicle to another country or continent that it can't survive in.
No comment I don't operate a multi million dollar company
Is there such a thing?
Funny I think everyone got bored with the way things are and this thread has taken on a life of it's own.
True enough.All long term threads tend to drift off. I would really like to see this one stay on topic though. It could be important to many here when details finally do come out. Kind of like the boy who called wolf every time I click the link.
I agree...but...I am thinking the "new" thread would probably contain a link to the announcement in this thread. and not much else.
FTFY
Especially for those of us who bought 2015 models. But no car is trouble free....my 21 year old son had a nearly new Elantra as a rental car, it developed a Rod knock within a few hundred miles of his picking it up.
