From the NHTSA document, VW mostly blames most cases on gasoline contaminated diesel fuel, but also states that:
Volkswagen implemented design changes for the HPFP in May 2008, September 2009 and November 2010 to improve the robustness of the pump when used with poor quality fuel.
If 90% really are from using gasoline, then the failure rate might be 0.01%, or 1/10,000 for folks that are sure to only use diesel. I'm just doing some wishful thinking with this, not trying to be a jerk.According to the NHTSA document,
For 2009 the number is 0.53% (roughly 1 in 200)
For 2010 the number is 0.11% (roughly 1 in 1000) (not 0.01% which would be 1 in 10,000)
Last pump update was November, 2010, according to the NHTSA report.I had a feeling that design changes (or at least improvements in quality control at bosch) were underway.
I bought my car in May last year (full tax credit!!), but I wonder if it got one of the last, most recent fuel pumps? I would like to know manufacture dates for the last HPFP version, and check it against my engine build date.
VW's 90% number is pure bulls%$t, as far as I'm concerned.If 90% really are from using gasoline, then the failure rate might be 0.01%, or 1/10,000 for folks that are sure to only use diesel.
I do wish I had a car with the November 2010 upgraded pump. I guess my car only has 2 of the updates. It would be nice to now what they did to improve the pump. Honestly, I wish they would just come up with soemthing to prevent the debris from contaminating the fuel system. Then it would just be a new pump for a few hundred bucks.
I have actually from the start felt the 09,10, MY (and to project the 2011) would make GOOD used cars. However with the sword of the HPFP issue dangling overhead, that would rate @ least a healthy skeptical wait and see. It would be interesting now to see if (used) prices continue to slide, firm up, or strengthen, to going UP.So now I would feel confident buying someone's 09' TDI at a bargain. I know some folks were dumping them, ranting on this site about how they felt outrage (I am sympathetic). Get an '09 prefailure Jetta or Golf at substantial discount, install one of the new pumps, and sail on!!!
Yes! Maybe I should look for a used 2.0 CR Golf 6MT now?
Not only that, but how many of those "50" where infamous coke or styrofoam tests? I don't know what kind of samples/data NHTSA demanded but I would be curious to know what the data integrity was of the "fuel tests".Although VW claims that 90% of the failures are "fuel-related", VW only submitted results to NHTSA for 50 actual fuel tests, and 20 of those tests were from the dealer service area adding gasoline to a TDI!
So, VW actually has some evidence of contamination by an owner for only 30 out of the 160 reported failures, or less than 20% of the failures.
The rest of the failures don't have any evidence to back up VW's claims of mis-fueling.
The $10k figure (or thereabouts) isn't VW's cost, its the retail cost that the customer pays. Totally spitballing here, I'd guess VW's cost is probably closer to $4k... But then you get dealer fees, documentation fees, destination fees, prep fees, part washing fees, seal overhaul fees, phone answering fees, surly mechanic attitude adjustment fees, etc.I have heard that the cost to fix it if everything has gone wrong is over $10,000. I am a little skeptical here. The entire car cannot have a much higher production cost than perhaps $15,000. How could replacing even the entire engine cost $10K???