lugnuts / lugbolts

nodor

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I just picked up some winter tires and wheels for my 2004 TDI Jetta and the guy at the tire place said I will need to but a lugnut conversion kit that will replace the lug bolts for the new wheels to work. Is this the case? Or will the lug bolts be just fine?
 

Scubanero

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I just did the same for my 05 Passat. The wheels came with a new set of bolts. The problem will be a) wrong taper on the seat and possibly b) not enough clearance to get a wrench in.
 

nodor

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Well I know there will be no prob for wrench. I guess I will look at the conversion kit today while I am there.
 

Birdman

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I just bought a set of stock Steel wheels for my 01 and it takes the same bolt as the 06 according to the parts manual b 8D0 601 139 D, I know that the avus wheels that came on the car use the same bolt or very close because my old wheel locks fit the steel wheels.
 

20IndigoBlue02

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nodor said:
I just picked up some winter tires and wheels for my 2004 TDI Jetta and the guy at the tire place said I will need to but a lugnut conversion kit that will replace the lug bolts for the new wheels to work. Is this the case? Or will the lug bolts be just fine?
Lug bolts are fine. If the wheels are aftermarket, you may need new lug bolts with a cone seat (OEM ones are ball seat).

A lugnut conversion kit isn't really necessary-- I believe the guy is suckering you for more money.

A lug nut conversion is fine for racers as time is precious during service stops.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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There are two types of lug bolts (that I know of, anyway). Ball bolts fit steel wheels, cone bolts fit alloys. It's important to use the correct ones. I have different bolts for summer alloys than winter steelies.

And for swapping tires the Metalnerd tool is a big help.
 

BugBug

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I used these on my 2001 NB with aftermarket rims that have a tight fit. The socket fits perfectly.
 

Syndicate

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IndigoBlueWagon said:
There are two types of lug bolts (that I know of, anyway). Ball bolts fit steel wheels, cone bolts fit alloys. It's important to use the correct ones. I have different bolts for summer alloys than winter steelies.

And for swapping tires the Metalnerd tool is a big help.
hmm I didint know that.
 

20IndigoBlue02

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IndigoBlueWagon said:
There are two types of lug bolts (that I know of, anyway). Ball bolts fit steel wheels, cone bolts fit alloys. It's important to use the correct ones. I have different bolts for summer alloys than winter steelies.

And for swapping tires the Metalnerd tool is a big help.
Funny.. my car came with Avus alloy wheels and it uses ball seat lug bolts.

MKIV's uses from the factory, ball seat lug bolts. It does not matter if it has steel wheels or alloy wheels. Same exact bolt.

When you buy Aftermarket alloy wheels, they are usually cone seat.
 

TomatoPie

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Needing to fix a flat on my 2005 Passat, I ran into the locking lug nuts. What a PITA! I had the dealer replace all four with conventional lug nuts.
 

nodor

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Well I got a set of these from Les Schwab tires.







I put the winter steel wheels on and then drove my regular route to work. (140 miles round trip). The vibration was horrible. When I got home I decied I was going to take them off as it was just not right. When I took the wheels off I was able to un-screw at least 2 of these conversion bolts by hand on each wheel. When I put them in I made sure to tighten them down. Well the two came out by hand and the other three came out with little effort at all. I have put my regular wheels back on and I guess will just run them for the winter. I would suggest to not use these or the like at all. Totally unsafe in my opinion.
 

Drivbiwire

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Stick with lug BOLTS and stay away from the nuts... :D

I have a set of lug BOLTS for my steel wheels, so far so good never an issue.

DB
 

jasonTDI

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Agree....the bolt/nut conversion sucks and are unsafe. I've seen many back out. They need to be installed correctly and CHECKED. If you can't/won't do that stay away from them. That would be 99% of the driving population.
 
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