Jettawolfs98
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
Thanks for the info, I'll check with my parts dealer.
Thanks for the info, I'll check with my parts dealer.
OEM Steel Oil Pan cover for 2004 PD
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dieseldorf
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Lito, this is a great find on your part...Thanks for getting all the info together! I just noticed it for the first time today.
Lito, this is a great find on your part...Thanks for getting all the info together! I just noticed it for the first time today.
Slave2school
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
A word fromt he wise, use some lock tight on the bolts, mine vibrated loose after about 6 months and left me thinking I blew something up when it was held on by one bolt vibrating away under the car....what a relief it was to find out it just lost a couple bolts (which are now an interference fit hexagonal head that mashes up agains the edge of the steel cover).
A word fromt he wise, use some lock tight on the bolts, mine vibrated loose after about 6 months and left me thinking I blew something up when it was held on by one bolt vibrating away under the car....what a relief it was to find out it just lost a couple bolts (which are now an interference fit hexagonal head that mashes up agains the edge of the steel cover).
tongsli
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I just got the grommets and plastic rivets. Looks like they'll work fine. Don't know if I will install them or keep my nut and bolt combination since I know they're holding very well.
L
I just got the grommets and plastic rivets. Looks like they'll work fine. Don't know if I will install them or keep my nut and bolt combination since I know they're holding very well.
L
jddaigle
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
I remember a thread on those on the Vortex a while back. IIRC they were found on Mexican-market 2004 models. Probably to deal with the rougher road conditions down there, thought I'm sure many of us northern North Americans would appreciate it, too!
unixb0y
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Apparently, from time to time, the rivets fall out and cause the pan protector to vibrate. I bought an extra two of them, jusr in case i loose the rivet.
ymz
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
Can't help with whether it'll fit your car, but you could always ask Brian Harrison if he can get a better price than your dealer (there wouldn't be any PST, which will help make up for the shipping charges)
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/roseland/
Yuri.
Can't help with whether it'll fit your car, but you could always ask Brian Harrison if he can get a better price than your dealer (there wouldn't be any PST, which will help make up for the shipping charges)
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/roseland/
Yuri.
karlkoenig
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
Will this fit on a 2001 vr6?
Will this fit on a 2001 vr6?
mwalters
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
The skid plate that DG sells is an OEM piece. It is sold in Europe as a "rough road" item. DG puts it toegether with all the rivnuts, rivnut tool and other sundry hardware you need to do a complete install. Pricey, but worth it IMHO. I have one - after a holed oil pan!
The skid plate that DG sells is an OEM piece. It is sold in Europe as a "rough road" item. DG puts it toegether with all the rivnuts, rivnut tool and other sundry hardware you need to do a complete install. Pricey, but worth it IMHO. I have one - after a holed oil pan!
tongsli
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=722757&an=0&page=0#722757
This thead is about the OEM Steel Oil Pan Cover, not the skid plate.
Thanks, but it's been well established that this is the case. It's on the related thread:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=722757&an=0&page=0#722757
This thead is about the OEM Steel Oil Pan Cover, not the skid plate.
Lugnut
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OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
Looks great. I have changed my own oil in everything for decades, but I have never had one give me so much trouble as this 04 Jetta Diesel. The plastic shrouding is immense, with more connectors than I have counted thus far. I wonder if you have permanently removed all of this apparatus? I would love to have access to the drain bolt. Any thoughts on whether all iof the shroud is necessary. I typically defer to the engineers believing it wouldn't be there unless they thought it had to be. Thanks.
Looks great. I have changed my own oil in everything for decades, but I have never had one give me so much trouble as this 04 Jetta Diesel. The plastic shrouding is immense, with more connectors than I have counted thus far. I wonder if you have permanently removed all of this apparatus? I would love to have access to the drain bolt. Any thoughts on whether all iof the shroud is necessary. I typically defer to the engineers believing it wouldn't be there unless they thought it had to be. Thanks.
tongsli
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I was thinking abou this as well during my first oil change and while installing my wife's Standheizung.
If you didn't know, many people ripped off their front bumper skins because of the lower valance catching on curbs or concrete stops.
This design is probably a reaction to all the messed up front bumpers and lower valances.
It also does do a better job of closing up all the holes underneath that the older design left open.
I was thinking abou this as well during my first oil change and while installing my wife's Standheizung.
If you didn't know, many people ripped off their front bumper skins because of the lower valance catching on curbs or concrete stops.
This design is probably a reaction to all the messed up front bumpers and lower valances.
It also does do a better job of closing up all the holes underneath that the older design left open.
Lugnut
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
Thanks. Makes sense. Basically, I start removing fasteners and get pretty far along. Then, I get toward the bumper, and find that many more further up need to be removed. It appears I have to take off more plastic to take off the plastic. So, I literally bent down that part of the shroud which was loose and ran the oil through a piece of sheet metal I bent to act as a funnel. Not pretty, but it worked.
On one occasion, I was in Columbus, GA on business and, knowing I needed an oil change, carried my filter with me along with my Motul oil from the ImpexFap folks. I pulled into the local VW dealer and asked how much for an oil change if I provided the filter and the oil. The answer was a pleasing $15. However, I failed to spy on the mechanic doing the change to see how he overcame this shroud problem that I have invented. So, I think I will repeat the process and this time hang around the car and ask dumb questions.
One thought - I see in Wal-Mart these Fram Oil change hoses that replace the existing drain plug. Don't know if they have one for the Jetta TDI - but I will check. I can see a convenient hole being cut in the shroud to allow for the protrusion of the hose during changes. It could work.
Thanks. Makes sense. Basically, I start removing fasteners and get pretty far along. Then, I get toward the bumper, and find that many more further up need to be removed. It appears I have to take off more plastic to take off the plastic. So, I literally bent down that part of the shroud which was loose and ran the oil through a piece of sheet metal I bent to act as a funnel. Not pretty, but it worked.
On one occasion, I was in Columbus, GA on business and, knowing I needed an oil change, carried my filter with me along with my Motul oil from the ImpexFap folks. I pulled into the local VW dealer and asked how much for an oil change if I provided the filter and the oil. The answer was a pleasing $15. However, I failed to spy on the mechanic doing the change to see how he overcame this shroud problem that I have invented. So, I think I will repeat the process and this time hang around the car and ask dumb questions.
One thought - I see in Wal-Mart these Fram Oil change hoses that replace the existing drain plug. Don't know if they have one for the Jetta TDI - but I will check. I can see a convenient hole being cut in the shroud to allow for the protrusion of the hose during changes. It could work.
jettafock
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Well I am thinking of putting one on my 04 jetta, but have a question first. I know that people are putting dynamat extreme on their skidplates before installing them. If I was to put some on this oil pan protector, would it make any difference?
Dan
Well I am thinking of putting one on my 04 jetta, but have a question first. I know that people are putting dynamat extreme on their skidplates before installing them. If I was to put some on this oil pan protector, would it make any difference?
Dan
Lugnut
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
UPDATE - I have visited the FRAM site and there is no "Suredrain" product for the Jetta Diesel. I have called customer service and requested that the product be produced. Do I think they will listen? Stranger things have happened.
UPDATE - I have visited the FRAM site and there is no "Suredrain" product for the Jetta Diesel. I have called customer service and requested that the product be produced. Do I think they will listen? Stranger things have happened.
tongsli
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Dan,
If your doing it for sound, I wouldn't bother. It doesn't really need it.
L
Dan,
If your doing it for sound, I wouldn't bother. It doesn't really need it.
L
OKAaron
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Make sure and get the plastic fasteners and modify the plate at the AC compressor. Mine was a PITA to get on and I had bought the 4 hex bolts listed above.
Make sure and get the plastic fasteners and modify the plate at the AC compressor. Mine was a PITA to get on and I had bought the 4 hex bolts listed above.
tongsli
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Can you please tell us what modifications were necessary? I didn't have to trim or modify anything.
I think this is the veiw towards the AC Compressor you're talking about, right? That's the compressor bracket on the left-side(of the picture). The tranny is on the right.
Fit like a gove.
Lito
Can you please tell us what modifications were necessary? I didn't have to trim or modify anything.
I think this is the veiw towards the AC Compressor you're talking about, right? That's the compressor bracket on the left-side(of the picture). The tranny is on the right.
Fit like a gove.
Lito
OKAaron
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Mine looks a little different for my 2002 5 speed wagon. I haven't made the modifications, but I had to force the pan around the compressor after I struggled to get the pan to fit snug. Now after only 4 days it is rattling, but I don't know where. When I get some time to crawl back under I'll give an update. Scroll down off of this thread and they talk about it.
Previous Oil Pan Cover Thread
Mine looks a little different for my 2002 5 speed wagon. I haven't made the modifications, but I had to force the pan around the compressor after I struggled to get the pan to fit snug. Now after only 4 days it is rattling, but I don't know where. When I get some time to crawl back under I'll give an update. Scroll down off of this thread and they talk about it.
Previous Oil Pan Cover Thread
Old Navy
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I tried one once and threw threw the thing away and went back to FUMOTO Oil Drain Valve. FUMOTO Oil Drain Valve
I have driven both I-95 & I-70 and I-70 has got to be the worst interstate in the country, probably due to both the weather and the fact it is the main east/west route for the big rigs.
tongsli
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Is your oil pan cover suffix AB? Is there a chance the oil pan cover has changed? I'd like to hear from others that might try it on an older car.
I can say for sure, it'll fit the 2004 Jetta Wagon based upon my install.
L
So, based upon your experience, the 2002's are not the same as the 2004's?
Is your oil pan cover suffix AB? Is there a chance the oil pan cover has changed? I'd like to hear from others that might try it on an older car.
I can say for sure, it'll fit the 2004 Jetta Wagon based upon my install.
L
volmaniac
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my 2002 golf gls 5-speed has the same interference problem with the ac compressor. i took a digital picture and will post it as soon as i can.
my 2002 golf gls 5-speed has the same interference problem with the ac compressor. i took a digital picture and will post it as soon as i can.
tongsli
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Thanks for the info. I'm checking into the AC compressor mounting bracket part numbers for gas, diesel and the PD engine now. Will post findings.
*Update:
It looks like the part numbers for the Gas and TDI-PD Ac compressor are very similar. The regular TDI compressor bracket number is totally different.
THEREFORE, I can only safely say that this oil pan protector cover will only fit the 2004 TDI-PD's and Gassers WITHOUT any modification!
It can be trimmed to fit around the TDI-non PD, as the mounting holes are the same.
Lito
Thanks for the info. I'm checking into the AC compressor mounting bracket part numbers for gas, diesel and the PD engine now. Will post findings.
*Update:
It looks like the part numbers for the Gas and TDI-PD Ac compressor are very similar. The regular TDI compressor bracket number is totally different.
THEREFORE, I can only safely say that this oil pan protector cover will only fit the 2004 TDI-PD's and Gassers WITHOUT any modification!
It can be trimmed to fit around the TDI-non PD, as the mounting holes are the same.
Lito
volmaniac
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
nice detective work on the bracket parts, lito! i was going nuts figuring out how i screwed up putting in those two bolts
this is still a great mod imho.
nice detective work on the bracket parts, lito! i was going nuts figuring out how i screwed up putting in those two bolts
this is still a great mod imho.
tongsli
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Aaron, could you please post a picture of how much trimming is necessary?
Volmaniac, maybe we can get some pictures of the PD vs non-PD AC compressor bracket.
I'll work on that.
Lito
Aaron, could you please post a picture of how much trimming is necessary?
Volmaniac, maybe we can get some pictures of the PD vs non-PD AC compressor bracket.
I'll work on that.
Lito
PDJetta
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Re: OEM Steel Oil Pan protection cover
I just saw a VW technical bulliten for this. The TSB is for installing this pan. It states to install this pan in place of pans damaged from road debris impacts and other damage "not covered by the vehicle warranty". Its called the "Hybrid Oil Pan" and its for 1999.5 to 2004 MY vehicles. Part # 1JM 198 601 AA is for the 1.8 L and part # 1JM 198 601 T is for the 2.0 L
I guess they are just specified for the gas engines. There is no listing for the 1.9 L TDI. The TSB States Hybrid pans consist of a two-piece aluminum/steel assembly. The pic looks like the one that is posted on this thread.
--Nate
I just saw a VW technical bulliten for this. The TSB is for installing this pan. It states to install this pan in place of pans damaged from road debris impacts and other damage "not covered by the vehicle warranty". Its called the "Hybrid Oil Pan" and its for 1999.5 to 2004 MY vehicles. Part # 1JM 198 601 AA is for the 1.8 L and part # 1JM 198 601 T is for the 2.0 L
--Nate
alhutch
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After a few e-mails back and forth with Jerry @ Impex, we came to the conclusion this isn't a bolt-on mod for 1.8T cars either (at least my '01 1.8T, engine code AWD).
Just FYI.
Al
To add another data point, 'gasser' really only means the 2.0. The 1.8T has an oil return line from the turbo that goes into the back of the oil pan between the oil level sensor relief & drain plug.
After a few e-mails back and forth with Jerry @ Impex, we came to the conclusion this isn't a bolt-on mod for 1.8T cars either (at least my '01 1.8T, engine code AWD).
Just FYI.
Al
vwdsmguy
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I just installed the steel protective cover on my '02 Golf TDI. It did not just bolt on. There is a clearance problem on my car between the rt. ft. of the cover and the AC compressor. I had to bend back the front edge for about 6" to clear the compressor. I also covered the inside of the cover with insulation foam hoping to quiet noise coming out thru the oil pan.
I just installed the steel protective cover on my '02 Golf TDI. It did not just bolt on. There is a clearance problem on my car between the rt. ft. of the cover and the AC compressor. I had to bend back the front edge for about 6" to clear the compressor. I also covered the inside of the cover with insulation foam hoping to quiet noise coming out thru the oil pan.
tongsli
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Did you take any pictures?
L
Yes, it's been established that the Non-PD's AC compressor bracket is different from the PD's Compressor bracket. Did you see my post?
Trimming is necessary on all NON-PD TDI's. If you notice, I've changed the title of the thread. It now reads:
I'm going to try and see if I can mark and measure the oil pan for the regular TDI's.
Did you take any pictures?
L