Block heater

gilles_o

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I have the New Jetta TDI. The normal heater for a car is an electric heater in the
block water circuit. The dealer has a pad heater glue to the oil pan. I don`t like a
unit just glue to the pan. Is it possible to install an electric immersion heater in the hose of the car heater for warming the engine during the cold temperature? "
 

richard

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Hi Gilles,

I think no heater exist for a Tdi block, and
for the one glue under the car my dealer say
it was a fire hasard so i am still
looking for a solution....

Richard Golf 2001 Tdi 33,000 km
 

SoTxBill

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its not the base, its the additives!!
TDI
13 passatdsg 10 jetdsg, 09 jetdsg, 2006 jetdsg, 2001Jet, 96passat, 86jet, 81 jet, 78pickup all vw diesel.
there are several coolant heaters availble..

some attach to the water hoses, some attach to the block with a magnet, some replace a freeze plug... all of which are very inexpensive and work very well.

try farm catalogs for universal models... they cost 9 to 25 dollars ..
 

mike

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2015 Q5 Tdi, RIP 2003 Jetta GLS 5sp
the oil pan heater is OEM vw from www.engineheaters.com. Model 512 is about
$50 USD. I've got this model on my Tdi.
No fire hazard if installed and used properly
 

RC

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Two White 96 B4 Wagons
This was sent to me by a fellow Fred`s TDIer. Sorry for the length but I think it is quite informative.


Ron:

I believe my post is on the second page of the "General Maintenance" section
this week, it was posted two weeks ago. Regardless, I am including it
below. Removing the leftward-most frost plug is the hardest part of the
job, it's difficult to tap out with a hammer. But once correctly installed,
you'll wonder how you did without it- truly saves fuel and battery/starter
power and strain when cold. Plugging it into a suitably watted pool timer
from Intermatic and having it go on 4 hours before starting up saves your
electric costs as well. This worked like a charm.

Regards,
-Jim

Block Heater Selection and Installation- 96-97 Passat TDI, by Jim Dolan, JD

Since block heater information has been frequently requested on the site, I
have prepared the following to provide others with information needed to
successfully select and install block heaters. My TDI is a 1996 Passat, so
the information I provide may have to be modified for those who own Jetta
and Golf A3's equipped with the TDI engine. If you have an A4, these
instructions will likely be useless. An entrepreneur from Minnesota has
apparently designed a recirculating coolant heater which installs into a
radiator hose for the A4's. Information is posted elsewhere on www.tdiclub.com <http://www.tdiclub.com/> .

A Disclaimer: Car Maintenance And Repair May Be Dangerous! Should you follow
the instructions below, you elect to do so with the knowledge that their
author is not a professionally trained, licensed, or certified mechanic by
any private or governmental regulatory body. You also understand that the
author provided these instructions for distribution on
<http://www.tdiclub.com/> www.tdiclub.com without expectation of
compensation and such distribution was motivated only by and for educational
purposes. In short, what you do with the information is your own call to
make and thus entirely at your own risk!


I. Selecting a Block Heater

Of the various companies producing aftermarket VW block heaters,
certain constants may be observed which should be noted when selecting a
unit.

Size of Block Heater

The frost plug holes measure 36.5 millimeters, and as such you must
obtain a heater having this outside diameter to seal the hole properly.


A. Part Numbers

Two manufacturers seem to be the most popular, Zerostart and Kats.
Both of these units appear to be widely available. I used a Zerostart
product purchased at a local NAPA store. The NAPA part number on this block
heater was 605-3230, and it measured exactly 36.5 millimeters in diameter.
It is a Zerostart product according to the instructions, and because it fits
the same VW and Audi vehicles listed in Zerostart's 2000 catalogue, one can
safely assume it is also Zerostart part number 3100034. As will be seen
below, I had absolutely no problems getting this unit to fit securely into
the 36.5mm Left Rear (LR) frost plug hole.


B. Pick a Hole, Any Hole. . .Well Almost!

The primary difficulty with installing a block heater in the TDI
concerns where the frost plugs are located. The side of the engine closest
to the radiator has absolutely no frost plugs whatsoever. A quick removal of
the engine compartment under cover (if so equipped) and under-engine
examination will reveal that the engine has three frost plugs, all located
on the backside of the engine about 6 to 8 inches from the firewall (rear of
the engine compartment). Assuming you will be on your back staring up at the
rear of the engine block (with your feet protruding from under the front
bumper), you will see three frost plugs. All of these are somewhat
obstructed.

The plug on the far right is not a candidate for removal, as it is
located behind the turbocharger and would be impossible to remove. The
Zerostart Installation Guide recommends removing either the center or left
hand frost plugs. While the center plug could be used, it is located quite
close to the vacuum actuator control rod for the GT-15 turbocharger on this
car and as such, might be a bit too close to either the intense heat of the
turbocharger, the vacuum actuator control rod's movement, or both.
Furthermore, removal of this center plug is made difficult by having the
right hand CV drive shaft obstructing the use of any tools to remove the
plug. It is alleged that the right hand CV drive shaft must be removed to
install the block heater in this center hole, although I read of one person
on www.tdiclub.com <http://www.tdiclub.com/> who was able to do so without
removing the shaft. Thus, the appropriate candidate for removal was the Left
hand plug, based on its relative ease of removal.


II. Preparing for Installation

A. Securely Support Front of Car on Jackstands or Ramps!

Everybody is aware how low these TDI's sit to the ground, although I
believe the 96-97 Passat has a bit more ground clearance than the Golf or
Jetta. It goes without saying that you should use ramps or jack stands to
support the car and give you some quality working room. Of course, if you
have access to a vehicle hydraulic lift you would certainly find this
beneficial. I placed two jackstands at the rear of the "H" cradle that
suspends the suspension and engine compartment. Whatever you do, make sure
the vehicle is securely supported on a firm surface (i.e. cement pad), and
if you have any doubt, DO NOT crawl underneath it! Last time I checked the
statute, improper vehicle support was not a defense against enforcement of
the laws of gravity.


B. Remove Engine Under Cover

If this hasn't been done already, undoing the three bolts at the
rear of the cover and two on each side (or whatever configuration your car
has) and swinging the cover down from the front tab mounts will remove the
cover.


C. Drain Engine Coolant

This is an unpleasant job, made more difficult by the fact that the
car has no radiator drain or block drain to make removal of the coolant
easy. Before beginning, remove the cap from the expansion tank, turn the
heater controls on high, and obtain a plastic drain pan of about 2-2.5
gallon capacity (8-9 liters). Find the water pump. There is an elbow-shaped
plastic fitting that returns coolant to the radiator. Remove the little
spring clip that holds the elbow to the water pump and slowly pull the elbow
from the pump fitting. You may need to wiggle this fitting or use a
screwdriver or similar tool to separate it from the pump. Take care that you
do not break the plastic. When it is pulled off of the pump, a torrent of
red antifreeze will pour into the drain pan. I found that removing the upper
heater core hose on the firewall of the engine helped relieve any air
locking to drain more coolant and made refilling the block and head easier.


D. Familiarize Yourself with the Engine Compartment Layout

As discussed above under Roman numeral I, section C, infra have a
good look around your engine from the rear, and decide which of the two
holes would be easiest to remove with the least amount of hassle. For my
money and time (and yours, I would strongly argue), removal of the LR (left
rear) plug is easiest. Visualize how you would go about removing the frost
plug, installing the block heater into the hole, and routing of the power
cord, etc. Think before you swing!


III. Installation Procedure

A. Removal of Frost Plug

This is undoubtedly the most unpleasant part of this job. With my
full permission to laugh, it took about three hours for this shade-tree
mechanic to remove the plug based on the tools I had available and the
obstructions needed to work around. I imagine there is a perfect combination
of tools available, but as this is generally a one-time job I am unable to
provide any advice as to what the exact combination might be. Take a good
long look at the obstructions that exist while you are under the car and you
will understand what I'm saying.

You will have to have something sufficiently long enough and angled
enough to exert enough force on the frost plug to cause it to pop out of the
hole and remove it from the block with pliers. The following is what I used
to accomplish this:

1. One Sears Craftsman Mechanics Prybar, with a 10 degree angled
bend

2. One 10" long 3/8" drive socket extension coupled with a deepwall
socket over the conical end of the prybar.

3. One 24 Ounce (1.5 pound/3.3 kilogram) maul or hammer.

Of course, you could probably find something else to finagle the
obstructions better than what I have described above. Use whatever works
when applying reasonable force with the maul/hammer. Make sure that the
tools selected allow you to remove the frost plug without knocking it into
the engine as removal from the water jacket would be extremely difficult due
to the holes obstructed location. I used the prybar by working it back and
forth among the obstructions and applying direct force to the plug by
striking the end of the prybar/socket extension with the maul. It took a
great deal of effort but as I said, it does pop out eventually. During the
course of this work you will likely put a hole into the frost plug. When
this happens, be prepared for a small torrent of G-12 antifreeze to come out
of the hole, and have a small plastic pail to catch as much of this as
possible. Once you have bent the plug enough it will not fit securely within
the circumference of the hole and will start to move. Do not knock this into
the engine block, just gently pry on it a bit with a drift and see if you
can wiggle part of it out of the hole. I used a really small channel lock
pliers to pull/pry it from the block.

Take care to wash off any splashed antifreeze/coolant from your
body- it's neither particularly pleasant nor healthy to have on you.


B. Install Block Heater Into Engine Block

Use a small magnet on a string or a telescoping magnet antenna tool
for removing all metal chips and or flashing from the inside of the hole. I
had several small chips, which were all removed from beneath the hole inside
of the block water passages. It helps if you wrap the telescoping magnet in
plastic wrap as you can easily take the plastic off and throw the plastic
and metal chips away without re-introducing these in the engine. Use the
magnet inside the block two times to remove the chips.

Next, take a clean shop towel or paper towel and put some lacquer
thinner or other similar solvent and wipe the inside of the hole surface
completely out. Take the block heater, remove the O-ring supplied with it
and place a bead of silicone spark plug boot grease on the groove the O-ring
fits around. Do not use a petroleum-based grease, as it will eat the rubber.
Put a bit of this grease on your finger and place a coating of it inside the
empty frost plug hole. Place the block heater securely inside of the hole
with the element facing upwards at the 6 O'clock position. It should fit a
little snugly into the block, you will feel a bit of resistance at first but
it will "pop" into place.

Take a 5/16" or 7mm socket and begin tightening the screw securing
the heater in place. The accompanying literature supplied with the block
heater suggests that this bolt should be tightened to a torque of 2.5-3
Newton-Meters or 20-25 inch-pounds, but I defy anybody to use a torque
wrench in such tight quarters. When I felt resistance different from that I
originally felt after awhile, I simply put another 1.5 to 2 additional turns
on this bolt. If you cannot move the metal block heater housing from the
engine block, you have it just right.


C. Routing of Block Heater Cord

I routed the heater cord by threading the smaller plug for the block
heater through the grille first, up and around the side and back of the
battery in the engine compartment, across the expansion tank to engine
antifreeze return line, and then plugging the cord into the block heater.
Secure the cord to the coolant return line with a zip tie where it connects
with the metal support bracket and union for the heater core return lines,
taking care to ensure sufficient tautness. Use another zip tie to secure the
cord to the battery bracket before the cord goes around the rear of the
battery. In any event, make sure that the power cord is adequately suspended
above and away from the various cables and levers for actuating the
gearshift, which are directly below the cord.


IV. Post Installation

A. Reconnect Opened Coolant Fittings
B. Refill Block
C. Refill Expansion Tank
D. Start Engine
E. Add Coolant Via Expansion Tank
F. Check For Leaks


V. Advantages

Upon October 2000 installation here in Northern Minnesota, I tested
the block heater by plugging in the heater on an evening when the mercury
reached 15 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. The yellow preheat light came on
for about 1 second if that, and the car started right up without the usual
puff of smoke. The car also warms up a great deal quicker than normal, thus
making a block heater an prime candidate for winter days where your car is
only driven on short distance errands that ordinarily do not sufficiently
warm the engine to operating temperature. I also hazard to guess that use of
the block heater also prolongs the life of your TDI's glow plugs, since
these are used only when absolutely necessary during the winter. Lastly,
because these cars have an oil cooler/heat exchanger which uses the coolant
to regulate the temperature of the oil, it follows that the use of the block
heater should assist in warming up that synthetic 5W-30 or 5W-40 in the
crankcase.

In my experience, the car may be plugged in 3-4 hours before startup
before the upper radiator hose will be warm to the touch (about 70-80
degrees Fahrenheit or so). At home, I placed my block heater on a timer such
that it comes on for three hours before the morning commute and three hours
in the late evening at the end of the workday. You can select timers which
allow you to increase the number of on/off periods throughout the day to
take into account your own schedule.

That's all folks. . . best wishes!
 

A. Meyer

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Location
Chapel Hill, NC
I installed the ProHeat 512, 250 watts on a 2002 Jetta TDI. It consumed all of 15 minutes time for the installation. According to the manufacturer, this is the same device sold by VW and approved by the FAA (with a thrmostat).
The issue of it being a fire hazard is curious since there are no combustibles above or to the side of it. The engine cover below is below it. Is the cove the fire hazard? You would think VW considered this. My cat used to sleep under my wood burning stove with a roaring fire and never even had a singed hair. Does anyone know of fires being started by this device?
The pad does get hot. My only question is whether it heats the oil to too high a temperature and exceeds the oil's high temp rating.
 

OffTheFence

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Chicago IL USA
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Jetta, 2000, Canyon Red
Andy: I don't think you have to worry about that little stick-on pan heater exceeding the temp ability of any oil. Some reports here say that on the really cold days, the oil gets only barely warm to the touch. I still think that's an excellent advantage with a bitterly cold engine, even with synth oil.

I have the stick-on heater on my '00 Jetta TDI but have not lived with it through one full winter yet.

The previous pan heater, which I had briefly, was a potentially scary one. It was a bolt-on metal design; the heating plate looked sort of like the bottom of a clothes iron. Mine fell off its bracket and came to rest on the plastic underbelly shield. Not knowing this, I plugged it into the timer and came out the next morning thinking my car was on fire. It melted its way through the plastic shield and lay sizzling on my wet garage floor with stinking, smoldering plastic stuck to it. Wow. I think that's why the new styule stick-on pad was introduced.

Anthony

[ October 10, 2001: Message edited by: OffTheFence ]
 

CoolWhiteDude

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Elburn,Il,USA
TDI
Jetta GL, 1999, Cool White
I put a glue on type of oil pan heater I bought from Farm & Fleet. Took about 15 minutes to install. I also put a similar type of heater(same manufacturer) on the battery. They only draw 180 watts and 90 watts. I park in a unheated garage but it is attached to my house so it never gets really cold. I haven't used them yet as we have had mild winters the past 2 years. I fastened a heat reflective pad on the lower engine cover directly under the oil pan heater so I don't think there would be any fire hazzard even if the glue gave way and the pad fell on the cover, plus it only draws 180 watts.
 

Hondo

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Hastings, MI
Andy, I got the same one you have and we have 2 other guys here in MI running them on their cars with good results. You don’t have anything to worry about. Antony is right, it the old style ones that you heard reports of problems with. I think that’s why VW switched to the stick on ones. I have 2 of them one on my tractor and one on my car. I have had a few of the block water heaters and they are nicer but for the few minutes it takes to put the stick-on one on and it price they aren’t all bad. My garage is in a walk out basement so it stays fairly warm. But when I run the pan heater I get heat coming from the car a lot faster. I have mined plugged into a timer and it comes on 2 hours before I start the car. The oil is always Luke warm to the touch in the morning, which IMHO is a big advantage to getting heat a lot quicker on those cold mornings. It sure doesn’t hurt the engine any to get nice warm oil at startup. If my car was parked outside in –10F or below I think I would increase the warm up time to at least 3-3.5 hours.
Hondo
 

A. Meyer

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Thanks for the good reports on the oil pan heater. I tried mine the other morning when it was 33F and the engine heated up in much less time. I'm looking forward to colder weather.
 

JoeDiesel

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Michigan USA
An entrepreneur from Minnesota has
apparently designed a recirculating coolant heater which installs into a
radiator hose for the A4's. Information is posted elsewhere on www.tdiclub.com.


I searched for that with no results, anyone know where I could pick up one of these units? The oil pan heater helps it start easier but I still freeze for 15 min while its warming up.
 

professor

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The fire hazard is when the glue fails, and the heater falls to the plastic underpan, and can no longer disipate its heat to the block. I installed the VW bolt on heater last year, and it is too feable to help with warm-up, but car starts well. The only other option is to put a pumping heater in the heater line to warm the block. ~600 watts would be good.
 

Vanigh

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Montreal. Canada
TDI
JETTA TDI 2010 Navy Blue 6 Speed Manual
Hi Gilles

I asked my Volks, dealer if a block heater is really necessary in the winter, they said no the TDI starts pretty easy up to -20 should not give you any problems.
 

richard

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vanigh:
Hi Gilles

I asked my Volks, dealer if a block heater is really necessary in the winter, they said no the TDI starts pretty easy up to -20 should not give you any problems.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,
The heater give a break to your motor (and you), if your oil is preheat the oil pressure is up faster and for your confort your heater give you haet much faster.

Richard
 

GANZGUT

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Gang:

I am the "fellow tdi'er" who wrote the post that RC has kindly reprinted. (I thought my post had been archived somewhere. Given that Winter's coming, perhaps we could repost this in a more user friendly place.)

I am unsure where the other recirculating coolant heater post for the A4's is located- I do know I saw it on this site last Fall.

You likely will not have any problems starting your car so long as you use winterized fuel and a 5W-30 or 5W-40 in the crankcase. Richard from Quebec is dead on when he says that the benefits of the block heater are that the car warms up faster. (If it's your first Winter, the TDI warms up SLOW.) Also, I like the fact that there is less strain on the starter motor, and the "glow plug" system- save this expensive stuff for when you really need it.

I have my car's block heater plugged into an outdoor timer that is programmed to cycle on and off 4 times a day (usually on 3 hours before I'd take the car somewhere). That saves me electricity, and also unnecessary wear and tear on the glow plugs/starter.

Lots of benefits to the block heater, I can't think of anything bad.

-Jim Dolan
 

Craig

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Very interesting post on installing a real block heater in a Passat. However has anyone actually done this with an A4 TDI?

It has been years since VW has produced the TDI and no block heater when one was readily available for older DI diesels. Ever wonder why? And why did they purchase an American designed stick-on pan heater to be the official heater? Well I was told by a VW parts guy that a block heater cannot be used on the TDI because VW found it screws up some sensor readings. If this is true it explains why VW has never made availble a TDI block heater.

The manufacter of the pan heater says in cold temperatures you can just leave them plugged in all the time. This can be done because they don't get the oil all that warm anyway--just luke warm, unlike a block heater. So there is no danger of overheating.
 

POM

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I got the glue on one that VW sells installed by the dealer last year on my 2000 NB TDI. Wasn't very helpful in the very cold outdoor weather. The only time I could actually tell it did anything was when I used it in the garage (which was always about 20 degrees F above--even though it's attached--it's Da** cold here). Unfortunately outdoors at minus 10 it seemed to do nothing. The car started fine (even one day at minus 20) but slow, and obviously cold, and was very slow to warm up. Whether I had the glue on heater plugged in or not, it seemed to make no difference. It's pretty windy here and a bit of wind at minus 10 or 20 seems to negate the little the heater does.

BTW, in the 30 miles to work, with an actual outdoor temp at -22F on the display, the car heated only to "tolerably" warm with extensive winter clothes on while set at full heat. The air blowing out was plenty warm, but just didn't seem able to heat up the frigid car and deal with the heat loss to the outside. Not looking forward to this winter... but I've got an Audi allroad now instead.
 

richard

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Chateauguay (Quebec)
Hi,

Anybody in here ever try to install a coolant
heater (i dont know the exact name of this thing but you install this on your radiator hose)on a Tdi.

Thanks..

Richard
Golf GL Tdi 2001
 

GANZGUT

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Craig:
. . .Well I was told by a VW parts guy that a block heater cannot be used on the TDI because VW found it screws up some sensor readings. If this is true it explains why VW has never made availble a TDI block heater. . .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a marketing decision, I think. I really think the sensor issue is a red herring. (Answers as to why the TDI does not have a VW made block heater are all over the map.) It is quite possible to NOT use a block heater and have your TDI start at temperatures where the engine is still "warm" (but not nearly at operating temperature) yet all the other sensors are quite cold. That doesn't seem to affect normally operating sensors.

Also, the sensors et.al. are already cycled quite frequently through the hot and cold cycles of the engine normally warming up and cooling down. It could be a factor/function of the block heater being an incompatible metal from the rest of the cooling system, but keep in mind that VW coolant heaters are not available for the VW 1.8 turbo 20 valve gas engine either. Yet, you can apparently get one for the VR6.

The last reason I can think of is that I read/heard somewhere that the TDI's in the A4's do not have frost plugs for some reason. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

OffTheFence

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POM: your experience is interesting. I had the bolt-on heater last winter. I don't think we had a night below zero (odd for Chicago) but on those single-digit or zero degree days I used the heater and when I pulled the dipstick it felt warm. That's with 2-3 hours on a timer, in a garage.

As for windchill, with that plastic belly pan on it seems like the whole motor is pretty well "wrapped" and shielded from wind. Without the belly pan, yes I would think the oil pan heater would be a non-issue when parked outside.

Well, you lived it: minus 10F, outside, etc., so you ought to know. Now that I've got the stick-on type, I, like A. Meyer, will be "looking forward to colder weather"
so I can experiment a bit more.

As for your 30-mile drive and the engine still didn't really warm up: That sounds extreme. I sure noticed last winter mine was slower to warm than other cars I've owned, but it eventually got there, and on drives shorter than 30 miles, like after work when the car was parked outside for 10 hours, F
WIW.

Anthony

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: OffTheFence ]
 

red golf tdi

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Hi Guys! I'm the guy from Minnesota which has the custom fit TDIHeater for the A4 TDIs for 1999-2002 model Golfs and Jettas.

NOW FITS 2001 & 2002 MODELS!

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Benefits include: reducing wear on the glow plugs, starter and battery. There’s the hard to find "Clamp-On" oil pan heater but that only heats the oil, and without any accessible frostplugs on the engine, a frostplug heater is not an option.

The kit is compact in size, comes pre-assembled with all necessary parts, hoses, and mounting bracket, to install the heater in an afternoon. Just add your own coolant and time. These are brand new heaters engineered to fit exclusively the new body style TDIs only. They will not fit older diesels, older TDIs, or the New Beatle TDIs. The heater is about the size of two 12oz soda pop cans, and fits nicely between the radiator and the transmission. It fits like a glove, and there is good clearance around the heater even when installing the unit. It will have a factory appearance when installed. I have had people say it looks factory when looking at mine. I developed this kit because I was tired of cold mornings with no heat up to 10 miles, and unable to locate someone producing a heater that actually fits and works. The kit ensures correct installation and operation because tank heaters need to be properly installed or they will not work.

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[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: red golf tdi ]</p>
 

red golf tdi

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TDI
1999.5 Golf Red
The Espar wouldn't be fesible under the compact hood of a Volkswagen. The Espar consumes approximately 1 cup of fuel for an hour of heat! That's one gallon for 8 hours of use! It would cost the price of a gallon just for one day! That's $1.35/gal times 30 days in a month or about $40 per month! A 1000watt electric tank heater could be plugged in 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 541 days stright for $40! Tank heaters only cost .05-.07 cents per hour to operate or about $2.10 per month.
 

NYTDI

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 23, 2001
Location
Mid - Hudson
TDI
1999.5 Golf TDI AUTOMATIC trans. GLS w/PLX package silver/black cloth
red golf tdi - this is a kit that you put together and are offering for sale? Cost? The link refers to a picture which did not come up, any chance you could (re)post a pic.? Others are probably interested.

Duh! excuse me red and allow me to answer my own question. http://forums.tdiclub.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=006249

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: NYTDI ]
 

NYTDI

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Joined
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Location
Mid - Hudson
TDI
1999.5 Golf TDI AUTOMATIC trans. GLS w/PLX package silver/black cloth
[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: NYTDI ]
 

LanduytG

Vendor
Joined
Sep 5, 2001
Location
Greenfield, IN
TDI
99 NB 82 Westfalia Diesel
red golf tdi
The Espar does not need to run 8 hours a day. With the size of the TDI cooling system
You would not have to run it for more than 30 minutes if that. Plus you would have a nice warm car inside too. You would never have to worry about finding a plug in either.
Its a very small unit for what it does. 9"long 3.5" wide and 6" tall. I would not be without mine. Has a seven day 3 event timer too.

Greg
 

red golf tdi

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Joined
Jan 16, 2001
Location
Minneapolis,MN
TDI
1999.5 Golf Red
It will take much more than 30 minutes to heat a cold engine from below zero. Even if it didn't have to run 8 hours, it would still be much more costly to operate at 1 cup per hour. Where do the spent gases go which are produced? The engine bay of the TDIs are well sealed with a belly pan and top cover.
 

LanduytG

Vendor
Joined
Sep 5, 2001
Location
Greenfield, IN
TDI
99 NB 82 Westfalia Diesel
I have mine on a 95 GM 6.5TD and it has a 6 gallon cooling system and it will warm it up to 130* in about 15-20 when its zero out. I have it because it might set in the parking lot at work for 12-16 hours. When 0 or below its really nice to have a warm truck. What does the TDI hold for coolant? I know it can't be 6 gallon. Convenance to me is worth more than I few extra bucks that it take to run it through the winter. My truck also sets outside at home so their is no need to run drop cords, windsheild is clean and the cab is warm. As for the exhaust that is not a major deal, all you would need to do is punch 2 1 1/4 holes for the exhaust and fresh air intake. Give me and Espar over electric any day. If you want to offset fuel cost use home made biodiesel. If you had one of these heaters for a winter you would never go back.

Greg

[ October 19, 2001: Message edited by: LanduytG ]
 

solstar

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2001
Location
Texas
TDI
2013 NB red cabrilet
shouldn't you be looking for a fueltank heater, not a motor block heater!

dosen't the fuel gel up when cold?
 
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