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Upgrades (non TDI Engine related) The place of handling, lighting and other upgrades that do not relate to the performance or economy of the TDI engine. In other words upgrades to your TDI that don't fit into TDI Fuel Economy & TDI Engine Enhancements.Please note the Performance Disclaimer

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Old December 7th, 2006, 08:48   #1
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I tried this on my Golf PD130 that was built in feb 2003. It has the 1C0 959 799 B but when i enter the 04361 address code it says error, wont accept so i gather its different, on the passat 2002 i just done also has the B module but the address 04361 worked perfect. Any ideas? Also anyone know the alarm memory address?
Hello, i have been playing with vds-pro and a CCM which I bought from a crashed Seat Leon, and I have found out the way to activate the alarm and also the interior-monitoring :-)

The procedure is valid only (at the moment) for these CCMs: 1C0 959 799 x, which covers a lot of models. You have to wire also the horn, power supply and also the motor hood sensor, which is already wired to the tacho, but not to the CCM. Additional wiring is needed for the interior monitoring sensors.

The memory address are: 04355,04356 and 04357 (group of three identical numbers, same as for the windows mod). To activate the hood sensor you have to substract 1. To activate the interior monitoring, you have to add 12. More specifically:

Bit for hood sensor (0=on, 1=off): ---- ---X
Bit for interior monitor (0=off, 1=on): ---- X---
Bit to activate adaptation channel 5 (0=off, 1=on): ---- 1X-- (interior monitoring must be on)

I have this working for my passat 2001. I bought an electronic siren to replace the claxon horn.... I am still investigating how to activate the LIN bus to the electronic siren... no luck yet.

Hope that this helps!
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Old December 7th, 2006, 12:14   #2
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Hello, i have been playing with vds-pro and a CCM which I bought from a crashed Seat Leon, and I have found out the way to activate the alarm and also the interior-monitoring :-)

The procedure is valid only (at the moment) for these CCMs: 1C0 959 799 x, which covers a lot of models. You have to wire also the horn, power supply and also the motor hood sensor, which is already wired to the tacho, but not to the CCM. Additional wiring is needed for the interior monitoring sensors.

The memory address are: 04355,04356 and 04357 (group of three identical numbers, same as for the windows mod). To activate the hood sensor you have to substract 1. To activate the interior monitoring, you have to add 12. More specifically:

Bit for hood sensor (0=on, 1=off): ---- ---X
Bit for interior monitor (0=off, 1=on): ---- X---
Bit to activate adaptation channel 5 (0=off, 1=on): ---- 1X-- (interior monitoring must be on)

I have this working for my passat 2001. I bought an electronic siren to replace the claxon horn.... I am still investigating how to activate the LIN bus to the electronic siren... no luck yet.

Hope that this helps!
Thanks for the information! What do you mean by activating the hood sensor?

There is a microswitch at the hood latch right now. It's already connected to the CCM.

If the hood is open, the alarm with not fully arm. Is yours different?

Which memory address affects the Siren? I already have the interior monitoring. On my CCM 1J0 959 799 AH 046, the pin assignment for the Siren is a different pin on the CCM. I've done the wiring analysis and can post it later.

I also have a CCM with the Backup horn/Siren and will test it and the horn hopefully soon.




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Old December 7th, 2006, 16:19   #3
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Hello, I did not mention before that my car did not have alarm originally (my passat 3bg 2001 is the basic model in Spain)... I went to ask to a VW dealer about how to install the alarm, and they told me that I had to replace the comfort module. But in the end, the different versions of CCMs are exactly the same HW with different configuration (modifiable with vds-pro), and this was my motivation to start to investigate which were the bits to activate the alarm.

The hood switch is not connected in my car to the CCM (probably because it does not have stock alarm) so this wire is needed to protect the hood and battery disconnection attempts. In vag-com, CCM, measure blocks, channel 8, block 1, it said: "not installed" for hood switch (F120). After changing the hood sensor bit, now it tells me if the hood is open or closed. At the same time, the alarm functionality gets activated. Optionally, if the wiring for the interior monitoring sensors is deployed in the car, it will still not work until the apropriate bits are changed. Again, measure blocks, channel 15, blocks 2 and 3 will say: "not installed". After altering this second and third bits it will say: Interior monitoring: yes/no; disconnection switch: "yes/no".

I was able to make the single-tone intermitent horn to work, together with the whole alarm functionality, as many stock cars in Europe, but my goal is to replace the horn by the electronic siren. I have wired already the LIN-BUS (CCM T15/3), supply and ground of the electronic siren, but does not work... I am trying to find out what bit must I change to activate this siren... I have read here a long discussion on the auto rolling windows feature, and I wonder if any "fanatic" of the CCM as I am, has tried this before.

Many thanks for replying!
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Old December 7th, 2006, 16:24   #4
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Hello, I did not mention before that my car did not have alarm originally (my passat 3bg 2001 is the basic model in Spain)... I went to ask to a VW dealer about how to install the alarm, and they told me that I had to replace the comfort module. But in the end, the different versions of CCMs are exactly the same HW with different configuration (modifiable with vds-pro), and this was my motivation to start to investigate which were the bits to activate the alarm.

The hood switch is not connected in my car to the CCM (probably because it does not have stock alarm) so this wire is needed to protect the hood and battery disconnection attempts. In vag-com, CCM, measure blocks, channel 8, block 1, it said: "not installed" for hood switch (F120). After changing the hood sensor bit, now it tells me if the hood is open or closed. At the same time, the alarm functionality gets activated. Optionally, if the wiring for the interior monitoring sensors is deployed in the car, it will still not work until the apropriate bits are changed. Again, measure blocks, channel 15, blocks 2 and 3 will say: "not installed". After altering this second and third bits it will say: Interior monitoring: yes/no; disconnection switch: "yes/no".

I was able to make the single-tone intermitent horn to work, together with the whole alarm functionality, as many stock cars in Europe, but my goal is to replace the horn by the electronic siren. I have wired already the LIN-BUS (CCM T15/3), supply and ground of the electronic siren, but does not work... I am trying to find out what bit must I change to activate this siren... I have read here a long discussion on the auto rolling windows feature, and I wonder if any "fanatic" of the CCM as I am, has tried this before.

Many thanks for replying!
Interesting work.

However, it is possible that there are very very minor hardware differences, like the presence of a couple surface mount resistors, or as much as a missing integrated circuit. These components might be required to drive the one-wire bus to the DWA Electronic Siren.

I'll be interested to hear how this comes along.

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Old December 7th, 2006, 16:37   #5
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Interesting work.

However, it is possible that there are very very minor hardware differences, like the presence of a couple surface mount resistors, or as much as a missing integrated circuit. These components might be required to drive the one-wire bus to the DWA Electronic Siren.

I'll be interested to hear how this comes along.

--phil
I have open-up the CCM and followed up the T15/3 pin internally with a tester... and this pin goes directly to the ALCATEL microcontroller. Some capacitors are around, but direct connection with the micro. This makes me think that the micro implements LIN-BUS, and the only thing I need is to change a configuration bit that instructs the CCM code to send the chirp and sound commands to the siren.

BTW, is there any model of Passat B5.5 or GolfIV / Bora that comes with electronic siren? This configuration bits must be among 10 memory addresses... it is not so much work to read and write down the numbers of these configuration registers with vds-pro... If someone have this siren, and the skills to read those addresses, I could keep on working on it. There are thousands of combinations, and many settings do not have inmediate effect... it is a night mare to do this investigation... I would prefer to have some configuration already and compare with that in my passat...
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Old December 7th, 2006, 16:42   #6
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Yes, DWA was available for B5 and A4 chassis vehicles. I have a 1C0 959 799 C 07F CCM here, waiting on some key fobs, so that I can retrofit both the European alarm and Interior Monitoring.

If I had a copy of VDS-PRO, I'd happily dump the memory. ;-)
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Old December 7th, 2006, 16:52   #7
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Yes, DWA was available for B5 and A4 chassis vehicles. I have a 1C0 959 799 C 07F CCM here, waiting on some key fobs, so that I can retrofit both the European alarm and Interior Monitoring.

If I had a copy of VDS-PRO, I'd happily dump the memory. ;-)
I have the soft in my laptop... send me a private message with an email address and I will send it to u now... but the DWA (is it equal to electronic siren?) must be activated... otherwise it will not be very useful... as I mentioned already, my alarm is working, the DWA wired and with power supply, and no chirp, just the horn beeps. Thanks!
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Old December 7th, 2006, 17:48   #8
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DWA = Diebstahlwarnanlage = Antitheft Alarm, with electronic chirp siren. My CCM most definitely has this option, along with IRÜ (Innenraumüberwachung = Interior Monitoring).

Just easier to use DWA and IRÜ than type out the words :-)

I should have time to get the Dump Saturday evening or Sunday morning.

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My personal favorite is Tageslaufende Lichter (TFL)...I always wondered why the "TFL" pin was the one you bent/covered to disable daytime running lights, until I had Babel Fish translate "daytime running lights" into German!

madelgado, do you know how to do a complete dump (and a complete write) with VDS-Pro? I've been using KVW's 799r.exe program to pull a complete dump.

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Old December 7th, 2006, 18:09   #10
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With vds-pro you can only read ten by ten... no need to get the full memory address, just from 4300 (decimal) to 4399(decimal)... ten reads of ten values. Whenever, dude, thanks.
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My personal favorite is Tageslaufende Lichter (TFL)...I always wondered why the "TFL" pin was the one you bent/covered to disable daytime running lights, until I had Babel Fish translate "daytime running lights" into German!

madelgado, do you know how to do a complete dump (and a complete write) with VDS-Pro? I've been using KVW's 799r.exe program to pull a complete dump.

--Chris
Didn't know about this SW... would be nice to have it ;-) Just because I am playing with my CCM, and using the car daily to go to work (I need it) it would be a nice way to have a back-up and restore mechanism; definitely I would love to try it... is it available somewhere? Tkx.
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Old December 7th, 2006, 21:13   #12
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Phil is telling me my 1J0 959 799Ah 046 CCM has the backup horn or siren feature.

I too will be wiring the siren this weekend.

For 1999-2001 cars:
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Siren wiring, here's what my analysis says
1. move pin 2 (factory horn) to Pin 1 of the siren, move T15/11 (CCM) to T15/6(CCM) - Signal

2. move Pin 1 (factory horn) to Pin 2 of the siren - Ground

3. tap pin 3 of siren to T15/12(existing)-power

For 2001-2002 the assignments are:

so it's very similar to mine
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1. move pin 2 (factory horn) to Pin 1 of the siren, move T15/11 (CCM) to T15/3(CCM) - Signal

2. move Pin 1 (factory horn) to Pin 2 of the siren - Ground

3. tap pin 3 of siren to T15/12(existing)-power

1999-2001 vs 2001-2002
Pin 1 - T15/6 vs T15/3 - signal
Pin 2 - Ground - same
Pin 3 - Power - same


I tried wiring this up on my car back when SVTWEB still had his Bora. Now, I realize that I didn't have the wires connected properly!
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Old December 8th, 2006, 01:44   #13
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While you're poking around in that SEAT Leon module...

You haven't found anything to activate the following:

Fold in the electric mirrors with the key fob, when locking car?

I believe some SEATs can do this standard if they have the folding moirror option. (may also require the appropriate window motor controller as well??)

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Old December 8th, 2006, 03:20   #14
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While you're poking around in that SEAT Leon module...

You haven't found anything to activate the following:

Fold in the electric mirrors with the key fob, when locking car?

I believe some SEATs can do this standard if they have the folding moirror option. (may also require the appropriate window motor controller as well??)

Sorry, but my car does not have folding mirrors... but I designed a small circuit to do that, in another local forum in Spain where I actively parcitipate, exactly for that... let me place the link here:

http://www.vagclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16917&start=45

Some people have installed this simple circuit in superb, passat, leon and toledo models and they confirm that I works (I just could test the theorical part when I designed the circuit :-( ). Hope it helps!

I agree with you that the hacking way would be nicest way. And I trust that within this (tdiclub.com) I have found the BEST collaboration ever, so I guess that if we join our efforts, we can reverse-engineer the CCM to know it all. From my side, this are my conclussions until now:

This is what I found-out:



Addr. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
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04100 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 --> faults memory. Each position is a different fault code
04110 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04120 255 40 40 40 40 255 40 255 255 255
04130 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04140 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04150 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 247 223 --> 4150 incl. end of faults mem.
04160 0 0 222 57 86 255 255 255 48 48
04170 48 52 2 4 2 4 90 255 255 0 --> coding (2, 4, 2, 4); key rotation code (starts at 04179)
04180 77 23 0 77 24 0 77 20 0 77
04190 21 0 77 22 255 255 255 255 255 255
04200 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04210 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04220 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04230 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 --> end keys rotation codes (4 keys)
04240 2 4 0 222 70 32 32 255 255 255 --> coding (2,4); workshop_code_00222 (2,4,0,222,70,32,32,255,255,255)
04250 255 255 255 255 255 255 7 179 46 76 --> key code start: 4256
04260 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 --> key codes
04270 255 255 90 255 255 255 254 255 255 255 --> key codes
04280 1 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04290 255 48 49 48 55 48 52 255 255 255
04300 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04310 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04320 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04330 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04340 255 255 255 255 255 68 94 182 21 161 --> configuration registers
04350 162 161 68 68 68 17 17 17 255 255 --> configuration registers
04360 255 10 10 10 48 48 48 255 255 255 --> configuration registers
04370 4 4 4 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 --> configuration registers
04380 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 --> maybe configuration reg.
04390 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04400 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04410 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04420 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04430 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04440 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04450 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04460 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04470 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04480 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04490 255 255 255 51 51 51 255 255 255 255
04500 255 255 129 129 129 255 255 255 255 255
04510 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04520 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04530 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04540 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04550 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04560 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04570 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04580 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
04590 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255

About the configuration registers:

Feature Address Bit
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undefined 04349,50,51: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04349,50,51: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04349,50,51: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04349,50,51: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04349,50,51: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04349,50,51: xx-x xxxx
undefined 04349,50,51: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04349,50,51: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04352,53,54: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04352,53,54: xxxx xx-x
autounlock (on=1, off=0) 04352,53,54: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04352,53,54: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04352,53,54: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04352,53,54: xx-x xxxx
autolock (on=1, off=0) 04352,53,54: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04352,53,54: -xxx xxxx

F120 (on=0, off=1) 04355,56,57: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04355,56,57: xxxx xx-x
Int.Mon. Ch.5 (on=1, off=0) 04355,56,57: xxxx 1-xx
Int.Monitoring(on=1, off=0) 04355,56,57: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04355,56,57: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04355,56,57: xx-x xxxx
heated mirrors(yes=0, no=1) 04355,56,57: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04355,56,57: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04358,59,60: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04358,59,60: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04358,59,60: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04358,59,60: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04358,59,60: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04358,59,60: xx-x xxxx
undefined 04358,59,60: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04358,59,60: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04361,62,63: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04361,62,63: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04361,62,63: xxxx x-xx
autowindows (on=0, off=1) 04361,62,63: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04361,62,63: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04361,62,63: xx-x xxxx
undefined 04361,62,63: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04361,62,63: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04364,65,66: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04364,65,66: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04364,65,66: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04364,65,66: xxxx -xxx
unlockBlink (on=1, off=0) 04364,65,66: xxx- xxxx
lockBlink (on=1, off=0) 04364,65,66: xx-x xxxx
unlockHorn (on=1, off=0) 04364,65,66: x-xx xxxx
lockHorn (on=1, off=0) 04364,65,66: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04367,68,69: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04367,68,69: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04367,68,69: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04367,68,69: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04367,68,69: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04367,68,69: xx-x xxxx
undefined 04367,68,69: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04367,68,69: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04370,71,72: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04370,71,72: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04370,71,72: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04370,71,72: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04370,71,72: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04370,71,72: xx-x xxxx
undefined 04370,71,72: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04370,71,72: -xxx xxxx

undefined 04373,74,75: xxxx xxx-
undefined 04373,74,75: xxxx xx-x
undefined 04373,74,75: xxxx x-xx
undefined 04373,74,75: xxxx -xxx
undefined 04373,74,75: xxx- xxxx
undefined 04373,74,75: xx-x xxxx
undefined 04373,74,75: x-xx xxxx
undefined 04373,74,75: -xxx xxxx

And this is where I am right now :-( Still lot of work to do...
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This could become the best thread ever. I love this forum!

I know I need the appropriate window motors (or "Frankenmotors" ) to get the fold option with the mirror switch, but I did read somewhere that the Leons or maybe a Skoda model have another option as well to fold the mirror with the key fob when the car locks.

I mean..... while we're hacking in, we might as well get the whole enchilada, so to speak.

Edit:
Just as an aside, I have found some info on this site which uses the Audi 361 relay to trigger the mirrors to fold using the "SAFE" signal i.e. doors locked and armed, to fold the mirrors: http://www.carcajou.de/howto/spiegel.htm

I have done a rough translation in a Wordpad doc if anyone is interested in this method which doesn't need new motors in window or even the special mirror switch. Only thing you couldn't do is fold the mirrors while actually driving down a narrow street or something.

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