I bought a Tesla ~3 years ago. If that had been out of my price range I absolutely would have either a Volt or a LEAF.
My install was also DIY; It's crazy how much money you can save. I also upgraded from 60 => 200 amp service when I did the install so the cost came in around $18k for everything but I'm saving $200/mo. You can build a 10kW system today for ~$10k w/o the tax credit.
Oooh another check!
2.9 miles, near enough to 3 miles/kWh, that I can buy that. Where I will disagree is the 15g/mi emission.
Not when photosynthesis and the resulting biomass are far more energy efficient in converting solar energy into a storable form.
Not even close;
You're getting colder... ok... I'll give you a hint... if you needed to consume 3.5kWh for every mile... and you travelled 3464.5 miles... you would need 3464.5miles x 3.5kWh = .......
LOL... man... no wonder some people hate EVs so much... you think they use ~10x more energy than they do! I'd think they were dumb too if they really used 3.5 kWh/mile
I must have missed it... the correct answer is ~2.9 miles per kWh or 0.345kWh/mile definitely no where near 3.5 kWh/mile.
Cool... edit it so it reads 2.893 miles/kWh (the correct units
).... not kWh/mile... BIG difference.
Apologies... I couldn't figure out how to post photos from my computer...
2.893 mi/kWh.
So let's parse the facts and opinions a bit... I did drive a B100 fueled Jetta for a few years. Several realities became clear and motivated me to pursue other alternatives.
To reiterate a few points so as not to give the impression I'm ignoring your point... recycling is critical and obviously a PV module built from non-vrigin materials is preferred over mining new materials... BUT its not like forgoing the cost of building new PV modules is in any way better than continuing to burn the fossil fuels it would have displaced.
The goal of Tesla has always been to work their way to a cheaper EV by using high end margins to fund R&D. $140k sports coupe (roadster) => $80k 5 series equivalent (MS) => $35k 3 series equivalent.
About 1050km, through a lot of sparsely populated areas.
Close, my auto gets 815km's on a tank on the highway.
So... I'm gonna call those myths 7 & 8I could make it to Kamloops, then I'd have to wait 75 mintues for it charge, wife is going to love that, so off we go, I can make it to Golden and another 75 min wait, off we go.
Edit, charging times are based on the fact that no one is unplugging your car to charge theirs,
That's a way to do the trip, but not the best one. You happen to be taking one of the only routes in Canada with a full set of superchargers.Right and as pointed out, EV's aren't suitable for long trips. EV's have a place, long trips aren't one of them.
Tesla with the 85 kw/h battery has a range of 465 km's IF all the ducks are in a row, so I am heading to Red Deer on Fri. Using a Tesla, I could make it to Kamloops, then I'd have to wait 75 mintues for it charge, wife is going to love that, so off we go, I can make it to Golden and another 75 min wait, off we go. I reach Banff and have to do a small charge as I can't make it to Red Deer on a full charge so another 40 min wait and off we go, and reach our destination. Wow, I paid $85K, plus tax to take an additional 3 hours, woo hoo. Go green,
So if I took my Jetta diesel, which I paid $2000 for, I would have stopped once, maybe twice, for a pee break and to fill up, so maybe a 40 min stop(s) in total. Cost of trip, $60. Go green,
Edit, charging times are based on the fact that no one is unplugging your car to charge theirs,
Myth 9 (Resource Restraints);Google tells there are 60M new cars produced/sold each year (as of 2012), and this guy at Stanford tells me that the average all-electric car requires about 2.4kg of lithium, meaning each year, 150M kg of lithium would be required (rounding up a bit).
There's about 10Billion kg of lithium in the world, so doing some elementary-school arithmetic (10B/150M = 10/.150) gives us about 66.6 years of lithium. And then that's it.
Now sure, we're nowhere close to ONLY electric vehicles (far from it), but even if we were to get to 50%, given the population growth, there's probably still going to be less than 100 years of lithium available on earth....which is fine for you and me, but probably not the great-grandkids.
Can you say graphene?
On charging time, you all of should know.So... I'm gonna call those myths 7 & 8
Myth 7 It takes 75 minutes at a supercharger;
superchargers charge at 135kW. That's 600km/h. Most Supercharger stops are <30 minutes.... it tapers off A LOT towards 80% but you don't need more than that to make it to the next charger. 95% of the time I stop my car is ready before I am. There actually is a Supercharger network to Red Deer. A trip to Red Deer would be ~10 hours of driving and <2 hours of charging at four charging stops. Most people aren't going to drive 10 hours without a stop for lunch so you're realistically adding 1 hour of travel time. 1hr to save ~$50 in fuel...
Myth 8; Yeah... the charger gets locked into the car and cannot be removed unless the car is unlocked... so no, your car cannot be unplugged... unless you forget to lock the car.
I could do that but that's still time, money spent waiting, IE food, drinks etc and its starting to get cold out, rather not risk running out of juice.saGhost said:
Not prepared for that yet, maybe when I get old and I have more time, lol. Yep... that's why I very very rarely (if ever) charge to 100%. 80% in 40 minutes or 100% in 75 minutes; that last 20% takes nearly as long as the first 80. You're going to have some charge when you pull in... so like I said... a 30 minute stop is all I usually need. You get enough juice to get to the next stop, the car knows the terrain and tells you when you've got enough.
I'm glad you stopped to take an objective look at the situation and the technology before offering an unbiased opinion...