WVO TDI hits 100K miles

[validius]

All we have to prove that you have not replaced the whole engine, let alone injectors or IP is your word. After what you have said here and other insane comments in other threads your word is worthless as far as im concerned.

When chasee makes it to 100k then i may give respect. Despite his obsession he is mostly rational and meticulous with his filtering and temps.

 

[Thermo1223]

Same ol' stuff, different day...

 

[BioDiesel]

Same ol' stuff, different day...

Yup.

This belongs at the end of every WVO thread:

"Realize that most, if not all, of the folks condeming WVO have never used WVO. Most, if not all, are excellent mechanics but have no real personal experience running vegetable oil in TDI. You will be wise to seek their advice on general TDI questions, but ignore their WVO doomsday predictions. Fortunately, there are now enough of us on here who have run lots of WVO through our engines and we know that it can work.
..
After half a dozen years of ambitious WVO experimentation, it is now apparant that pretty much any pre 2008 diesel vehicle can be converted to run on WVO. Of course, it is very easy to find a reason why something will not work or cannot be done. Far more impressive is the person who figures out how to do what the less imaginative are afraid to try."

-philngrace

 

[oilhammer]

I've never tried cocaine, either. Should I? Or should I just trust that people who know better than I do that it is in fact not a good thing.

 

[validius]

Yup.

This belongs at the end of every WVO thread:

"Realize that most, if not all, of the folks condemning WVO have never used WVO. Most, if not all, are excellent mechanics but have no real personal experience running vegetable oil in TDI. You will be wise to seek their advice on general TDI questions, but ignore their WVO doomsday predictions. Fortunately, there are now enough of us on here who have run lots of WVO through our engines and we know that it can work.
..
After half a dozen years of ambitious WVO experimentation, it is now apparent that pretty much any pre 2008 diesel vehicle can be converted to run on WVO. Of course, it is very easy to find a reason why something will not work or cannot be done. Far more impressive is the person who figures out how to do what the less imaginative are afraid to try."

-philngrace

I accused you of misleading the ignorant and being catastrophically stupid or a liar so you wrote a disclaimer....

 

[vwcampin]

When chasee makes it to 100k then i may give respect. Despite his obsession he is mostly rational and meticulous with his filtering and temps.

Chasee was over 125K back in early February.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=2453981&postcount=45

 

[validius]

Chasee was over 125K back in early February.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=2453981&postcount=45

respect for being so anal about his filtering.

Though i still dont understand why he (and the rest of you VO fools... yea you heard me) dont just make BD out of it.

 

[Thermo1223]

Yup.

This belongs at the end of every WVO thread:

"snip"

-philngrace

It was more in reference to you than the actions of others.

WVO is by no means a reliable way to fuel your car unless you knowingly accept it will fail horribly at some point.

The people that jumped on it and cry when it breaks are exactly the ones who deserve whats coming to them.

That belongs at the end of every WVO thread.

 

[Mr_Deezy]

BioDiesel

Congratulations!! You are obviously doing a great job with your oil and regular maintenance of your car. I too am racking up the miles on WVO and will aspire to your milage at a later date.

Don't get caught up in all the trash these guys are spewing at you, they all sound like broken records at this point. The people who fail with WVO are the same type of people who never have ANY maintenance done to thier vehicles and then "cry" when something mechanical fails due to normal wear and tear. A sucessful WVO'er is someone who knows how to prepare thier WVO and work on their vehicle or at least have the work performed for them at proper intervals.

Good for you and many more miles!!

 

[jasonTDI]

Good luck finding people to work on it. Most won't.

I can say it all I want, never run it either but fixed so dam* many of them I decided to not deal with them any longer. All I got was grief from the owners when the bill arrived to make the car correct. I mean *** did you expect?

 

[Mr_Deezy]

If the owner gives you a problem with the bill, if it is fair but expensive due to what needed to be done, then it is clearly the owner who is wrong, but are you to tell me that when a customer comes to you with, lets say, brake linings worn so bad that they have no lining left and the customer has been braking metal on metal and they don't give you an issue concerning money when they now have extra parts to replace?

If you see some many vehicles with damage on them due to WVO, wouldn't you want to work on them and have more buisness/money?

 

[TDIJetta99]

I'll work on them.. Makes no difference to me how it broke or why it's broken.. All it has to be is broken.. I have a number of customers that run WVO.. some have weird issues, most do not.. I will ALWAYS call the customer with an estimate of repairs before just doing a crapload of work then hitting them with a bill, especially when there's more than expected wrong with the vehicle.

One of my WVO customers (not a forum member) has 215k on a 99.5... Car was converted with 45k using a really old greasecar kit.. no gauges, nothing.. oem temp gauge hits 190 and they flip the switch.. I put a new set of nozzles in it at 200k along with a clean intake and fuel temp sensor.. Car is completely stock and runs absolutely fine.. Inside of the IP looked about as normal as it gets.

I have another customer that I installed a modified Fossil Free Fuels kit last fall.. So far all is well but he hasn't done too many miles on WVO just yet.. Maybe 20k.. I'll have to ask him, he'll be in next week to pick up the cummins..

I was going to do the WVO thing till the mod bug got ahold of me.. WVO+PP502's+11mm+RC5=BAD..

 

[JohnyRRR]

Good work Biodiesel, keep us updated on your WVO exploits, I wish the naysayers would stop trolling this part of the forum looking for a debate. I can say to Validius as an answer to why not just make Bio with it....The answer is simple, the chemicals needed and my children anrent a mix that I want to try. Lye and Methonal are dangerous stuff

 

[jasonTDI]

If the owner gives you a problem with the bill, if it is fair but expensive due to what needed to be done, then it is clearly the owner who is wrong, but are you to tell me that when a customer comes to you with, lets say, brake linings worn so bad that they have no lining left and the customer has been braking metal on metal and they don't give you an issue concerning money when they now have extra parts to replace?

If you see some many vehicles with damage on them due to WVO, wouldn't you want to work on them and have more business/money?

Because most of them are so obtuse it's not worth it. They go over to the local grease installer and get crap service they got at the dealer so it back to the norm for most of them.

That's the beauty of being self employed. I can CHOOSE what I want to work on and I DON'T want to work on this junk. I'm booked weeks in advance most of the years so it makes no difference to me to have some weirdos car in my shop. And in Madison....There are plenty of WEIRDOS.

There are a LOT of other gurus that refuse to fix them as well.

 

[jasonTDI]

I'll work on them.. Makes no difference to me how it broke or why it's broken.. All it has to be is broken.. I have a number of customers that run WVO.. some have weird issues, most do not.. I will ALWAYS call the customer with an estimate of repairs before just doing a crapload of work then hitting them with a bill, especially when there's more than expected wrong with the vehicle.

One of my WVO customers (not a forum member) has 215k on a 99.5... Car was converted with 45k using a really old greasecar kit.. no gauges, nothing.. oem temp gauge hits 190 and they flip the switch.. I put a new set of nozzles in it at 200k along with a clean intake and fuel temp sensor.. Car is completely stock and runs absolutely fine.. Inside of the IP looked about as normal as it gets.

I have another customer that I installed a modified Fossil Free Fuels kit last fall.. So far all is well but he hasn't done too many miles on WVO just yet.. Maybe 20k.. I'll have to ask him, he'll be in next week to pick up the cummins..

I was going to do the WVO thing till the mod bug got ahold of me.. WVO+PP502's+11mm+RC5=BAD..

You're prerogative. YMMV.

I always have a bill for them that is discussed in advance yet here in Madison, Berkeley East BTW, they seem to forget the written estimate or the conversation because of all the pot smoke fogging their brain.

 

[oilhammer]

I always have a bill for them that is discussed in advance yet here in Madison, Berkeley East BTW, they seem to forget the written estimate or the conversation because of all the pot smoke fogging their brain.

You forgot about the female armpit hair.

 

[kingkos]

That's the beauty of being self employed. I can CHOOSE what I want to work on and I DON'T want to work on this junk. I'm booked weeks in advance most of the years so it makes no difference to me to have some weirdos car in my shop. And in Madison....There are plenty of WEIRDOS.

There are a LOT of other gurus that refuse to fix them as well.

Do you refuse to work on any part of a WVO car, or only if it's related to the WVO system? If I come in and need work done on my brakes, alternator or starter, would you turn me away because I have a WVO car?

I can usually take care of WVO issues, myself, but wouldn't think about replacing my own timing belt.

steve

 

[TDIJetta99]

You're prerogative. YMMV.

I always have a bill for them that is discussed in advance yet here in Madison, Berkeley East BTW, they seem to forget the written estimate or the conversation because of all the pot smoke fogging their brain.

I seem to have issues like that with the non-vw locals here.. They will get an estimate beforehand and OK the job, then when they come to pick it up, "you didn't say it was THAT much"... I've never had that happen with any of the folks on this forum.. Maybe I've been lucky..

 

[BioDiesel]

Pictures of the inside of the head

Poked around a bit here and found a picture of TDI cylinder head that looks close to mine at 162K total 82K of WVO.
Minus the brown stains and missing valve.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x15/DerChimera/headermockuppics031.jpg

Original pictures were lost. But this picture looks pretty close.

 

[TDIJetta99]

Poked around a bit here and found a picture of TDI cylinder head that looks close to mine at 162K total 82K of WVO.
Minus the brown stains and missing valve.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x15/DerChimera/headermockuppics031.jpg

Original pictures were lost. But this picture looks pretty close.

That engine ate something, I hope yours didn't look like that... The brown stains look like rust..

 

[vwcampin]

Do you refuse to work on any part of a WVO car, or only if it's related to the WVO system? If I come in and need work done on my brakes, alternator or starter, would you turn me away because I have a WVO car?

I can usually take care of WVO issues, myself, but wouldn't think about replacing my own timing belt.

steve

From what I have seen Jason post before, he has indicated he will not work on WVO cars period. Definitely his prerogative, but it seems the consensus is that all WVO users are "dirty, stoner hippies"

 

[BioDiesel]

That engine ate something, I hope yours didn't look like that... The brown stains look like rust..

Just the soot deposits match. what I called 50% soot, 50% bare metal.

 

[UFO]

Good work Biodiesel, keep us updated on your WVO exploits, I wish the naysayers would stop trolling this part of the forum looking for a debate. I can say to Validius as an answer to why not just make Bio with it....The answer is simple, the chemicals needed and my children anrent a mix that I want to try. Lye and Methonal are dangerous stuff

Keep them out of your garage -- that is where you would do it right, not where your kids play?

 

[philngrayce]

respect for being so anal about his filtering.

Though i still dont understand why he (and the rest of you VO fools... yea you heard me) dont just make BD out of it.

Because WVO is much cheaper, easier and safer. Is that enough reasons?

 

[Thermo1223]

Because WVO is much cheaper, easier and safer. Is that enough reasons?

Cheaper, that depends on your cost to store/process/run it.

Easier, see above and highly opinionated.

Safer, again highly opinionated.

So no it's not.

 

[vwcampin]

Seriously, who cares?????? Some of on this board choose to use WVO, others differing percentages of biodiesel, others nothing but diesel. So what, it's not like we are forcing you and others to do it.

 

[T'sTDI]

Cheaper, that depends on your cost to store/process/run it.

Easier, see above and highly opinionated.

Safer, again highly opinionated.

So no it's not.

Yes it is... This can go back and forth all day...

How can any of you comment on WVO if you have absolutely no experience with it. None at all, no experience with filtering, no experience with running a kit, no experience with driving a car while on VO. And why on earth do you people feel your BS comments hold crediblity over people who actually hold success with running VO in their cars for extended periods of time, i.e over 100k.

This will go back and forth till the end of time, but all you haters can only comment on pictures and heresay. As for the people who worked on them, did you ask them any questions regarding their kit, how they filtered, drove, maintenance, or purging?

Theres a lot thats involved in being successful with VO. Some people take the time to research and others don't. Its not a replacement to diesel fuel, its a supplement and should be treated as such.

 

[Mr_Deezy]

T

You are 100% right and what you just posted has been posted many times before, but obviously these purists want the world population to be robots, no one thinking for themselves, just do what the purists do and never any other way.

Like it has been posted before, its not thier car, money or time, whats the point in bashing WVO, if you don't want to do it, don't and keep the BS comments to yourselves.

 

[Thermo1223]

Nobody ever gets it.

It is not BS comments they are warnings, running VO is not for the timid. It requires meticulous attention to detail. I applaud all those that run it and have no issues now.

It goes without saying just because you run it for 100k doesn't mean it won't fail horribly one day. It can, has, & will. It is just like anything else with a MTBF.

If those 3 reasons which have no facts to back were all that was needed WVO would have been a hit long ago.

What I'm sure is really annoying is the idiots they get on TV straining it through a colander and dumping it right in. I will say though episodes on various shows about BioD seem to have finally found credible people who know how to make it.

Not to mention the idiot installers of VO systems.

If you want to get mad at someone get mad at them, they hurt VO more than anything else. As the customer ends up at a mechanic cursing VO to death because it ruined their car. That is unless the customer was a clout to begin with, then it was never meant to be.

 

[UFO]

Yes it is... This can go back and forth all day...

How can any of you comment on WVO if you have absolutely no experience with it. None at all, no experience with filtering, no experience with running a kit, no experience with driving a car while on VO. And why on earth do you people feel your BS comments hold crediblity over people who actually hold success with running VO in their cars for extended periods of time, i.e over 100k.

This will go back and forth till the end of time, but all you haters can only comment on pictures and heresay. As for the people who worked on them, did you ask them any questions regarding their kit, how they filtered, drove, maintenance, or purging?

Theres a lot thats involved in being successful with VO. Some people take the time to research and others don't. Its not a replacement to diesel fuel, its a supplement and should be treated as such.

I can comment because I have. WVO did not work out for me because my commute is too short and I grew tired of having to switch it in and out, and also grew tired of the stench of diesel and chinese food. And when I got another diesel, I had already started burning biodiesel, and didn't have to take the time and expense of installing and learning another kit. And now I have three diesels.

Not to mention biodiesel is more like the fuel the modern fuel systems are designed to use, so less issues are associated with burning it. I've now driven diesels for 100k miles on B100 and winter blends over the last 5 years. Carry on.