Would you consider buying a VW gasser with your buyback money?

[sandydeb]

Poll only for those who are inclined towards accepting the buyback, as offered. Pls keep this on topic and free from discussions about the fairness of the buyback offer.
I personally would not but another VW unless they offered it at some insane discount off MSRP (think 40%+ !!)
Three reasons,
1) VW quality control is highly suspect and I have squeeks and rattles galore in my 2014 Passat
2) There are much better competing non-VW cars in the gas world
3) I am not so sure that VW will continue to operate in the US post settlement, VAG may retreat to selling Audis and Porsches only.

 

[zoomydu]

Maybe not 25%, but more than $1-2. For $3-4k I might consider it, only because to get a comparably equipped manual Golf to the competition (Mazda 3s GT or Kia Forte5 SX) I'd have to go with a GTI, since they don't offer a manual in the Golf other than a really stripped-down Golf S.

 

[tadawson]

Need a 5th choice - I would not considerbuying a gasser from *ANYONE* . . . another TDI, no problem (or other diesel) . . . no issue with VW whatsoever - this is nothing more than EPA/CARB burocratic poo flinging at it's finest . . .

 

[Diesl]

Yep, there is at least one other choice missing. I'd buy a diesel, but not a gasoline powered car from VW.The TSIs don't have the range and the ooomph I now got used to; I'm not about to downgrade just because VW screwed up.

 

[njn63]

Very unlikely. This was my first VW and I was unimpressed with VW's response to this issue. Stringing along owners for close to a year with no answer doesn't sit well with me.

I also wasn't terribly impressed with certain other aspects of the ownership experience: cost of parts/maintenance, known issues that VW refused to address, etc.

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

Very unlikely. This was my first VW and I was unimpressed with VW's response to this issue. Stringing along owners for close to a year with no answer doesn't sit well with me.

I also wasn't terribly impressed with certain other aspects of the ownership experience: cost of parts/maintenance, known issues that VW refused to address, etc.

Ditto. Never say never, but my next car won't be a VW anything, and I doubt I'll look back.

 

[Cptcrnch]

I'm leaning towards keeping my TDI. But if the deal is right (buyback + incentives at the dealer) I would strongly consider having the dealer try to find me a well optioned CPO 2014 GTI or R.

 

[str1ck]

OK Here are my thoughts after some research.
2.0T Engine has the Carbon Buildup problems, No thank you. That rules out the CC or the Tiguan. I don't want a Passat or another Golf or a 1.8L engine. Plus I don't think VW is going to come up with a TDI Owner Incentive and even if they do. Some of you are fooling yourselves if you think you are going to get some big discount on a Golf Type R. A 25% discount is not enough. Any incentive needs to be independent of any dealer discounts. In my mind the incentive should be like a voucher, you negotiate your own deal, and then apply the voucher on top of that. I don't see that happening so that combined with VW doesn't have anything for and I am done with VW.

 

[740GLE]

Very unlikely. This was my first VW and I was unimpressed with VW's response to this issue.

I'm not saying VW did things great, but I'd be really surprised how other makes would handle it any better?

How long did Toyota sit on rusting frames before acting?

 

[TCBinaflash]

I'm pretty sure this is exactly what will happen. 20-30% discounting. This would really seal the deal for the optics of the majority of buyers. It will prob be announce a few days before the 26 th hearing so the judge can consider it.

 

[sandydeb]

I'm pretty sure this is exactly what will happen. 20-30% discounting. This would really seal the deal for the optics of the majority of buyers. It will prob be announce a few days before the 26 th hearing so the judge can consider it.

I think it would make sense to keep track of gas VW prices to figure out what the exact discount is.

I can already see on truecar that the 2016 Passat is trading almost 5k off MSRP here in NJ (will likely be higher elsewhere) - which is already a 15% discount to MSRP.

I would not consider it unless it was another $6-7k off at least, to account for the sub-par quality (compared to say an Accord) and the risk of VW vanishing and the residual value getting totally trashed.

 

[vestal]

I want to go back to a hatchback. had 2-door golf tdi then went to jetta tdi, now considering golf 4-door gasser. I don't see much in the hatchback market that I like more than the golf.

 

[srs5694]

If I take the buyback, I'll most likely replace my 2015 Golf with a hybrid -- depending on pricing and other issues, probably a Toyota Prius, or maybe a Ford C-MAX. One of my main reasons for buying the TDI was the fuel economy, and it would be hard to give that up. (FWIW, I haven't 100% decided to take the buyback; it would probably be financially better in the short term to keep my Golf and have it repaired.)

I know that VW offers a Jetta hybrid, but I want a hatchback, and I've heard that the Jetta hybrid is being discontinued for 2017, so it's not really in the running, particularly if this drags on much beyond October.

Of course, the big issue is: Why would I buy from a company that committed massive fraud on an environmental crime and made me an unwitting accomplice? Buying another VW would therefore be like somebody who keeps going back to an abusive spouse.

Still, if the pot were sweet enough (25% off MSRP might not be enough), and if my needs were to change or if VW were to deliver a hybrid Golf, I might consider another VW as a replacement. The odds of these conditions being met are vanishingly small, though.

 

[sandydeb]

If I take the buyback, I'll most likely replace my 2015 Golf with a hybrid -- depending on pricing and other issues, probably a Toyota Prius, or maybe a Ford C-MAX.

Note sure the upcharge for a hybrid makes any sense now that turbo-charged gassers are coming out with very nice mileage numbers. The new Civic get close to 40 even per real world usage.

Also - remember that going from 40mpg to 45mpg is not as big an upside as it appears due to the flawed metric in vogue here in the states. gallons/100 miles (the inverse basically) is the more appropriate metric.

In this case, going from 40 to 45 means going from 2.5 to 2.22 gallons/100 miles.

Not the same as going from 20 to 25mpg, which would be 5 to 4 gallons/100 miles.

 

[Philpug]

Most of us bought these cars because they were diesels first and VW's second. The only reason I am considering an Alltrack is because it fits my needs, not that it is a VW. Even though I dont want to reward VW for what they did by buying another car from them, I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face. Will we see 20% off of an Alltrack? Not sure but that is what it will take, as a start...0% finance and maintenance will also need to be included.

 

[dgoodhue]

Despite the frustration and uncertainty of dieselgate, we are more than satisfied with the outcome of the buyback. We will be getting our money back with as much 4 years of ownership. If VW reintroduce TDI it will be in the consideration. We will do another new car search and it will probably come down to a Subaru or Sportwagen again. My doesn't want a MT this time, so that will be one less positive for the VW.

 

[Borsig]

Ive said all along. I need to see 3-5K off (based on trim - 4500 ish for an SEL) AFTER dealer negotiations to even consider a gas VW.

maybe then.

And the voucher needs to be good for the length of the buyback. Not for a couple months of their choosing in 2017

 

[Analogeezer]

GSW lack of manual models

This would be my main beef, in the US market, VW only offers manual transmission on the "S" Model, so compared to my base 2013 TDI I would be giving up:

1. Six speed manual
2. Leatherette interior
3. Heated Seats

VW is now offering a "Special Edition GSW" that adds leatherette and heated seats but you are stuck with the six speed auto, which sucks ballz, I have driven that thing (in a Jetta loaner) and it sucks

Given the take rate on Manual JSW's was 30% (this figure was actually announced by VWofA themselves) it's really dumb they did not reconfigure the production decks to account for this, since it is 9 months later.

So it's going to be hard to talk me out of my car just to downgrade to cloth and a five speed and no heated seats....

Analogeezer

 

[Diesl]

Yep, agree, current VW offerings are just pathetic. I'm not looking for a manual , but I want the same options as my base model TDI.

 

[zoomydu]

This would be my main beef, in the US market, VW only offers manual transmission on the "S" Model, so compared to my base 2013 TDI I would be giving up:

1. Six speed manual
2. Leatherette interior
3. Heated Seats

4. Sunroof

So this is why I most likely will end up with a Mazda 3s GT or fully loaded Kia Forte5. Really wish there were more loaded manual wagon/hatchback options in the US.

 

[S2000_guy]

This would be my main beef, in the US market, VW only offers manual transmission on the "S" Model, so compared to my base 2013 TDI I would be giving up:

1. Six speed manual
2. Leatherette interior
3. Heated Seats

VW is now offering a "Special Edition GSW" that adds leatherette and heated seats but you are stuck with the six speed auto, which sucks ballz, I have driven that thing (in a Jetta loaner) and it sucks

Given the take rate on Manual JSW's was 30% (this figure was actually announced by VWofA themselves) it's really dumb they did not reconfigure the production decks to account for this, since it is 9 months later.

So it's going to be hard to talk me out of my car just to downgrade to cloth and a five speed and no heated seats....

Analogeezer

Exactly. TDIs were about 25% of VW's sales in the US. About 25% of those were manuals. Since they quit selling TDIs they obviously have 6 MT transmissions available; why not sell them to us on the TSIs?

 

[VeeDubTDI]

No gassers for me, VW or otherwise. Unfortunately, that's not an option in this poll.

 

[TravelDave]

Most of us bought these cars because they were diesels first and VW's second. The only reason I am considering an Alltrack is because it fits my needs, not that it is a VW. Even though I dont want to reward VW for what they did by buying another car from them, I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face. Will we see 20% off of an Alltrack? Not sure but that is what it will take, as a start...0% finance and maintenance will also need to be included.

That's my philosophy. Now that I live in Colorado, the Alltrack would be a nice option. But they will need to tack on some nice incentives to get me to buy VW.

 

[grawk]

vw isn't dead to me, but I'd only buy a vw diesel.

 

[dropnosky]

The gasser prices are so much lower that its an attractive possibilty. I was able to work out if i took the buyback, paid off the tdi loan, used the extra to buy a same year, same color, same optioned gas powered passat and got a loan on that, id owe half the money i would owe on the tdi loan even after you factor in the fix money were i to keep the car.

Unfortunately i know almost nothing about the gas variants.

The wife drives the car, so my opinion isnt worth much on what to do with it however.

 

[MichaelB]

The gasser prices are so much lower that its an attractive possibilty. I was able to work out if i took the buyback, paid off the tdi loan, used the extra to buy a same year, same color, same optioned gas powered passat and got a loan on that, id owe half the money i would owe on the tdi loan even after you factor in the fix money were i to keep the car.

Unfortunately i know almost nothing about the gas variants.

The wife drives the car, so my opinion isnt worth much on what to do with it however.

I have read a few of your posts.......they are all about your loan. I bought mine cash so I have a different perspective. Also stop putting it all on your wife you were involved too.

 

[dropnosky]

I have read a few of your posts.......they are all about your loan. I bought mine cash so I have a different perspective. Also stop putting it all on your wife you were involved too.

After getting a loan i discovered i hate loans. constantly on my mind that for the first time ever, i dont own a car outright.
All on the wife, were it me the car would have been manual, no dsg, and we would be keeping it.
I also blame her for any attire mistakes i make.

 

[MichaelB]

After getting a loan i discovered i hate loans. constantly on my mind that for the first time ever, i dont own a car outright.
All on the wife, were it me the car would have been manual, no dsg, and we would be keeping it.
I also blame her for any attire mistakes i make.

Seems like you have problems deeper than a car loan. Work it out or you will be very unhappy in your future years.

 

[Leeshepard]

GTI or R

I would replace with a GTI or an R if I could find a dealer who wouldn't gouge on the price. Since the loss of the TDI business, these are probably their most valuable cars to sell so I am not holding my breath on a deal. VW could win me back by building a lot of GTIs and Rs. Either that or find a way to get the GTD into this country.

 

[MichaelB]

Either that or find a way to get the GTD into this country.

Good luck with that.........with all this anti diesel hate goin' on. Dream on Bro