Why watch NASCAR?

alienbogey

Veteran Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2004
Location
Gig Harbor, WA
TDI
NB
NASCAR? Boorrrriiiinnnngggg.

It is good for the occasional laugh, though. "Come see the mighty Toyota Camry take on NASCAR". YGTBSM

I'll look up for the crash footage on SportCenter, otherwise I'd rather watch grass grow.
 

Marauderer

Veteran Member
Joined
Oct 28, 2006
Location
Powder Springs, Georgia
TDI
06 Jetta "Diesel Edition"
alienbogey said:
NASCAR? YGTBSM
Yes they are and look at the amount of people that are buying it.

Really sad bunch of lemmings.

Question, would it be this way if Dale Sr. was still alive??? Look at how much it has chaged since he passed away.
 

cptmox

Veteran Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2001
Location
Villa Park, IL.
TDI
01 Jetta GLS, Silver 5-spd
Before Dale Sr. death:
Veteran drivers were most popular, NASCAR fans rooted for one driver who "paid his dues" and were fiercely loyal to him. Young hotshots who dare win races were vilified, for example, Jeff Gordon.

After Dale Sr.:
A flood of popularity falls on Dale Jr. due to residual love for his dad followed by some timely victories. Now young hotshots are all the rage, the more audacious and obnoxious the better.
 

owr084

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Oct 20, 2004
Location
Northern Virginia (NoVA)
TDI
Passat GLS, 2005, Stonehenge Gray
cptmox said:
That's an interesting sponsor on tail wing of that boat.

Or is that a new concept car from the auto show? A new dimension to their "trail rated" theme? :)
Jeep/Chrysler has sponsored the Gold Cup race in Detroit for a number of years.

The APBA Challenge Cup, more commonly known as the APBA Gold Cup is among the most prestigious of motorsport trophies, in part because it is the oldest active trophy in all of motorsports ... the trophy was first awarded in 1904! In comparison, the first Indianapolis 500 race was held in 1911 and their Borg-Warner trophy was first awarded in 1936. http://www.gold-cup.com/history/index.html

The only automotive powered unlimited to win a post-war race was powered by two Keith Black hemis...
 

MrMopar

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Mar 1, 2003
Location
Bloomington, IL
TDI
none
cptmox said:
That's a pretty ugly swishy 07. It looks better as a 20, he should just keep his car inverted.
The sponsor of that car is Jack Daniel's. The 7 is kinda swishy like the rest of the font for the product name.
 

MrMopar

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Mar 1, 2003
Location
Bloomington, IL
TDI
none
owr084 said:
e personally, I like Unlimited Hydroplanes, especially U-3 Coopers' Express. 3000+ HP, 12 cylinders and 1710 cubic inches of displacement! Their 3 mile lap speeds may be slower than NASCAR racers, but they do it without any banking on the turn and on a much rougher surface ;)
1710 cid V-12 engine? Sounds like an Allison V-12 that powered a lot of US warplanes in WWII.
 

owr084

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Oct 20, 2004
Location
Northern Virginia (NoVA)
TDI
Passat GLS, 2005, Stonehenge Gray
MrMopar said:
1710 cid V-12 engine? Sounds like an Allison V-12 that powered a lot of US warplanes in WWII.
That's exactly what it is. Ed has the only boat on the circuit still running a piston engine.

All the other boats in the fleet are running Lycoming T-55-L7B/Cs jet turbine engines. These jet boats just don't sound the same as a piston boat - not enough noise. Even Ed's piston is "quieter" because he has to run the exhaust through a pair of monster turbos instead of short stacks. I wish he was able to use a dual stage aux blower instead. Then we would be talking serious noise.

I still remember one year when a team fired up its Rolls Royce Griffin motor and promptly set off every car alarm in the area :eek:

http://www.abrahydroplanes.com/
 

need4speed

Veteran Member
Joined
May 4, 2004
RabbitGTI said:
NASCAR sold it's soul in the early 90s. Now it's entertainment, not motorsports. ...
Hell, the same can be said for ANY pro sport. (ie. they're not allowed to take steroids - wink-wink-nudge nudge). It's ALL entertainment now. Very little substance to be found, anywhere. Maybe in amateur sports. (it would be just SAD if someone was doing steroids to compete in amateur sports - but they're probably doing it there too. . . )
 

cptmox

Veteran Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2001
Location
Villa Park, IL.
TDI
01 Jetta GLS, Silver 5-spd
For those who think a crash in NASCAR is exciting, those unlimited jet boats leave a trail of boat and body parts when they disintegrate after flipping over backwards and impacting the water.

Just the kind of carnage that atracts the casual (and callous) fan.
 

owr084

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Oct 20, 2004
Location
Northern Virginia (NoVA)
TDI
Passat GLS, 2005, Stonehenge Gray
cptmox said:
For those who think a crash in NASCAR is exciting, those unlimited jet boats leave a trail of boat and body parts when they disintegrate after flipping over backwards and impacting the water.

Just the kind of carnage that atracts the casual (and callous) fan.
The part about the fans is unfortunately true for most motorsports.

I have seen quite a number of crashes while crewing for the U-3 in the pits or as a spectator. It's not something I want to see, especially when I may know the driver or forlks on the team.

Fortunately, as spectacular as the unlimited crashes are, the driver almost always survives thanks to a reinforced safety capsule designed to stay intact as the boat disintegrates. IIRC, there have only been 2 deaths since 1988 when the capsules were first mandated and those were due more to freak circumstances thananything else.
 

RabbitGTI

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Jul 20, 1997
Location
Wisconsin
TDI
B4 Passat Sedan
need4speed said:
Hell, the same can be said for ANY pro sport. (ie. they're not allowed to take steroids - wink-wink-nudge nudge). It's ALL entertainment now. Very little substance to be found, anywhere. Maybe in amateur sports. (it would be just SAD if someone was doing steroids to compete in amateur sports - but they're probably doing it there too. . . )
NASCAR is completely gutted, but I see your point. Only motorsports that is worth watching is F1 or the boys at the local short track. As far as stick and ball stuff goes, high school sports is where it's at.
 

Matt-98AHU

Loose Nut Behind the Wheel Vendor
Joined
Apr 23, 2006
Location
Gresham, OR
TDI
2001 Golf TDI, 2005 Passat wagon, 2004 Touareg V10.
DPM said:
Ever watched WRC, rabbitGTI?
Unfortunately, SPEED Channel here in the U.S. stopped showing WRC. I miss Nicky Grist :(
 

RabbitGTI

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Jul 20, 1997
Location
Wisconsin
TDI
B4 Passat Sedan
DPM said:
Ever watched WRC, rabbitGTI?
Uh, ya, I ****ed up there. Another pure form that we no longer see in the USA because of all-cabs, all the time.:mad: Gotta throw Superbikes into the worth watching list too.
 

need4speed

Veteran Member
Joined
May 4, 2004
Well, on the other hand, they used to race horses and chariots, and the audience liked it when you spiked your opponent's wheels, or got sloppy with the horse whip. . .

Human nature?
 

hotrodsteve

Banned
Joined
Apr 29, 2010
Location
Houston Texas
TDI
1999 wagon
Nascar

Nascar is a great sport. The thing people dont understand about it is its more than just turning left. There are road courses. But there is a science about it. Most people dont even know how nascar started. Some people dont even know that they used to race on sand. The people who watch a race just to see a crash are morons. Those guys are risking their life usually at speeds of 150 to 180 mph or about. And all they want to see is a wreck. Watch for the pit strategy, when to pit or not to pit. There is alot, and i mean alot more to racing than crashes. Those people make me sick. Now personally i think nascar has gone down hill since dale earnhardt sr died. Back then nascar was more worried about the fans. Now all they care about is money money money. They dont want us to see a good race. All these stupid rules. Let them race. There does have to be a point at which you govern the drivers, i know that, but come on. Rubbings racing. Nascar is to worried about making every one a fan. Your not going to get every white collar person watching nascar. Ill be honest, Nascar is a blue collar sport, if you like it or not. That is how it started and that is how it should be. Guys like the King or Dale Sr. Sr dropped out of 9th grade to race at his local track. He didnt even have enough money to paint his first car so he left it bright pink. White collar folk dont care about that. Its the working class that take that to heart. To see their hero out there on the race track every sunday or maybe sat night.
 

SonyAD

banned Borat
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Location
București, România
TDI
Peugeot 206 2.0 HDi
Silliness. I don't think you even need to turn the steering wheel much as the cars are tuned to drift left. The technology is primitive. The cars are fugly. They just go round and round in a doughnut.

Here's a thought, try concave circuits. One bloody corner, 's all.

Keepin' it simple for the hick audience, prolly.
 

ncroadwarrior

Veteran Member
Joined
Aug 26, 2005
Location
Beaufort, NC
TDI
04 JSW bew
Nascar left me long ago...there is NO stock car racing left,
HOWEVER if you still desire to see good side by side racing , reasonable ticket prices, no restrictor plates etc ....
Check out the dirt track races, yes friends and neighbors,
No Radios, No rear view mirrors, No restrictor plates....there's open wheel racin too....

http://www.worldofoutlaws.com/

always at Charlotte event for the finals of both classes, really good show ....800 hp ... 1350#
talk about most bang for the buck 25.00 primo tickets

Asphalt is now for getting to the track:D
 

Sundowner

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Location
NJ
TDI
None yet
hotrodsteve said:
Nascar is a great sport. The thing people dont understand about it is its more than just turning left. There are road courses. But there is a science about it. Most people dont even know how nascar started. Some people dont even know that they used to race on sand. The people who watch a race just to see a crash are morons. Those guys are risking their life usually at speeds of 150 to 180 mph or about. And all they want to see is a wreck. Watch for the pit strategy, when to pit or not to pit. There is alot, and i mean alot more to racing than crashes. Those people make me sick. Now personally i think nascar has gone down hill since dale earnhardt sr died. Back then nascar was more worried about the fans. Now all they care about is money money money. They dont want us to see a good race. All these stupid rules. Let them race. There does have to be a point at which you govern the drivers, i know that, but come on. Rubbings racing. Nascar is to worried about making every one a fan. Your not going to get every white collar person watching nascar. Ill be honest, Nascar is a blue collar sport, if you like it or not. That is how it started and that is how it should be. Guys like the King or Dale Sr. Sr dropped out of 9th grade to race at his local track. He didnt even have enough money to paint his first car so he left it bright pink. White collar folk dont care about that. Its the working class that take that to heart. To see their hero out there on the race track every sunday or maybe sat night.
the intent, strategy, and enjoyment of duration racing is spot on. The relevance, purpose, and focus of NASCAR is what's at fault. I personally have no issue with how the sport is performed on the track. What I do have issue with is that the sport offers NOTHING back to society whereas one upon a time R&D work on the big ovals spurred production model R&D. I'm sure you remember the concept of "win on sunday, sell on monday". That's dead. "Stock" cars are dead. Technology on the track is dead (for f's sake, they still use carbs!) Professionalism of the competitors is dead (and happily condoned by NASCAR for the sole sake of ratings).

And let's be honest, the reputation of the average NASCAR fanbase has pretty much degraded to where general consensus is that if you see a three tooth yokel in the supermarket grabbing his sister's hindquarters while glady paying $8 for a jug of Tide, he's probably a NASCAR fan. Whether or not that's true is irrelevant. that's the perception outside the sport.

Want someone to give a flying f about NASCAR then scrap the bogus cars. Give them the option prepping a comerically available hybrid or diesel car, and let them have at it. With that kind of funding and competition, in 10 years, we'd all be driving 300 HP cars that got 100 mpg.
 

Victor Huge

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2009
Location
Alberta
TDI
Mk7 Golf TDI
I would rather receive bowel surgery in the woods with a stick than watch nascar. Bunch of retards driving around in circles entertaining more retards when they crash. Yaaaaay...
 

bigEZ

Veteran Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2005
Location
out there
TDI
2013 Jetta Sportwagen; 2006 New Beetle
It's funny how little most of you know, or are willing to learn, about NASCAR. Sure, there's a lot they need to improve upon, but the sport is not nearly as primitive or behind-the-times as most of you think. Personally, I'd rather spend the time learning about something first before I spouted off ignorant opinions which are mainly subjective and not factually based.
 

SonyAD

banned Borat
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Location
București, România
TDI
Peugeot 206 2.0 HDi
If it weren't for the regulations, all the gay'ol'boys of Nascar would have their asses handed to them by most any Euro or Jap manufacturer just like Ford would have done had the 427 SOHC been allowed to rape the drag queens.

Nowadays, on a real circuits, with turns, with endurance racing, they'd all get their clocks cleaned by a Lotus Elise or something like that. That's if their valvetrains could last the race.
 

Jetta SS

Veteran Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2006
Location
Grand Bay, AL
TDI
'98 Jetta
I used to work with a hardcore NASCAR fan. Guy had a motorhome he'd drive to the races that was decked out. It had daiquiri machines and a full bar inside. The top was rigged up as a viewing deck. He made it sound like one big party.
 

Victor Huge

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2009
Location
Alberta
TDI
Mk7 Golf TDI
Speaking for myself; I hate on nascar because after doing all the research I still cannot imagine how people consider it any fun. From light reading, it seems people just want to see crashes. Where is the skill in going 180mph or whatever in a straight line and then turning slightly and crashing in a huge pile when one guy spins out?
Given the chance, a lot of people could do well in nascar
 

White Crow

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 21, 2007
Location
Maine
TDI
2002 gls tdi
Want to watch racing go to the F1 races or better yet the Pro Rally it's even more fun in the winter snow!
 
Top