I voted for him twice, but agree completely with you.Meanwhile, the EPA has put quite a tough set of restrictions on the automakers. AND, OUR PRESIDENT, (Congress and Senate also) IS EITHER UNWILLING OR TO STUPID TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I voted for him twice, but agree completely with you.Meanwhile, the EPA has put quite a tough set of restrictions on the automakers. AND, OUR PRESIDENT, (Congress and Senate also) IS EITHER UNWILLING OR TO STUPID TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I must have hit a nerve . Lack leadership during the 80s in thenWhite House to push Americans to purchase high mpg diesel alternatives back in the 80s . That the worthless leader in the White House in the 80s did push the Saudies to have less than $10 a barrel in the mid 80s did lead the US into the mess we find ourselves . The lowest fleet mpgs since the early 70s . I don't see how you can see what they did in anyother way . Sorry if the facts hurt , but this is what happened .debensey said:So, why didn't people buy them? Was Reagan standing at the dealerships with a shotgun?
People turned away from diesels because gas was cheap. Temporarily.
It was the same reason that they turned away from small, efficient gasoline models. Because of $10/ barrel oil and $.95/ gallon gas. That is the simple explanation.
But, if you prefer to believe is some enormous conspiracy, nothing but reason will stop you.
Sigh. Do we need to have the hybrid-battery-recycling discussion *every* *single* friggin' week?tdisedanman said:However, Large SUVs have tax incentives as do hybrids which will pollute with wasted batteries. So, you tell me who is getting it up the @ss?
If it were only that simple.rotarykid said:You do the math for every SUV or pick up truck getting 10 mpg suddenly replaced by a 45 to 50 mpg computor controlled diesel powered vehicles .
You do you the math and big oil has they see $$$$ lost . I don't thank any more explanation is required on why diesels are being regulated out of existance in the US .
Then why are hybrids being pushed down our throats?rotarykid said:If diesels do take their place at the head of the US auto industry of cars being sold in the US the oil commpany do stand to loose billions in reduced oil use .
You do the math for every SUV or pick up truck getting 10 mpg suddenly replaced by a 45 to 50 mpg computor controlled diesel powered vehicles .
You do you the math and big oil has they see $$$$ lost . I don't thank any more explanation is required on why diesels are being regulated out of existance in the US .
Because the posted mpgs on Hybrids aren't close to what is actually achieved in a hybrid . Also the extra cost of a hybrid means they will never sell enough of them to threaten oil companies profit margins . At most may 1 to 2 % of total auto sales in the US .scrubber said:Then why are hybrids being pushed down our throats?
In the short run they do not give raises. In the long run they do. There is no choice - I look after myself, so when I'm not making enough money I look elsewhere.MrMopar said:Where do you get the half-baked idea that bosses hand out raises as soon as the cost of consumer goods rises? I work in a machine shop for $8 per hour. A while ago I asked my shop foreman for a raise because nearly everything had gotten more expensive in the past two years, like you said in your post. He looked at me and pointed to Javier (one of my co-workers) and said "If you don't want the job, Javier probably has about 10 brothers who can come right in and do it for less pay."
And he's right - Javier himself is an illegal who gets paid cash because the social security number he bought a few months ago belongs to a deadbeat dad, so his first paycheck had child support missing for a kid that wasn't even his. We make the same amount of money, but Javier takes home 20% more by virtue of not being taxed.
Point being: Everyone looks out for their own pocketbook, no one who is your supervisor is there to care about you.
Don't tell me to do the math, I want to see your figures. I want to know that you are putting rational thought into what you are saying. I want you to put real economic theories into use. Don't just jump on board with random conspiracy theories without good information.rotarykid said:If diesels do take their place at the head of the US auto industry of cars being sold in the US the oil commpany do stand to loose billions in reduced oil use .
You do the math for every SUV or pick up truck getting 10 mpg suddenly replaced by a 45 to 50 mpg computor controlled diesel powered vehicles .
You do you the math and big oil has they see $$$$ lost . I don't thank any more explanation is required on why diesels are being regulated out of existance in the US .
Oh, that's a brilliant plan - a real frickin' swiss watch . . .hank miller said:In the short run they do not give raises. In the long run they do. There is no choice - I look after myself, so when I'm not making enough money I look elsewhere.
I assume you called INS that very day? I too look after myself, and when someone else is getting more money than me because he is illegal, I will demand changes.
Just because you are ignoring the facts doesn't mean that the fact aren't out there . Replace a 10 mpg vehicle 50 mpg vehicle equals a car that goes 5 times further on the same gal of fuel . I/5 the fuel used per new diesel sold doese equal much money lost for the oil companies .cptmox said:Don't tell me to do the math, I want to see your figures. I want to know that you are putting rational thought into what you are saying. I want you to put real economic theories into use. Don't just jump on board with random conspiracy theories without good information.
What makes you feel this way? What are your sources? Where do you get your numbers? Do you have any interesting links, any tangible evidence to bring to the discussion? Or are you just rambling on and on with misinformation that is generated in your own head, spurred on by an unwavering hatred of all things Republican?
Bring some good information to the discussion, help us to understand your point of view.
I will help you get started on your research:
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/fuel_economy/the-diesel-dilemma.html
This article talks in a nice refreshingly non-partisan way about the ins and outs of diesel and gas engines, but makes points that MOST of us already understand. The beauty of this page lies in the links on the right side; there looks to be some links to many of the topics you have brought up, and they very well may support some of your statements.
I would expect you can tip off the INS anonymously in the same way you can tip off the police about drug dealers. It might not come to anything as they seem quite lax in enforcement in most areas in any case. You might do better tipping off the IRS anonymously, although that might lead them to check out everyone working for that company.MrMopar said:Oh, that's a brilliant plan - a real frickin' swiss watch . . .
Illinois is an "employment at will" state. My employer can fire me for ANY reason (with exceptions for protected status such as race, sex, etc.) or he doesn't have to give any reason at all. Do I want to go about calling INS to report this guy, or do I want to keep my job for a while longer?
I'll keep the job that meagerly pays my rent and puts food on the table, simply because there isn't anything else out there. Plus, this previous employer would just blacklist me when it comes time for referrals. It's been done to me before when I tried to take the moral high ground, and that's why I work for $8 an hour.
It is true that you cannot see any stars in the background of the pictures taken on the moon.Old Navy said:Hahahahahahahaha Love reading this thread.
I'm supprised someone hasn't brought up the "fake lunar landings".
What 10mpg vehicle is going to suddenly turn into a 50mpg vehicle? I'm assuming you mean a like sized vehicle, for example a Ford Excursion (which BTW has a diesel option that can get you 18mpg). There is currently no way to suddenly change such a vehicle into a 50mpg vehicle with any sort of cost effectiveness. Nobody could afford it even if Detroit could produce it.rotarykid said:Just because you are ignoring the facts doesn't mean that the fact aren't out there . Replace a 10 mpg vehicle 50 mpg vehicle equals a car that goes 5 times further on the same gal of fuel .
And the fact that greed is the only reason diesel cost much more than gasoline .
My facts don't need any extra info .
And near my workplace, there is a place selling diesel at $2.45 a gallon. Granted, that is an exception, since typically in the area it is about $2.67-$2.79 right now.gbg_tdi said:There's an independent station selling diesel for $2.49 a gallon near where I live. He's very busy. It's interesting to see all the TDIs do business there...
My Jeep Liberty CRD has a new gizmo called a viscous heater that gets the CRD warmed up just as fast as my gasser Magnum. Do a search on the internet as someone here likes to say. Our CRD strarts and runs quiter at 20*F then my '90 Nissan PU truck, that thing always sounded like it was falling apart when it was cold.Cincy_Mike said:I believe the general public will have a low opinion on how long efficient cars take to warm up in the winter.
A 1960s Jaguar XJS could easily go from < 10 mpg to > 50 mpg by trading that gas drinking V12 for a modern diesel. From what I understand about those cars, owners will like the idea of going a full tank between breakdowns more than the greater range per tank that the diesel will get.cptmox said:What 10mpg vehicle is going to suddenly turn into a 50mpg vehicle? I'm assuming you mean a like sized vehicle, for example a Ford Excursion (which BTW has a diesel option that can get you 18mpg). There is currently no way to suddenly change such a vehicle into a 50mpg vehicle with any sort of cost effectiveness. Nobody could afford it even if Detroit could produce it.
Your ecconomic lession is a little short. Nike charges $140 for shoes because that is the maximum profit point. They could charge more, but already people are not buying. They could charge less (and in fact they have cheaper models that cost just as much to make- but they are not Air Jordans), but they have decided that the greater amount of shoes they would sell is not worth it.cptmox said:Greed is the only thing that drives diesel prices? Greed will always be apart of everything. A very select few people will work for the lowest salary they can get by with. Companies that keep their prices below the price set by a free market economy don't stay in business. Don't confuse charging the max. price that a free market allows with greed.
Why does Nike charge $140 for a pair of Air Jordans? Because they can.
Why does Jim Carrey demand $40 million per movie? Because he can. $10 a ticket at the movies really burns me up, BUT... I still go.
Superbowl tickets are going for $3500 ea. because somebody is buying them.
Gas is a little different, because our society is so dependant on it, but most of us aren't required to drive gas guzzlers. We choose to.
Diesel pickups are hugely popular down in Texas, and are easily the most popular engine choice among the >1/2-ton crowd. They don't have to worry too much about cold morning starts, they cover great highway distances, and there is also the horse trailer folks (my father-in-law included).tdireader said:In the last week I saw 4 new A5 tdis, 5 A4 tdis, 2 Liberty CRDs, 4 MB 300ds (3 in a single day!!!), and a large number(10+) of powerstroke/cummins trucks.
This doesn't count the two within a block from my home.
I think diesel will catch on if the supply is there at a critical point. If enough people buy them during a demand spike like after Katrina, they become an accepted commodity. However, limited supplies will keep (or slow) this from happenning.
EPA requirements are another story. If supply is zero, noone gets a diesel.