Never heard of either, but I'm about to look into them. I have heard a number of industry experts say that the early days of EVs are similar to the early days of ICEVs in that there are/will be a multitude of entrants. There were many dozens of US automakers in the early 20th century, but by the 50's it was down to just a handful. I expect we'll see a similar (and probably expedited) narrowing of the field with EVs. Who knows, maybe those two will have the right stuff.