Who’s going to Tesla after their current TDI?

tikal

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An interesting take on gas prices and it does apply to the USA.
I found it odd that this presenter compares the price of an Equinox EV being competitive vs its ICE counterpart as if they are seamlessly interchangeble. I would not think so. If an Equinox EV is your only vehicle then you are stuck with it for road trips and evacuation scenarios 😳 Now, if there was a Equinox hybrid for sale then, that's definitively a fair comparison to the Equinox ICE.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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Story from long ago: in the early 2000s I bought a B4V from a fellow in New Orleans who had inherited it from his father-in-law, who bought it new. This was right after Katrina, and he had evacuated to Texas twice: once for Katrina and once for Rita. He told me that when evacuating for Rita he sat on a highway in Texas for 13 hours in traffic stopped dead. The Passat idled the whole time, A/C on, keeping him, his wife, and their dog comfortable in the hot rainy weather. It used about 4 gallons of diesel. People were running out of fuel all around him, and he was concerned he'd be carjacked before the traffic moved again. Happily, that didn't happen.
 

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Story from long ago: in the early 2000s I bought a B4V from a fellow in New Orleans who had inherited it from his father-in-law, who bought it new. This was right after Katrina, and he had evacuated to Texas twice: once for Katrina and once for Rita. He told me that when evacuating for Rita he sat on a highway in Texas for 13 hours in traffic stopped dead. The Passat idled the whole time, A/C on, keeping him, his wife, and their dog comfortable in the hot rainy weather. It used about 4 gallons of diesel. People were running out of fuel all around him, and he was concerned he'd be carjacked before the traffic moved again. Happily, that didn't happen.
A 13-16 L HD trucks will only burn 1/4-1/2 a gallon of fuel per hour idling on a "rough" idle depending on the temperature. Have left them running for 45+ hrs and barely seen the fuel gauge (on a 200 gallon tank, twin 100's) move. A parking heater would use more like a gallon per day for a cab/sleeper, but there were times I would be told "just run it" (if MX or "safety " says to do it, they are the bosses) rather than "opti-idle" to let it turn on/off to keep minimum temp/battery voltage and letting cabin heater run.
Anybody that's ever run a diesel, especially pre emissions ones have very little bad to say about diesels if they understand them and know how to leverage their strengths
It why I bought my 15 in 2014 knowing it might be the end of the line due to complexity if it wasn't done correctly knowing the issue engines had with "upgrades" to meet requirements vs redesigns, with hope it would be trouble free, and it was up until it was totaled.
Still halfway looking for a slightly older one as they get old enough to have the emissions part of the inspection here in NH goes away 😁
But living in rust country....the pickings are kinda slim unless I go cross-country for one from the south
 

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I found it odd that this presenter compares the price of an Equinox EV being competitive vs its ICE counterpart as if they are seamlessly interchangeble. I would not think so. If an Equinox EV is your only vehicle then you are stuck with it for road trips and evacuation scenarios 😳 Now, if there was a Equinox hybrid for sale then, that's definitively a fair comparison to the Equinox ICE.
Road trips, no longer a problem: https://news.gm.com/home.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2024/sep/0918-nacs.html
 

2004LB7

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That's assuming you trust the guy who with no authority is firing VA health care workers to not pull the plug on his chargers too...
You sound like someone who has no idea how the US government is structured or how it works.

Your assumption would apply to all government agencies. Not elected but appointed

And, I'm not sure how that would even benefit Elon to do that anyways
 

El Dobro

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I found it odd that this presenter compares the price of an Equinox EV being competitive vs its ICE counterpart as if they are seamlessly interchangeble. I would not think so. If an Equinox EV is your only vehicle then you are stuck with it for road trips and evacuation scenarios 😳 Now, if there was a Equinox hybrid for sale then, that's definitively a fair comparison to the Equinox ICE.
He said with tariffs on ICE cars built out of the country raising their prices approx. $3000, that would make American built EV prices more attractive and that was without tax incentives. So, maybe that would be a tipping point to consider an EV.

For road trips, if you're in a rush, you're not stuck, you just rent something and leave the EV home, or you fly. That's like a guy I work with that has a pick-up truck, in case he ever has to haul something someday. If I need a truck, I go to Home Depot and rent one. When done, I hop in my EV and go home.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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He said with tariffs on ICE cars built out of the country raising their prices approx. $3000, that would make American built EV prices more attractive and that was without tax incentives. So, maybe that would be a tipping point to consider an EV.

For road trips, if you're in a rush, you're not stuck, you just rent something and leave the EV home, or you fly. That's like a guy I work with that has a pick-up truck, in case he ever has to haul something someday. If I need a truck, I go to Home Depot and rent one. When done, I hop in my EV and go home.
As long as he's dealing with hypotheticals, did he take into account the possible elimination of the EV tax credit?
 

kjclow

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As long as he's dealing with hypotheticals, did he take into account the possible elimination of the EV tax credit?
He's all for killing the tax incentives on his competition. He sees that as a positive for his business structure. One reason why I'm eliminating one brand from my car search. Their systems are tied into starlink.
 

x1800MODMY360x

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I like how dodge ram is looking into gas powered generated electric pickup like Edison Motors and I saw an article that Ford is looking into it as well.

If I ever get the funds, I would do Diesel Electric pickup or a car conversion. I'm waiting for the dyno results that one company is doing for diesel electric.
 

tikal

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He said with tariffs on ICE cars built out of the country raising their prices approx. $3000, that would make American built EV prices more attractive and that was without tax incentives. So, maybe that would be a tipping point to consider an EV.

For road trips, if you're in a rush, you're not stuck, you just rent something and leave the EV home, or you fly. That's like a guy I work with that has a pick-up truck, in case he ever has to haul something someday. If I need a truck, I go to Home Depot and rent one. When done, I hop in my EV and go home.
I see the apology working in regards to the percentage of time I need a truck being small enough that I can rent it on some seldom occasions.

Not so in my view for road traveling, looking at 50/50 City/hwy that includes several road trips a year. I really would not want to rent a car every time I have a road trip.

Last, but not necessarily least, on a rare occurrence of an evacuation scenario, I would not feel comfortable to go and have to rent a car.
 

gearheadgrrrl

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You sound like someone who has no idea how the US government is structured or how it works.

Your assumption would apply to all government agencies. Not elected but appointed

And, I'm not sure how that would even benefit Elon to do that anyways
Then how the heck did I get darn near a million dollars in state and federal grants for my little town and it's 28 people?
 

gmenounos

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That's assuming you trust the guy who with no authority is firing VA health care workers to not pull the plug on his chargers too...
Nah, he's an idiot, but an idiot that likes to make money. Or hopefully the company will can him when they figure out how much damage he's doing to new sales.
 

El Dobro

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If I ever got rid of my TDI I'd probably look around for a Chevy Spark EV. Range isn't all that great but my daily drive is well within the distance. Small and nimble. With excellent power to weight ratio. Took one out on a test drive and it was a blast
The Spark EV is coming back, but not to the USA, of course.
GM just unveiled the Chevrolet Spark EUV, setting up a showdown with Kia’s EV3. Will the Spark EUV’s affordability outmaneuver the EV3’s tech in the battle for affordable electric supremacy? | Torque News
 

gearheadgrrrl

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Aren't most (like, the overwhelming majority of the government "workers") unelected? :D I think that right there is part of the problem.
This government worker was duly elected, though somebody will probably complain 'cause we used mail in ballots (saves us lotsa $$$). We could put every government job on the ballot, but it takes around 20 odd people to run a county and the ballots would get ridiculously long...
 

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Aren't most (like, the overwhelming majority of the government "workers") unelected? :D I think that right there is part of the problem.
They simply do that jobs with the authority given to them by their bosses who when you go far enough up the line hopefully results in somebody who was elected or more often appointed by an elected person...might be 10 steps away.
Many bureaucrats make rules daily with the power of law...it the secret to how the swamp works.
Gotta do lots of changes to change government cause it will fight to protect itself from changing.
When $$$ is spent on winner's and losers by government we get crap products ment to meet the requirements not the needs of the people or the market. Getting rid of government subsidies and interferes is IMHO a fast way to get better products and more efficient systems that has the potential to change the car market.
How many of us have said a cheap city car, basically a glorified golf cart commuter/in town car is the perfect way to meet the needs of people while limiting the negatives?
It's natural they be used that way and the charging systems grow organicly to allow longer trips as the cars get better. But nope ..had to start with $100k luxury status symbols that would self drive, filter your air, protect you from chemical weapons and were suitable for long drives?! Without infrastructure? Thank you government subsidies.
Kinda changed the market... typical of anytime the government is involved.
Net results...takes longer, costs more and less efficient to get to peoples goal. TRUE proof the road to hell is paved with good intentions
 

El Dobro

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If I ever got rid of my TDI I'd probably look around for a Chevy Spark EV. Range isn't all that great but my daily drive is well within the distance. Small and nimble. With excellent power to weight ratio. Took one out on a test drive and it was a blast
Checking out a new charging station, when I had the Spark EV.
 

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I took an EV diagnostics class this weekend and decided I dont like the Nissan leaf lol. I won't be working on them if I can help it. But probably going to start doing Tesla and Euro EVs soon.
 

El Dobro

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It looks like EV repair shops are doing a pretty good job making money on Leaf battery swaps.
 

El Dobro

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I was actually behind an A6 Jetta TDI on the way home from work today. Must be the first one I've seen in a year. In the meantime, I must have seen about 40 Teslas.
 

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There are just too many to list....
Well the Cybertruck quite literally looks like a dumpster. So much that there's been many instances of racoons (aka North American Trash Pandas) trying to chew through the edges of the "bed" cover just like they do with dumpsters in search of things to eat. :D
 
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