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Not what's really going on with them. This video is from someone who is there.China literally has piles of junked EVs laying around... lots so big they can be seen from space. Don't assume they are doing anything "right".
Not what's really going on with them. This video is from someone who is there.China literally has piles of junked EVs laying around... lots so big they can be seen from space. Don't assume they are doing anything "right".
EPA provides health & environmental damage cost estimates (EDX) for many emission source sectors in its "BenMAP" table (https://www.epa.gov/benmap/sector-based-pm25-and-ozone-benefit-ton-estimates)....And although electricity generation sometimes does involve the potential for air quality impacts and carbon emissions too, it can matter that the generation of those pollutants is NOT from a tailpipe. Both in terms of keeping the pollutant source away from the populations that could be harmed by it, and in terms of the mechanics of addressing the pollution itself....
So, basically you have 0 experience renting an EV. I've rented 3 and own 1:Have had rental places offer electric cars as a upgrade...and sometimes I think... maybe a better parking spot at the hotel (IF ITS OPEN) and when done I technically have to move it...
Plus takes away the flexibility in my free time to a certain extent... gotta do advanced mental gymnastics to plan my limited miles around any mini road trips or explain to the company I can't suddenly drive 200+ miles on short notice if an emergency of some type pops up.
Why would I need to know how many pound-feet to torque my camshaft bolt? Why would I think about what kind of engine oil to use or whether to install a bypass filter? Yet people here argue this kind of thing endlessly. I think you can handle it.According to the video, it wasn't the chargers. For some reason Kia shuts off battery preconditioning when the battery levels fall below 19%, which is, of course, when you need it. So some cells were cooler than others, and that caused the car to limit the charge rate.
When I watch that kind of stuff, I can't help but wonder: Why would I need to know this?
I bet if you converted what you paid for IBW into 2023 dollars, it wouldn't be a whole lot less than I paid for my Model 3 (after tax credits).d24tdi you're right that an EV is not the right tool for a long distance road trip. The problem is, manufacturers are selling EVs here that are large and luxurous, with big battery packs to maximize range. And they're expensive. If I'm going to spend $80-100K for a Lucid, Tesla Model S, or Mercedes EQE, I'm going to want to take it on a road trip, dammit.
If EV makers offered small, less expensive options here that would serve well as local, short distance tools that would be largely charged at home, then it would make more sense for many people to make the transition to EVs. I thought the Chevy Bolt was a good example of that type of EV, but it was discontinued. The e-Honda is another, but not offered here. Same with the new Renault 5, which might be the best example yet.
Instead we get a Silverado EV with a 100+kW battery and a $100K price tag. What a waste.
You have at least 2 TDIs and a BMW diesel. (And a freakin' 275 gallon diesel tank in your garage!) And you own a diesel parts store and you have a friend/guru available to do any maintenance you need. So, yeah, I get why you're not jumping on a new EV.I've posted this before: I am a good candidate for an EV for daily driving. My daily drive is usually less than 60 miles between commuting, shopping, etc.; and I live in a house with an attached garage where I could easily install a charger. If I kept a diesel for longer drives, I'd probably never have to charge away from home.
But why would I pay the price of a new EV, be it $30K or $80K, pay the higher taxes and insurance costs for a new car, and pay to have a charger installed, when I can continue to drive one of my old TDIs at very low cost? I wouldn't.
How do they meter the usage only to charge your car? I assume that charger must manage it and then your bill breaks down the electrical usage for charging at 2 cents/kwh. Cause that is a great price for electricity.I guess its not from cutting the fuel bill, be it gasoline or diesel from $200/$300 per month to nearly $5 per month for $0.02/KwHr at night electricity as BMW gives free level 3 charging for 2 years at VW owned Electrify America chargers. Of course mostly home-owners have this as well as the $7500 rebate currently at risk of being cancelled. Who knows what will happen.... but the EV's drive magnificently and are a threat to get speeding tickets as we have found, so the minor inconvenience of charging can be dealt with not too differently than finding proper diesel for cars not too long ago......
Um, never heard of this thing called the Government then, have you? All I can say is thank goodness I don't live in California, and thank goodness some of the nonsense is going to [hopefully] change now, even if it does mean the Telsa fanboys have had to remove their gold framed picture of Elon from their mantel.... And if you don't want an EV, there are a million choices. Nobody's telling you what you have to buy.
or one of those extremely retarded states who legally forced themselves to adopt Calif emissions standards.Um, never heard of this thing called the Government then, have you? All I can say is thank goodness I don't live in California
Yeah, seems unlikely, but I'm going to do my best. I'm hoping that within 6 or 7 years, I'll be retired and relocated somewhere where they don't drench the roads in salt every winter. I definitely won't be putting 500k miles on it, though.And I wouldn't bet on your Tesla being around in 20 years.
Yeah, seems unlikely, but I'm going to do my best. I'm hoping that within 6 or 7 years, I'll be retired and relocated somewhere where they don't drench the roads in salt every winter. I definitely won't be putting 500k miles on it, though.![]()
I know DEI is supposed to be dead but can you please refrain from using that word? thanksor one of those extremely retarded states who legally forced themselves to adopt Calif emissions standards.
NC has a bill on the floor to charge anyone with an electric vehicle $250 with their annual registration renewal. They are seeing that the more EVs on the road, the less fuel taxes paid. It also leads back to the argument that fuel taxes do not cover the full price of road upkeep. The last numbers I remember seeing are around 40% in most states. The remaining funds come out of property tax revenue.Please note ....I am sick of the arguments being virtue signaling..... omiting so many facts in reality.
I often read that the pro electric people are talking of the petroleum industry getting subsides...
Yet they forget all the public $$ going to build chargers...even chargers at business are often REQUIRED, so it in effect becomes a tax that ICE drivers get nothing from.
They omit the info on tax rebates or subsides on the initial purchase...money from people who can afford a 50+k car....
They then omit the fact while their cars are HEAVIER and HARDER on the roads, wearing them out faster like trucks, they DON'T PAY FUEL TAXES , so states don't get revenue from them driving to maintain the roads....so gas cars drivers are giving $$$ to people driving very $$$ cars to drive them cheaper or closer to the cost of a gas car....
Because battery cars are so heavy, simple things like parking garages are getting more $$ to be safe for the higher weights of battery cars...
Have I mentioned car insurance costs?? Going up for everyone, largely attributed to electric cars because a dent to the bottom of a Tesla, etc can total a car...yes documented and many stories.
Plus training and new equipment for fire departments...so many changes and $$$ getting spent on places people don't expect.
It's a huge $$$ and many electric car people seem to believe that all this $$$ doesn't affect the economy, inflation or anything else.
Don't think I am anti electric cars, but the typical electric car cheerleaders often omit any fact that's not convenient, using a playbook that includes omiting inconvenient facts claiming their cars are wonderful, cheaper per mile, safer, will save the world, and can I go on? It's so much virtue signaling it gets me ill at times...
The reality is it's a multi trillion dollar change that many of the people who are pushing the change are doing it because it's an opportunity for them to make $$$$ directly or indirectly.
Always follow the $$$.
Tax credits: Ever take the mortgage interest deduction? If so, your interest payments are being subsidized by those who can't afford to buy a house. If not, do you also hold a grudge against anyone with a mortgage who deducted their interest payments? There are lots and lots of tax credits and deductions in the federal and state tax codes (some even for fossil fuels!), so calling out just one is making it sound like you actually are anti-EV.Please note ....I am sick of the arguments being virtue signaling..... omiting so many facts in reality.
I often read that the pro electric people are talking of the petroleum industry getting subsides...
Yet they forget all the public $$ going to build chargers...even chargers at business are often REQUIRED, so it in effect becomes a tax that ICE drivers get nothing from.
They omit the info on tax rebates or subsides on the initial purchase...money from people who can afford a 50+k car....
They then omit the fact while their cars are HEAVIER and HARDER on the roads, wearing them out faster like trucks, they DON'T PAY FUEL TAXES , so states don't get revenue from them driving to maintain the roads....so gas cars drivers are giving $$$ to people driving very $$$ cars to drive them cheaper or closer to the cost of a gas car....
Because battery cars are so heavy, simple things like parking garages are getting more $$ to be safe for the higher weights of battery cars...
Have I mentioned car insurance costs?? Going up for everyone, largely attributed to electric cars because a dent to the bottom of a Tesla, etc can total a car...yes documented and many stories.
Plus training and new equipment for fire departments...so many changes and $$$ getting spent on places people don't expect.
It's a huge $$$ and many electric car people seem to believe that all this $$$ doesn't affect the economy, inflation or anything else.
Don't think I am anti electric cars, but the typical electric car cheerleaders often omit any fact that's not convenient, using a playbook that includes omiting inconvenient facts claiming their cars are wonderful, cheaper per mile, safer, will save the world, and can I go on? It's so much virtue signaling it gets me ill at times...
The reality is it's a multi trillion dollar change that many of the people who are pushing the change are doing it because it's an opportunity for them to make $$$$ directly or indirectly.
Always follow the $$$.
Obviously one set amount of tax on a car that might travel 10 miles or 100,000 in a year in ineffective and just a stop gap action....NC has a bill on the floor to charge anyone with an electric vehicle $250 with their annual registration renewal. They are seeing that the more EVs on the road, the less fuel taxes paid. It also leads back to the argument that fuel taxes do not cover the full price of road upkeep. The last numbers I remember seeing are around 40% in most states. The remaining funds come out of property tax revenue.
For EVs, NJ charges $250 on top of the $79 registration fee and it goes up $10 more each year for the next 3 years.NC has a bill on the floor to charge anyone with an electric vehicle $250 with their annual registration renewal. They are seeing that the more EVs on the road, the less fuel taxes paid. It also leads back to the argument that fuel taxes do not cover the full price of road upkeep. The last numbers I remember seeing are around 40% in most states. The remaining funds come out of property tax revenue.
Sounds like it will make owning an EV $$$ for a low miles driver that doesn't want the hassle of mx, fuel going bad in the tank, oil changes at extremely low miles due to time, etc...that an electric car could be ideal for. Real shame they are actively driving people away from electric cars that they would be perfect for, retirees or people who want a near zero mx local car.For EVs, NJ charges $250 on top of the $79 registration fee and it goes up $10 more each year for the next 3 years.
We're used to stuff like this in NJ. We call it BOHICA, Bend Over Here It Comes Again.Sounds like it will make owning an EV $$$ for a low miles driver that doesn't want the hassle of mx, fuel going bad in the tank, oil changes at extremely low miles due to time, etc...that an electric car could be ideal for. Real shame they are actively driving people away from electric cars that they would be perfect for, retirees or people who want a near zero mx local car.
Typical the more progressively liberal the state, the more of that happens. Everybody figures somebody else will pay for the "good" ideas and people are happy for it for a bit till they realize money is getting taken from one pocket, and then you get 50% less back cause the middleman always has his cut.We're used to stuff like this in NJ. We call it BOHICA, Bend Over Here It Comes Again.
Our governor, Comrade Murphy, thinks NJ is Kalifornia Lite.Typical the more progressively liberal the state, the more of that happens. Everybody figures somebody else will pay for the "good" ideas and people are happy for it for a bit till they realize money is getting taken from one pocket, and then you get 50% less back cause the middleman always has his cut.
States have been taxing gas for almost 100 years. It was probably the most practical way to pay for road upkeep back then but there are lots of ways that it's not accurate nor fair:It unfortunately leads us to a system that's suddenly like what commercial vehicles have...a per mile system, rather than being essentially prepaid by you when you fuel vehicles as you go....