White Diesel

tdihopeful

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Has anyone seen White Diesel? (Hydro Diesel) may be a Brand Name. This fuel is a Stabilized or on demand emulsion of H2O and Diesel fuel. This and variation of is what I am looking at using.

I have a few thoughts on why it could be an excellent fuel and at least one concern regarding its potential use in a Pump Duese engine.

In regards to using this fuel in the PD engine my fear is being that H20 is non-compressable from what I understand and with the extreme pressure of the PD's injections there could be injection damages in quick order.
 

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All liquids are non compressible (That doesn't mean that you can't generate massive pressure loads with it however) but in all cases WATER is not combustible in an engine. I've never heard of any kind of "water emulsion" idea but since oil and water don't mix - this seems destined to cause major problems if the fuel is allowed to sit quietly for any length of time - like say while you are sleeping through the night - and the water will naturally want to find other water molecules and settle out to the bottom of the tank - right where the pickup can collect a slug of pure water as you are leaving to go to work the next morning.

This sounds like snake oil that doesn't pass the logic test.
 

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I will ask this here: water and diesel don't mix we know, but Biodiesel will absorb a small amount of water; I do not know the exact percentage. I just thought of another question: will the water separators in our fuel filters separate the water from Bio-D, or just D2?
 

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I don’t think they will. They work because the oil and water are separate, with the water on the bottom. Once the water is absorbed, it won’t drop to the bottom of the filter.

Iif the water really is absorbed, it may not be a problem. But I’m just guessing there. If anyone knows, please join in.
 

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As a sailor the LAST place I want an experimental fuel is in my boat! When I need my motor there are times I REALLY need it... let’s getting away from problems I can’t sail around.

I love running WVO in my vw based diesels, but I HAVE to have my boat motor start instantly to get me out of trouble...

still, I’d love to hear more on this and the why/ how’s

regards
Steve
 

NewTdi

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Sounds as a similar fuel to Propel Fuels HPR (high Performance Renewable)
 

nicklockard

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No, it's not like Propel's fuel. Propel converts esters to fully hydrogenated alkane blends. This is a stable emulsion of water and diesel fuel, and there is a mountain of papers (see Southwest Institute, etc..) to support it. I'd give it a try if I could find it.
 

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steam probably, a pint of water makes nearly a cubic yard of steam
 

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Water is cheap, I don’t know if the process to combine them is, or how it’s done. Going to ask my good friend Captain Combustion about this, licensed boiler mechanic and architect of my avatar
 

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This idea has been around for over 20 years. Also gasoline/water emulsions. I don't see it going anywhere so close to the end of the ICE era. One major problem I'd imagine is fuel stability. Water and fuel combined gives the microbes and algae an all they can eat buffet
 

tdihopeful

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240 the control of microbe proliferation is a potentially useful point for me to consider in design/modification of a fuel system.
 
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