What oil would you use without a DPF?

[elitegunslinger]

I have read many threads about oil for cars with their DPF intact, what oil would you use if your DPF wasn't there and ash content was no longer a factor?

Does anyone have any preferences to an alternative oil? Perhaps one that would be cheaper or better for the motor rather than the DPF.

This is a quote from Toeball off another forum

Running a higher bio-blend is ok, even running B100, but keep in mind you'll need to change your oil more often. Also with the DPF gone, 507 oil is no longer required since the main difference between 505 and 507 is the reduction in ash to protect the DPF.

Also I found this in the TDI FAQ section:

Mobil Delvac 1, 5w40 (full synthetic, a reformulated version of Mobil 1 which is intended for diesel engines)
Chevron Delo 400, 5w40 (full synthetic version)
Shell Rotella T (full synthetic version, not to be confused with Rotella SB synthetic blend or regular Rotella T non-synthetic)
Amsoil Series 3000, 5w30 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated)
Amsoil High Performance, 10w40 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated)
Amsoil semi-synthetic 15w40 (CH-4 rated and high quality, but almost as expensive as the full synthetic, and higher viscosity at low temperatures)
Redline, synthetic version (make sure you get the type meant for diesel engines, with the CG-4 or CH-4 rating)

Any opinions or preferences?

 

[Henrick]

I think 505.01. I think I saw some recomendations by Skoda to use 505.01 instead of 504.00 (for gasoline engines) if the engine wasn't due for the LongLife service. I guess that applies for diesel too.

 

[pknopp]

With changes only due every 10k miles I wouldn't make the determiniation on the cost of the oil.

I imagine that at some point in the future if my DPF goes bad that I will just chuck it also but I will probably just stick with the oil that I used up to that point.

 

[TDI_Dan]

MB 229.51 spec 5w40 has been discussed often as well.

 

[Bob_Fout]

API CJ-4 5w40 is an option.

 

[tdi90hp]

IF you chuck the DPF...does that not go against emissions rules, forum rules (illegal mods), and does it not kind of say to the world....hey...I am special...I dont give a hoot about the environment....I can do what I want even though it's not real kosher....just sayin...

 

[lou95gts]

Hey TDI90, there is endless discussion on the MKIV about egr deletes.....just sayin'

 

[whitedog]

IF you chuck the DPF...does that not go against emissions rules, forum rules (illegal mods), and does it not kind of say to the world....hey...I am special...I dont give a hoot about the environment....I can do what I want even though it's not real kosher....just sayin...

He isn't discussing the DPF delete. He is asking about oil. The DPF delete isn't a discussion here until you brought it up.

 

[tdi90hp]

He isn't discussing the DPF delete. He is asking about oil. The DPF delete isn't a discussion here until you brought it up.

hate to disagree with you sir but the OP specifically said "if the DPF was not there"....not there or delete is kind of the same thing isnt it?? Please explain why deleting the DPF is not part of his original question....not following you

 

[whitedog]

The DPF is gone or will be gone. Why it's gone has no bearing on his question about oil.

 

[tdi90hp]

The DPF is gone or will be gone. Why it's gone has no bearing on his question about oil.

then if its gone....its been either removed or worn out and NOT replaced....which is against emissions regulations I believe unless of course the car can pass the smog tests with NO DPF but as you know the DPF is critical in keeping the car clean....so the fact that it is gone means something happened to it....I did not just crawl away....

 

[Ski in NC]

As these cars age up, it is inevitable that the dpf's will start to clog and fail. With an old high mileage car it may not be economic to restore the whole emission system to factory. Illegal, yes. But in the broader context it does no more environmental harm than continuing to drive an ALH car. In fact, by delaying the junking the car and replacing with new, the emissions that come with manufacture and transport are at least delayed.

Seems a valid discussion about the oil. He's not advocating gutting a dpf, and we don't know the circumstances that might have brought the question to his mind. He's not posting to discuss THAT. Others have steered the thread in that direction, which is unfortunate.

 

[whitedog]

then if its gone....its been either removed or worn out and NOT replaced....which is against emissions regulations I believe unless of course the car can pass the smog tests with NO DPF but as you know the DPF is critical in keeping the car clean....so the fact that it is gone means something happened to it....I did not just crawl away....

Yes, it's gone. The question is "now what"? There is no reason to bring up why it's gone or the good and bad, other than to be a troll.

The question is about OIL.

 

[pknopp]

Well, I am special.

 

[Softrockrenegade]

Way to get the boys all fired up elite

 

[elitegunslinger]

I think 505.01. I think I saw some recomendations by Skoda to use 505.01 instead of 504.00 (for gasoline engines) if the engine wasn't due for the LongLife service. I guess that applies for diesel too.

MB 229.51 spec 5w40 has been discussed often as well.

API CJ-4 5w40 is an option.

I will continue to explore these; thanks dudes

Way to get the boys all fired up elite

You know how I am, always being controversial with my hypothetical topics and such.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Any data from anywhere or any common rail engines that shows that 507.00 5W30 isn't a good choice? I've had several conversations with folks about running Pentosin HP2 in common rails because it's a 5W40 and still meets M-B 229.51 which means it's DPF-friendly for those who still have them in place. I considered it on my 1st oil change but decided to stick with 507.00 because I've heard nothing about any wear issues, cam or otherwise, in common rail engines.

 

[Ski in NC]

Roller cam followers on the CR engines probably makes oil selection a little less critical than earlier flat follower engines, once you take the DPF ash requirements out of the picture.

 

[Hwy_Demon]

So without having to worry about any ash issues now that the DPF is out. Which Oil is good or better for the CR engines that is tuned?

Also what about additives? I spoke with a VW TDi mechanic that stated that additives are not a good idea with DPF, but now that mine is gone could I use and if yes which ones?

 

[TNriverjet]

Warning, "on-topic" comments follow:
My original thoughts about oil was the difficulty in finding the VW spec 507.00 oil... Some of the 505 oils are easier to find... Now that I'm comfortable with my source on 507, I would likely just stick with that even with a small price premium since it is recommended for this engine... I realize we are mainly concerned with the oil's ability to retain viscosity and performance with diesel fuel contamination due to active regens. However, I would still stay with 507. IDParts only shows a $10 difference between kits of 507 and 505 with filters.

 

[IFRCFI]

IF you chuck the DPF...does that not go against emissions rules, forum rules (illegal mods), and does it not kind of say to the world....hey...I am special...I dont give a hoot about the environment....I can do what I want even though it's not real kosher....just sayin...

Elites thread on his DPF delete is about 4 months old, and several hundred posts deep, and has reached epic status. The mods have abandoned the illegal mods rule...completely. Do a search on his user name...and enjoy the reading.

BTW....your posts and your tone make you come across as a tool...just sayin...

 

[tdi90hp]

Yes, it's gone. The question is "now what"? There is no reason to bring up why it's gone or the good and bad, other than to be a troll.

The question is about OIL.

easy dog easy....if it's gone ... Any smog tests out there? Just sayin....If its gone and smog rules are lax then probably ok on the club...if you pull a DPF in other places where emissions are stricter maybe the moderator would have an opinion on this thread....

 

[dzelldog]

then if its gone....its been either removed or worn out and NOT replaced....which is against emissions regulations I believe unless of course the car can pass the smog tests with NO DPF but as you know the DPF is critical in keeping the car clean....so the fact that it is gone means something happened to it....I did not just crawl away....

The extra fuel wasted to operate these emission controls are not justifiable. The loss of 50 hp on the new TDIs is ridicules. This also amounts to around 7 mpg wasted! Give me a break. Maybe we should all drive electric cars powered by the coal powered power plants!

 

[whitedog]

easy dog easy....if it's gone ... Any smog tests out there? Just sayin....If its gone and smog rules are lax then probably ok on the club...if you pull a DPF in other places where emissions are stricter maybe the moderator would have an opinion on this thread....

This thread is about oil, not DPFs.

 

[tdi90hp]

ok.... 5w40 synthetic. Delvac is the best IMHO. the 5w30 is low ash for the DPF...the DPF has dissapeared so why use 5W30É

 

[elitegunslinger]

The extra fuel wasted to operate these emission controls are not justifiable. The loss of 50 hp on the new TDIs is ridicules. This also amounts to around 7 mpg wasted! Give me a break. Maybe we should all drive electric cars powered by the coal powered power plants!

Agreed; it's crazy to think people believe that electric vehicles don't have a massive carbon footprint even before they have been used and require additional batteries later on exacerbating the issue of carbon emissions. Then we must take into account how the electricity was produced, which is most likely coal and dirtier than anything a car or truck would produce. But we are here to talk about oil, not uneducated hippies looking for a flower power mobile unicorn that just isn't here yet

ok.... 5w40 synthetic. Delvac is the best IMHO. the 5w30 is low ash for the DPF...the DPF has dissapeared so why use 5W30É

Yes and here we have it folks, the first suggestion! Thanks for the input, anyone else have a suggestion on their favorite fluid?

 

[Henrick]

Any data from anywhere or any common rail engines that shows that 507.00 5W30 isn't a good choice? I've had several conversations with folks about running Pentosin HP2 in common rails because it's a 5W40 and still meets M-B 229.51 which means it's DPF-friendly for those who still have them in place. I considered it on my 1st oil change but decided to stick with 507.00 because I've heard nothing about any wear issues, cam or otherwise, in common rail engines.

I think there is some data. TDI-CR iron levels similar to PD with a failing camshaft in UOAs. CJ-4 might work better.

We have one member here (don't remember the name) who runs CJ-4 in a 3.0 TDI Touareg with excellent wear results and his DPF is still there and alive.

 

[elitegunslinger]

I think there is some data. TDI-CR iron levels similar to PD with a failing camshaft in UOAs. CJ-4 might work better.
We have one member here (don't remember the name) who runs CJ-4 in a 3.0 TDI Touareg with excellent wear results and his DPF is still there and alive.

CJ4 SYNTHETIC OILS ONLY

Amsoil DEO 5W40
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/deo.aspx

Amsoil DME 15W40
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/dme.aspx

Chevron DELO 400 LE 5W40
https://www.cbest.chevron.com/generated/MSDS/PDS31745219.PDF

ConocoPhillips Triton ECT 5w40
http://www.conocophillipslubricants....0TDS%20Web.pdf

Esso XD3 Extra 0W30 - 0W40
http://www.esso.ca/Canada-English/Files/Products_Lubes/IOCAENCVLESEsso_Xd-3_extra.pdf

Mobil 1 Delvac ESP 5W40
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_ESP_5W-40.asp

Mobil 1 TDT 5W40
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck_5W-40.asp

PC DURON E Synthetic 0W40
http://lubricants.petro-canada.ca/en/products/603.aspx

Schaeffer S9000 5W40
http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme_9000.html
VOA - http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=223637

Shell Rotella T6 5W40
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework...rotella-en/html/iwgen/products/t6_detail.html

Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5W40
http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products/product_detail.asp?product=103

These look promising, Rotella T6 would be easier and much cheaper for me to obtain than the 507 oil I used during my 40k service (Castrol SLX 5W30). The increased engine protection sounds nice too

 

[Bob_Fout]

There is a thread (linked in my sig) dedicated to CJ-4 discussion

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=215098

 

[Shaft]

Ya I 2nd the Rotella T6 since there is no DPF. I have used it religiously in all my cars and the Hayabusa.

I wish it was 507 00 tho