What injectors and turbo should I run

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
Hi guys, I have a 1989 Toyota pickup that I’m building an ahu tdi for. I got the block, heads and crank all machined. Cylinders are 20 over, I’ve got maxspeedingrods h beam forged rods and it’s gonna have head studs as well. I’m just looking to see what injectors and turbo combo would be best to get the most power I can without risking the motor. The motor will be tuned by Malone tuning.
 

JordanTr

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2022
Location
Kimberley, BC
TDI
1996 B4V x2, 2006 Dmax, 2005 Allroad, 2005 BHW
You should do some reading on the Burpod tunes. 0.260 injectors, 11mm pump, FMIC, GTD1752 or similar turbo would likely be good items for the hardware shopping cart.
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
You should do some reading on the Burpod tunes. 0.260 injectors, 11mm pump, FMIC, GTD1752 or similar turbo would likely be good items for the hardware shopping cart.
Ok thankyou, I’ll have to look into those for sure
 

lemoncurd

Veteran Member
Joined
May 24, 2019
Location
Eastern CT
TDI
2013 CJAA GTB2266
Is there something wrong with Malone tuning? I looked into him a while back and liked it, but that was over a year ago
you can dig through my post history to get a rundown of what modern malone tuning looks like

mr burpod also wrote a nice thread explaining malone's issues


i also left some comments on that thread involving my experience with malone
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
you can dig through my post history to get a rundown of what modern malone tuning looks like

mr burpod also wrote a nice thread explaining malone's issues


i also left some comments on that thread involving my experience with malone
I think yall are right lol, how would I get a burpod tune? Would I have to email him or does he have a website or something?
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
I think yall are right lol, how would I get a burpod tune? Would I have to email him or does he have a website or something?
And what am I looking at for price?
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
I did forget to mention that I’m gonna put stiffer valve springs and an upgraded cam, will that change the turbo injector combo recommendation you made earlier?
 

burpod

teh stallionz!!1
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Location
cape cod, ma
TDI
82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
You can send me a PM if you want to chat 🤓
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
You can send me a PM if you want to chat 🤓
I’ve got a while, still have to get the motor put together, put it in the truck, figure out all the wiring and see what sensors I want to delete. So it’ll probably be a few months still.
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
But I’ll definitely hit you up, it sounds like you’ll get me set up good
 

burpod

teh stallionz!!1
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Location
cape cod, ma
TDI
82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
11mm .260s (set to higher pop pressures) and a gtd or even gtb turbo will run fantastic with good tuning. While I haven't yet personally tested a gtd2060vz, I think that would be my choice. It's journal bearing , 1752vrk is ball bearing which I'm still a little skeptical of, but I have not run one of those myself either. I have a gtd2060vz to install in my mk3 just haven't had the time
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
11mm .260s (set to higher pop pressures) and a gtd or even gtb turbo will run fantastic with good tuning. While I haven't yet personally tested a gtd2060vz, I think that would be my choice. It's journal bearing , 1752vrk is ball bearing which I'm still a little skeptical of, but I have not run one of those myself either. I have a gtd2060vz to install in my mk3 just haven't had the time
Thankyou, I’ve got my resurvey cut out for me lol
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
11mm .260s (set to higher pop pressures) and a gtd or even gtb turbo will run fantastic with good tuning. While I haven't yet personally tested a gtd2060vz, I think that would be my choice. It's journal bearing , 1752vrk is ball bearing which I'm still a little skeptical of, but I have not run one of those myself either. I have a gtd2060vz to install in my mk3 just haven't had the time
What about .310 injectors? Are they to much?
 

burpod

teh stallionz!!1
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Location
cape cod, ma
TDI
82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
Zero need for injectors that big
 

burpod

teh stallionz!!1
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Location
cape cod, ma
TDI
82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
11mm + .260s will provide more power than i suspect you will ever need, while also keeping needed advance to a minimum. think about it. 11mm .158s in a stock automatic alh puts out 90hp/155ft-lbs on a stock tune. you can push those farther and get more out of it too. .260s is 2.7x the hole size of .158s. so if you can do 45mg safe out of .158s....

i'm putting .290s (with 11mm) in my mk3 with gtd2060vz at some point soon, because i want to try them, for fun daily driver and hoping to maintain 55mpg daily driving. ~36-38psi max boost.

i don't think you're going to be needing that kind of power. what are your WHP goals? unless you're going beyond 200whp 11mm/.260s is imo more than enough and keep things safe. going big injectors isn't only about max power, its about having short enough injection durations so you can reduce advance and keep the engine healthy.... something it seems most don't realize (given what i've seen)
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
11mm + .260s will provide more power than i suspect you will ever need, while also keeping needed advance to a minimum. think about it. 11mm .158s in a stock automatic alh puts out 90hp/155ft-lbs on a stock tune. you can push those farther and get more out of it too. .260s is 2.7x the hole size of .158s. so if you can do 45mg safe out of .158s....

i'm putting .290s (with 11mm) in my mk3 with gtd2060vz at some point soon, because i want to try them, for fun daily driver and hoping to maintain 55mpg daily driving. ~36-38psi max boost.

i don't think you're going to be needing that kind of power. what are your WHP goals? unless you're going beyond 200whp 11mm/.260s is imo more than enough and keep things safe. going big injectors isn't only about max power, its about having short enough injection durations so you can reduce advance and keep the engine healthy.... something it seems most don't realize (given what i've seen)
I would like to get as much power as I can, it’s gonna have big 35 inch tires, and I still want it to do 80 down the freeway easily, but also just for fun I want to see how much power I can get out of it without putting the motor at any risk
 

JordanTr

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2022
Location
Kimberley, BC
TDI
1996 B4V x2, 2006 Dmax, 2005 Allroad, 2005 BHW
Very cool but not for the faint of heart. This would make use of 0.310 injectors.
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
Very cool but not for the faint of heart. This would make use of 0.310 injectors.
Yeah, I know it’s not, I work at an automotive machine shop, building horsepower is what we do, we build all kinds of drag car motors and stuff like that, never done anything with a tdi, but I think I can do it
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
I don’t want to go quite as far, I don’t want to do compound turbos, but I’m gonna be putting a fass fuel pump from a duramax with a fuel pressure regulator and return and all that. I’m also gonna have upgraded valve train and high lift cam. And all the other stuff I’ve listed. It will have a 4 inch turbo back exhaust.
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
I would like to get as much power as I can from that setup
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
I would like to see upwards of 350 hp, 400 would be great, do you think that’s doable with setup I’m talking about?
 

JordanTr

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2022
Location
Kimberley, BC
TDI
1996 B4V x2, 2006 Dmax, 2005 Allroad, 2005 BHW
More reading to do…
 

CJT

Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2023
Location
New Mexico
TDI
1999 ahu tdi goin in a 1989 Toyota pickup
More reading to do…
I definitely do have a lot more reading to do, I don’t want to go near as far as that guy, I don’t want to port and polish my head (not yet at least) or anything like that, so realistically im probably looking at more like 300hp. I have a lot more time to think about whether I want to do compounds and stuff like that while I get the motor built and mounted in the truck.
 

lemoncurd

Veteran Member
Joined
May 24, 2019
Location
Eastern CT
TDI
2013 CJAA GTB2266
I have a gtd2060vz to install in my mk3 just haven't had the time
you have the TDI equivalent to speed just sitting in your garage and you havent put it on?!

i think you will be seriously impressed with the GTD!!!!! xtremefunky knows that route well. GTD and GTE turbo's are amazing.
they FLOW

though i am curious if itll be as beneficial for the older TDI's. the newer (CR)TDI's benefit greatly from optimizing the EMP ratio rather than going for intake pressure. maybe older TDI's are the same?
 

burpod

teh stallionz!!1
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Location
cape cod, ma
TDI
82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
you have the TDI equivalent to speed just sitting in your garage and you havent put it on?!

i think you will be seriously impressed with the GTD!!!!! xtremefunky knows that route well. GTD and GTE turbo's are amazing.
they FLOW

though i am curious if itll be as beneficial for the older TDI's. the newer (CR)TDI's benefit greatly from optimizing the EMP ratio rather than going for intake pressure. maybe older TDI's are the same?
.... it's because the cars been sitting for ~3yrs after the intermediate shaft broke and possibly something else went wrong i have to take the head off etc...
 
Top