What are the best years TDI? In your opinion?

Gruni14

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Just curious from those who've owned many different yrs/generations of TDI's, what years you think were the best TDI's, ...and why?

You can select multiple year's for Ease of maintenance, reliability, fun and so fourth. Is there a year VW missed the mark (car to avoid)?

Love to hear your thoughts 🍻
 

Nuje

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Look at the thread density in the various sub-forums here and you'll see that the Mk4, and in particular the ALH years, is a fan favourite here. Reasons for that would be the rock-solid reliability (when properly maintained), mechanical pretty-much-everything related to the engine function, relatively few electronic elements and controls, excellent third-party parts availability - many of which can enhance the driving experience. And then that driving experience.

Avoid: 2006 BRM - first and last and only of the mk5 models offered in North America. There's a reason (from VW's end) why that was the case. Cam wear was a "not if, but when" problem, in addition to a number of other common issues. Having worked on just a couple, it's like they forgot they had to include a bunch of stuff and then just crammed parts on however they could.

I've driven a few Mk5 and Mk6 (which is barely more than a facelifted Mk5) cars and they were all a good solid "meh" to me.

Mk7 - built on VW's new (at the time) MQB platform and I absolutely love mine. Haven't had to do much in the way of mechanical work on it yet (150K km), but being closer to 60 than to 40yrs old....I do appreciate the smoother and quieter ride quality and creature comforts (many of which I've added - adaptive cruise, blind-spot monitor, heated steering wheel, etc.).

With all that said, not long after I bought the Mk7, I sold my Mk4 ALH because....two-person household, why do we need a third car?
Smash-cut to 8months later and there's another Mk4 was sitting in the driveway because I just plain missed having one.
 

oilhammer

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That's a loaded question, but here is my take as someone who works on them every day, and has owned quite a few. I'll stick with the 4 cyl cars. It really isn't all about the engine itself, either, but somewhat the platform it was found in.

The first TDI we got... the B4 Passat, was a great all around package, even if a bit (or really, a lot) dated when it came out. Last gasp of the oil (since 1974) original Audi engine design. Not super complex, or cutting edge, but pretty simple. Pluses were simple 3-box design sedan rolling on a long wheelbase, very roomy interior, and a wagon version to boot. Incredible range, and really nothing at all of that size at the time could compare. Downside was, for 'murrica, no automatic option available. Granted, the 096/01M is a pretty bad transmission, especially back then, but I think they may have sold a few more of these had they had one available.

The A3 Jetta, which had already been out for a few years, arrived a year later with the TDI option. Pretty much a scaled down version of the same basic car, but we didn't get any wagon option here, and again no automatics.

The best thing about these early TDIs was the value they represented. They were about a $1200 option over the base ABA 115hp 2.0L gas engine (which was dropped from the B4 halfway though the 1997 model year). And with that, you also got the beefier cable-shifted 02A transmission (the ABA still was bolted to the ancient rod-shifted 020 box from the '70s). Everything else was the same. Same trims, same options, same radios, same colors, everything. So other than the $1000 option to have the transmission go TU at 80k miles like the gassers did, you could essentially buy a better engine and transmission in the same car for only $1200 more.

These engines had some limitations, the pre-ULSD days meant intake clogging, and the EGR valve was integral with that intake, making cleaning a royal pain, and a NEW intake very expensive. They also suffered from crank snout failures due to the increased load the higher pressure rotary pump placed on it versus the old IDI engines. The A3s were still employing drum brakes in the rear (although that design was tried and true and worked well, to be honest). The A3 Jettas also got fold down rear seats, like the Golfs, something the A2 Jettas didn't have (just the "ski boot" hole... if you know, you know... ;) ).

Like most platforms, when one has been around a few years, lots of kinks get worked out, and certain improvements emerge. Given these TDIs appeared at the end of these platforms' original cycle, I'd say they were probably a bit better than the ~1994-95 cars. But still, being based on the 1985 A2 platform, they were pretty dated. Lots of their electronics and systems were sort of kluged on, the wiring in the dash looks like a rats nest, with random connections just "floating" in places, and in some cases still using vacuum actuators on some things. It really was time for a fresh start.

That fresh start began with the 1998 New Beetle, which was based on the all-new A4 Golf, although we wouldn't see that Golf (and its sedan version, the Jetta) until halfway though the 1999 model year. But with that '98 Beetle, we got an all-new engine family, that (my opinion) took the best of the basic design Audi previously had, which was certainly good, and improved upon it and made it better. Gone was the intermediate shaft spinning in the block, which was a vestigial leftover that used to run the gassers' distributor, mechanical fuel pump (to feed these awful things we used to have called a "carburetor"... look it up..... ugh... ), or on the diesels, the vacuum pump (when equipped with power assisted brakes... there actually were older diesel A1 cars sold that had no such luxury).

Curiously, these new engines in diesel form kept a revised version of the old injection system. The sturdy, simple, tried and true Bosch VE style pump. But with a much improved method of setting and tensioning the belt and the timing, and [eventually], a much longer service interval. A new variable nozzle turbocharger, etc. The mighty ALH... the only 'new style' VE TDI ever sold here, with its meager 90hp and 155tq, I think will probably go down in history as being the favorite for us. Nearly indestructible, efficient, easy to service, easy to tweak, easy to understand, easily THE simplest engine management system on any car sold here since the '60s (if you are able to avail yourself of the car's great Bosch EDC15 system).

And the car that the ALH was bolted into was a nice fresh start, too. Overall, I find them easier to service a lot of things on, they have a cleaner, simpler, more logical layout of a lot of their systems simply because they were actually designed to have them, it wasn't something that came along later and got added. They learned to streamline and make modular the front end, so it comes off super quick and easy. A must for VR6 cars. Completely revamped powertrain mounting (which is now pretty much the industry standard, most every modern transverse powertrain is arranged the same way). Standard disc brakes all around. Composite battery tray instead of the rust-prone metal one. OBD for all the major modules, with a lot of nice bidirectional access. In other words, a gold standard for a small car, and if you got the diesel, you got a great engine as well. Plus, they were still reasonable... a ~$1600 option, and while that was more than previous, and the base gas engine also got the newer transmission this time around, you still had all the same trims. If you wanted a complete optionless Golf but with the TDI, you could get it. And, if you wanted to curse yourself, you could also for the first time here get one that shifted itself (and eventually would **** itself) for $1000. Which, again, 'murrica, is pretty much a must for some people. It does suck that the 4sp 01M clearly wasn't up to the durability of the rest of the car. But I guess even the fanciest of underpants can get a skidmark now and then.

The later A4 cars got the PD engines, which had already been an option in Europe since late '99 on some models. I like these, I think there is a lot of unwarranted hatred of them, but my take is that they are not nearly as bad as many are led to believe, and while they do require a bit more careful care of some things, they can prove to be quite reliable and durable. The trade off was more power with less fuel efficiency, and better "emissions" which is its own can of worms. Best part here is, if you wanted to forego the clutch pedal, the optional automatic became the 5sp 09A which was supplied by Jatco and while it certainly is no manual it is a FAR better unit than the old 01M and is also far less of a hit in power and driveability. I own a 2004 Golf with one, and it is plenty peppy around town, zips down the highway happily into the illegal side of the speedometer and would happily run fender-to-fender with my stock manual ALH Golf. And at 223k miles, it is reliable and solid. Plus, these later A4 cars also enjoy all the final improvements granted to that platform. Things like better radios, lifetime cupholders, better ABS/ESP systems, etc.
 

oilhammer

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Part 2: golden years...

I fell in love with the Audi A4 when it came out as a 1996 model in 1995. I drove one at a dealer in Florida while visiting relatives. When I was working at Volkswagen, and the '96 Passat TDI came along, I also fell in love with that. Being a diesel guy already, and having had a '79 Rabbit (1.5L 48hp 4sp) and a '91 Jetta (1.6L 52hp 5sp) the B4 TDI felt like it came from another planet. It must have felt a lot like what a wheezy 105hp late '70s Corvette owner would have felt like strapping themselves into a Porsche 911 turbo. I wanted one. The Passat, that is.

But just wasn't in the budget, and then... I had heard through the VAG grapevine that the new-for-1998 Passat was to be based on the same platform as the Audi A4, and it was going to continue to get a diesel engine option, but a more powerful one. My dreams had come true. Rumors were a 110hp engine, maybe more, maybe this new "pumpe-deuse" fuel injection system people were discussing. Sounded cool to me. But, never happened. The '98 Passats showed up, they got the same gasser 1.8t and V6 engines from the Audis, but no diesel. I gave up, bought a '98 Jetta instead. Was a great car, really. Wife was hooked, she never looked back. Even though a significant number of the 437k miles the '91 Jetta eventually racked up were with her behind the wheel, once she got a hold of that '98 TDI, there was no going back. And then I got Upsolute chips for and, and after the first scolding about making the car too scary (she almost crashed it backing it out of the garage and up our inclined driveway... yes, mega-boost and mega-fueling works in reverse, too, she nearly launched it across the road into the corn field) she got used to it, and rather enjoyed its violent 70-90 acceleration on the highway. Marriage tip: you know if you've picked the right woman when you run across her sitting at a stop light in town, and she wants to race you, even though you know you don't have a chance, but she wants the opportunity to black stack you in front of everyone. :D

Anyway... rumors once again came about for a diesel B5, by now the car had been facelifted, gotten the new style 4 cyl engines, and for 2004, a delayed release of the TDI for North America, and I was absolutely going to buy one this time. But, at the last minute (and I do mean, like the last two weeks), they decided all ours would be automatic only.... the $1100 option, which is still listed as an extra cost option on the Monroney tag, that we had no option to NOT get. To me, it was like getting a date with this hot girl you'd been lusting over in high school, then finding out she has a penis. I was devastated. But.. test drove one, found out the mighty BHW, the King of Torque, pulled the heavy Passat around with ease, even when saddled with the ZF 5sp slushbox. 136hp, and a whopping 247tq. So we bought one.

I think the B5 is a great platform, certainly much more upscale than the A4 platform, even if a bit older. Actually some design and components for the A4 cars came from the B5. All the Passats got the longer wheelbase, a wagon version, and are hands down one of the very best high speed highway cruisers. They'll easily dust any of the VE TDIs and not break a sweat doing so, and pull nice and steady right up to the speed limiter. Amazing car. They ended up having an issue with the balance shaft drive (I won't spend time on that here, but it is the Achilles' Heel of that engine), and the car in general may not best fit the "economy-longevity" part of TDI ownership, but the "performance" part was certainly there. These cars were not cheap. Our GLS w/leather & wood sedan was north of $28k new in late 2004. Which was a lot, but in light of the fact that one of Piech's pet projects W8-powered B5s were available at the time for a staggering $40k, it didn't seem so bad. I still have the car, still love it, but it does now finally need a transmission overhaul... it did make it 265k miles, and nearly 200k of that was post-RC1 tuning and who knows how many traction-control intervening launches this car has endured. I'd buy one again in a heartbeat.

The A5 cars, which in TDI equipped mode meant for us just the Jetta sedan, gave us an evolution of the PD100 engine like the BEW, but the BRM shares very few parts, and an entirely new (and expensive) platform, also somewhat larger and certainly heavier than the previous cars. The DSG became the automatic option in these (these did show up first in the BEW-equipped New Beetles in 2004). I'm not an automatic guy, but in some instances I can appreciate the DSG. I still wouldn't check that box if I didn't have to. I think the A5 is a great driving car, they handle great, stop great, and despite some hate of the electric assisted steering, I think they are perfectly fine. The 100hp engine isn't going to let the car win any races, but they have a lot left in them for tuning potential. Software alone can make the BRM as powerful as the BHW, maybe more, and it can really wake them up. A tuned BRM car is nice to drive, and with a far more advanced chassis, they hold the road better than even a GTI version of the A4s can.

Like the BHW, the BRM was really short lived here. BHWs were late 2004 and 2005 only, and 2005 being the last of the B5s, those were cut short too to make way for the B6 Passat (which we would never see here with a diesel under the hood). BRMs were late 2005, 2006, and in a rare situation based on regulatory reasons, continued to be built in 2006 model year mode well into when 2007 model year cars were being assembled. There are actually gasoline fueled 2007 Jettas that are OLDER than 2006 Jetta TDIs. You can tell these late build TDIs because they got a little 'diesel' tag on the front fenders. Again, like the BHW Passat, the BRM Jetta probably won't land the best definition of a TDI like the ALHs did (and still do), but I'd never kick one to the curb either. I still service a few of them, some with over 400k miles. And while the PDs' EDC16 system is a little more advanced and complex than the old VEs' EDC15, they are still pretty darn simple in the grand scheme of things, and certainly the Train Wreck that is to come next.....
 
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pedroYUL

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I went and test drove a '97 with a Z1 or AHU (not sure) in the winter, the choke start and the big plume of smoke with that start prevented me to consider that car; ended up buying a Saturn. Both used cars.

Then I did buy my first TDI, a BEW wagon, which nowadays clocks at 450k km or more, with my brother in Florida. Never needed a cam or injector, yes clutch and turbo, which are no surprise.

A few years after the BEW wagon, got a BRM mk5, which did holed 2 lifters, but new cam and lifters and it kept running. Yes, it needed the zip tie mod and many other tweaks. Rust destroyed that car, but sold it running.

Afterwards, a CVCA Passat, which is kinda boring. My wife drives a CRUA GSW, such a nice machine, still drives like new. Both have been without major issues so far. Yes, they both did long crank until I changed some stuff.

In short, I like progress and I do like the newer cars, although the true mk7 takes the crown.
 

Lug_Nut

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Sticking with the four cylinder engines, because I have no personal experiences with any others:
Cams (mine anyway) showed initial signs of wear about 180k miles, whether 1Z, AHU, ALH, BEW, BHW, so I don't dis the PD for cam wear when the earlier VE showed the same signs at the same distances.
Crank snout to crank sprocket issue isn't a VE TDI issue, it's an installation issue. My '86 A2 Golf IDI had that same 'problem'. Setting the sprocket to crank correctly, and then correctly torquing the bolt avoids the issue.

VE: 1Z/AHU for minimalism. Not as much to go 'wrong', but not much to tweak, either. WYSIWYG. Take it or leave it.
B4 Passat wagon first, A3 second, B4 sedan third. Wagon for the 28-ish gallon tank and cargo space. Drum brakes on A3 have less drag (due to return springs) than the rear discs on B4. My best ever competition fuel economy was in a borrowed AHU Jetta. A3 trunk is more practical than the B4 sedan, smaller total volume, but more useable volume.

ALH a step up (or more complexity) than the 1Z/AHU. Anti-shudder valve, VNT, waterpump driven by cam belt are relative 'minuses'. Autotragic transmission is another. Stick with the manual.
I liked the New Beetle for driver's and front passenger's convenience and space. Rear seat? Hah! Early year's power window switches are not well positioned vertically mounted on the door card.
A4 Jetta next for back seat access. I suspect a 4 door Golf would be better yet for rear access due to roof-line, but haven't had one of those. Two door Golf for giggles and grins.

PD: The Windows Vista of TDI. The BEW 1.9 is decent. The BHW, due to the chain drive balance shafts and automatic transmission isn't.
A4 Jetta wagon, manual, probably the Golf and then the Jetta sedan, but definitely last is the B5.5 Passat
B5.5 Passat is bigger, yet smaller inside, than the B4. Longitudinal engine arrangement pushes the driveline back into the passenger compartment. Front seat and controls are similarly moved back, rear seat legroom is sacrificed.

CR: I personally appreciate the CRUA in my '15 GSW.

My present ranking, based only on ones I've owned:
#1: CR, the CRUA
#2: PD, the BEW 1.9
#3: VE, the 1Z (no heat exchanger for EGR as on the AHU)
#4: VE, the AHU
#5: VE, the ALH (Yes, after the 1Z/AHU)
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#9: PD, the BHW 2.0
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
Part 3... Dieselgate and beyond....

After a brief hiatus, the TDIs returned in 2009. Now graced with proper common rail (CR) fuel systems run by the Bosch EDC17 ECUs, and equipped with a DPF. The hiatus was due to lack of ULSD rollouts, which were required for any DPF equipped cars, and had been slowed by both industry (trucking, mainly) and Hurricane Katrina. Like lead needed to be removed from gasoline back in the '70s for catalytic converters to work, sulfur needed to be removed from diesel for DPFs to work.

At first, on the surface, the new engine (the 140hp CBEA) in the A5 Jetta sedan, and FINALLY, the A5 Jetta wagon, branded Sportwagon here, were fantastic. Not quite the sledgehammer of torque of the BHW, but like the BHW were 2.0L instead of 1.9L, and their balance shafts left the factory already gear driven (VAG learned their lesson there). A year later, the Golf finally came back not only once again called a Golf, but with a diesel engine option... and for the first time since 1984, a diesel bearing the four coveted rings of the old Auto Union once again graced our shores, as the Audi A3 Sportback TDI became available. Sure, they were FWD only (you could buy a quattro A3 with a gasser), and automatic [DSG] only, but hey, a step in the right direction! 2011, the much-cheapened NCS Jetta sedan came along, with a lower price tag albeit the diesel versions didn't benefit much from that, in 2012 the new Beetle, no longer the New Beetle, just the Beetle (confused? Yeah....) showed up, based on the NCS, and also graced with a TDI option. That same year, the Passat returned after a couple years absent, although in NMS guise now (not a *real* Passat), but hey, it also got a TDI option. And, the big American sled also could have its gears rowed MANUALLY!!! Imagine, mid-sized family sedan, with a stick.... and due to its SCR-equipped CKRA engine, capable of some pretty stellar fuel economy. Some guys were getting ALH-level MPGs from these cars!!!

And it got even better! A V6 had shown up as an option for the Touareg, the Audi Q7.... and even the Porsche version, the Cayenne, got a diesel option!!!!! WHAT???? The fancy Audis, the Q5, the A6, the A7, and even the granddaddy Teutonic A8L was able to get the diesel option box checked. The diesel world was finally coming HERE!!! I should point out, too, that there were diesel Chevy Cruzes, Equinoxes, GMC Terrains, and there was even talk of a diesel Accord, some Subaru the lesbians would embrace, half ton pickups, and maybe even more were coming. Great time, and if you really had money to burn, and a $90k Audi wasn't your thing, Jaguar and Range Rover also had diesels here.

Then Dieselgate hit, and it all went to crap.

As has been litigated, and discussed ad nauseum here and everywhere, it really sucks that this happened, and it really sucks that Volkswagen in particular was at the tip of the whole thing. But what made it worse is they got all butt hurt and went home, and now we have nothing. Literally, we have giant overpriced behemoth diesel pickups, a couple overpriced half ton pickups (Ford killed the diesel F150 option a couple years ago.... siting poor sales.... it STARTED at $46k when the base F150 started at $28k.... poor sales Ford? Yeah, duh.... ). And the MB Sprinter vans. That's it. No diesel passenger cars of any kind are sold here today.

So, of the CR TDIs, they have become a love-hate thing for me. When they are operating properly, they're great. They are smooth, quiet, powerful, and despite what the draconian regulations and the EPA says, incredibly clean. White glove in the tail pipe clean. No VE or PD TDI could ever hope to achieve that. The downside is, they are complex. And fragile. And in a worthless attempt to make them "cleaner" as to the Dieselgate "fix", they often run worse, use more fuel, and the fragile bits are even more fragile. They are a complicated time consuming pain to service as compared to the earlier cars, parts availability comes and goes because SO MUCH of the same things fail on them over and over, and they become a money pit sadly for a lot of the owners. The extended warranty that the Dieselgate agreement provided has been difficult to deal with, and the dealers hate them. Then, in a complete 180 from an effort to make things clean, often people end up deleting pretty much EVERYTHING on them as far as emissions control equipment is concerned because that seems to be the only way to make them as reliable or close to as reliable as the older cars. So now, we have a bunch of far worse polluting cars running around than we would have otherwise thanks to the EPA trying to crack down and clean things up. Great.

So... best years? I'm going to have to go with anything with the ALH, but especially the 2000-2003 cars (the 1998/99 ALHs had a few goofy things), but only with three pedals. The BEW cars are a very close second, and I'd even go so far as to say the two pedal versions are 90% as good as the manuals. The remaining 4 cyl PDs, the A5 BRM Jetta and the B5 BHW Passat are probably both tied for third, but I'll give a nod to the 2010 Jetta sedan... it dodged the 2009-only stuff, is still a proper Golf-with-a-trunk type of Jetta, and unlike the Sportwagon, never got that awful pano-roof. Fortunately, there are normal hard roof Sportwagons out there, just doesn't seem like many. Never was a huge NCS fan aside from the base 2.slo S models, because for the $15k base price, they were pretty good value. Heck, the Scion iQ cost more, it was literally only half a car! The only NMS I would own is one of the 2.5L gassers, sorry. The CKRA is just too darn fragile to me.

The A7 Golf, I like, but some of the cheapening that VAG started with the NCS and NMS finally got to the Golf with the 7th generation. Not horrible, but it's there, and you can tell. Little things, but the A6 Golf (which is mostly just a facelifted A5) I feel was a better car overall.

Several of the 2015 engines, CVCA (NCS, NMS, Beetle) and CRUA (Golf, Golf Sportwagon Audi A3 sedan) I have seen with coolant in the cylinders, locked up for no apparent reason, and that dumb oil-runner oil pump belt, along with the world's most complicated exhaust system, coupled with the world's most complicated cooling system, chock full of plastic parts, I'm just not sure that would be the one to be seen in great numbers bragging about how many digits are showing in your odometer like we see so much of with the older cars.

So much of the newer cars require such a narrow and special parameter of operation that it becomes a burden. Are short drives in the cold good for any engine? No. But at ALH will happily handle it. A CJAA could result in bent rods from intercooler icing. Is it good to lug and the hammer the engine? No. Pull hills in 5th at only 60? No. Pulls hills in 5th at 60 with a trailer full of fat chicks? Heck no. But will the Garrett VNT15 in the ALH care? Probably not. With the Borg Warner unit in the CKRA care? It already blew up as soon as you started to read this paragraph.

Will the aluminum oil filter housing on a quarter million mile BHW split open one cold morning after starting? Nah. Will every CKRA's plastic oil filter housing spontaneously start spewing coolant with no warning? I believe eventually yes, they all will.

How many SCR-equipped TDIs have some random problem that starts counting down the starts until non-operation just out of the blue? Happens a lot. I don't want my car's emissions control system holding my vacation travel plans ransom, thank you very much.

... sorry for the long post(s). I'm just really getting burnt out fixing things that shouldn't need fixing. Especially when right next to this 2012 Sportwagon, with only 105k miles, that is cause for the owner parting ways with some $5k worth of repairs is a 2003 Jetta wagon with nearly 350k miles that's getting.... brakes. It's getting brakes. Seriously. What went wrong???
 
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Sting

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My VW diesel experience started with my dad's old school Mk2 Golfs. We had an 85 and a 90, the NA IDI. Learned to drive on those cars. Yeah, slow AF, but they were fun to drive.

My first car was a 1997 AAZ IDI Golf. Huge step up from the earlier NA engines. I owned 2, that one and a '95 Jetta. That one ended up having snout issues. I had a couple of VW Gassers after, a 2000 AEG and a 1999 Mk3 ABA. I liked them both, put about 200K km on them each. Then I had an 8-year affair with a BMW E30, an '86 325 (the Eta engine). What a great car! Unfortunately, for budgetary reasons, for the last few years I couldn't get it rust sprayed and the rust really got at it. Also had an issue with the fuel pump after putting bad fuel in, but trying to get a 30+ year fuel sender out was a real chore. Never bothered and lived with a few issues.

During 2020 after some struggles my best friend gifted me his 2003 ALH Wagon. It had 527K km on it. That is still my present car with 728K km on it now, 4.5 years later.

Platform wise, A4 wins of the ones I owned. I do have a soft spot for the Mk3, though. I miss the trill of the open door chime. ;)

Engine wise, I only have TDI experience with the ALH, but has stated above, it's robust with proper maintenance (as my mileage count shows). The engine itself has never let me down. I've done considerable road trips with it and it's great on the open road. On the highway, set the cruise and you're good for at least 1000 km at a time. I love that the car is no nonsense. At this point with fuel improvements, etc, keeping it going is pretty simple. Kill or limit the EGR, do your oil changes, replace timing belts as needed and it will keep trucking. I have a spare engine for mine, so it's not leaving the stable anytime soon. (y)
 

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Like the old Beetle before it, the MK4 ALH platform could have been produced for decades and been profitable and popular for generations. It could do without a couple miles of wire, but what vehicle couldn't.
Of course government regulatory infestations and society being trained to throw away things for the next new gadget have rendered that form of production and mindset obsolete in today's manufacturing.
 

Sting

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Like the old Beetle before it, the MK4 ALH platform could have been produced for decades and been profitable and popular for generations. It could do without a couple miles of wire, but what vehicle couldn't.
Of course government regulatory infestations and society being trained to throw away things for the next new gadget have rendered that form of production and mindset obsolete in today's manufacturing.
Completely agree. The E30 was another platform like that. Great to drive, easy to work on. And... RWD. ;)
 

BobnOH

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Condensed version
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So... best years? I'm going to have to go with anything with the ALH, but especially the 2000-2003 cars (the 1998/99 ALHs had a few goofy things), but only with three pedals. The BEW cars are a very close second, and I'd even go so far as to say the two pedal versions are 90% as good as the manuals.......snip..........
Issue is these are getting really old
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
Age is for sure not on their side, nor is VAG's constant obsoleting of parts.

There's one new A4 HVAC case left in Wisconsin. One. Just checked. Will it be the last? Possibly.
 

325_Guy

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MkV Jetta
Avoid: 2006 BRM - first and last and only of the mk5 models offered in North America. There's a reason (from VW's end) why that was the case. Cam
I wouldn't say they need to be avoided. The BRM was only offered for one model year due to regulatory changes- the Mk5 platform was sold for 5 years (2006-2010). It wasn't by any means a bad engine or platform.

The common problems the BRM had (DMF, EGR cooler, camshaft wear) are all worked out, replacement parts are readily available, and they are essentially non-issues.

The BRM gets lower MPG stock, but with a tune and a turbo I can rack up 45mpg all day at 80mph.

The vehicle wiring and data communication systems also lend the Mk5 pretty easy to upgrade with newer gen parts. My own Jetta has a Golf R instrument cluster, a MIB II infotainment system, and a Dynaudio amp from a Passat. Next up is a Mk7 steering wheel (with all wheel controls working) and down the road I'm going to integrate OpenPilot. All the in-car data is there, just need to add a couple things.

So really it's preferences and opinions. Even my buddy, a die-hard ALH guy, concedes that the interior and ride quality is better in my 470,000 mile Mk5 than his Mk4s that have less than half the mileage.

BRMs were late 2005, 2006, and in a rare situation based on regulatory reasons, continued to be built in 2006 model year mode well into when 2007 model year cars were being assembled. There are actually gasoline fueled 2007 Jettas that are OLDER than 2006 Jetta TDIs. You can tell these late build TDIs because they got a little 'diesel' tag on the front fenders.
Mine had those when I bought it! I always wondered why that was. It was built 12/16/06.
 
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Tuheeden

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Well since I only joined the TDI family in 2013, I am a common rail guy. CJA and CBE are all I have. I love em!
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
I'm tellin' ya, between the constant CR TDI fails, and the constant EA888 fails, and now the new EA211 fails, it's really getting hard to remain a Volkswagen fan. Three more just this morning. Jesus, I cannot keep up. I totally need help. And I have a guy that wants me to reseal/rechain his VR6 Touareg. :(
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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Lots of people have weighed in here. I currently own 2 B4s (sedan and wagon), 2 A4 ALHs (Golf and Jetta Wagon), and a MK7 Golf Sportwagen. If someone put a gun to my head and said I could only keep one, it would be the Jetta Wagon, even though it has far, far more miles on it than the other cars. That car is quick enough, dead reliable, and crazy efficient. And cheap to maintain. Sadly, MKIV ALHs are all at least 22 years old now. Good ones are very hard to find.
 

backfast61

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4 -2006 VW Jetta TDI DSG ( 360k, 255k, 248k AND 144k)
Opinions are just what they are... conversations as far as either a good experience or a bad... My favorite year is the 2006 Jetta TDI BRM PD.
High mileage doesn't mean anything to this vehicle ..
The reliability is my number one thing when it comes to this year vehicle.. The personal property taxes are low as well ( here in VA).
I currently have 4 of this exact year...The most I have paid for one is $1000. All were from original owners. Each had maintenance records.
Yes, I know when I bought each that they needed a new DMF, each would need a new camshaft. The routine maintenance is really SUPER easy even as far as replacing the timing belt every 80K ( Pro Method ), Changing the DSG fluid and filter every 40K. I do my oil changes( every 7500miles with the EXtoil oil extractor through the dipstick ... To prolong camshaft wear I add a ZDDPlus at each oil change . Both of my children drive these cars because of their reliability and fuel economy . I am a Dad who enjoys doing the maintenance for my kids...! My opinion is based on me doing my own maintenance because I could not afford to pay the dealership or a reputable shop... Labor rate here is $160 /hour... My .02 cents
 

Nuje

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Part 3... Dieselgate and beyond....

After a brief hiatus, the TDIs returned in 2009. Now graced with proper common rail (CR) fuel systems run by the Bosch EDC17 ECUs, and equipped with a DPF. The hiatus was due to lack of ULSD rollouts, which were required for any DPF equipped cars, and had been slowed by both industry (trucking, mainly) and Hurricane Katrina. Like lead needed to be removed from gasoline back in the '70s for catalytic converters to work, sulfur needed to be removed from diesel for DPFs to work.

At first, on the surface, the new engine (the 140hp CBEA) in the A5 Jetta sedan, and FINALLY, the A5 Jetta wagon, branded Sportwagon here, were fantastic. Not quite the sledgehammer of torque of the BHW, but like the BHW were 2.0L instead of 1.9L, and their balance shafts left the factory already gear driven (VAG learned their lesson there). A year later, the Golf finally came back not only once again called a Golf, but with a diesel engine option... and for the first time since 1984, a diesel bearing the four coveted rings of the old Auto Union once again graced our shores, as the Audi A3 Sportback TDI became available. Sure, they were FWD only (you could buy a quattro A3 with a gasser), and automatic [DSG] only, but hey, a step in the right direction! 2011, the much-cheapened NCS Jetta sedan came along, with a lower price tag albeit the diesel versions didn't benefit much from that, in 2012 the new Beetle, no longer the New Beetle, just the Beetle (confused? Yeah....) showed up, based on the NCS, and also graced with a TDI option. That same year, the Passat returned after a couple years absent, although in NMS guise now (not a *real* Passat), but hey, it also got a TDI option. And, the big American sled also could have its gears rowed MANUALLY!!! Imagine, mid-sized family sedan, with a stick.... and due to its SCR-equipped CKRA engine, capable of some pretty stellar fuel economy. Some guys were getting ALH-level MPGs from these cars!!!

And it got even better! A V6 had shown up as an option for the Touareg, the Audi Q7.... and even the Porsche version, the Cayenne, got a diesel option!!!!! WHAT???? The fancy Audis, the Q5, the A6, the A7, and even the granddaddy Teutonic A8L was able to get the diesel option box checked. The diesel world was finally coming HERE!!! I should point out, too, that there were diesel Chevy Cruzes, Equinoxes, GMC Terrains, and there was even talk of a diesel Accord, some Subaru the lesbians would embrace, half ton pickups, and maybe even more were coming. Great time, and if you really had money to burn, and a $90k Audi wasn't your thing, Jaguar and Range Rover also had diesels here.

Then Dieselgate hit, and it all went to crap.

As has been litigated, and discussed ad nauseum here and everywhere, it really sucks that this happened, and it really sucks that Volkswagen in particular was at the tip of the whole thing. But what made it worse is they got all butt hurt and went home, and now we have nothing. Literally, we have giant overpriced behemoth diesel pickups, a couple overpriced half ton pickups (Ford killed the diesel F150 option a couple years ago.... siting poor sales.... it STARTED at $46k when the base F150 started at $28k.... poor sales Ford? Yeah, duh.... ). And the MB Sprinter vans. That's it. No diesel passenger cars of any kind are sold here today.

So, of the CR TDIs, they have become a love-hate thing for me. When they are operating properly, they're great. They are smooth, quiet, powerful, and despite what the draconian regulations and the EPA says, incredibly clean. White glove in the tail pipe clean. No VE or PD TDI could ever hope to achieve that. The downside is, they are complex. And fragile. And in a worthless attempt to make them "cleaner" as to the Dieselgate "fix", they often run worse, use more fuel, and the fragile bits are even more fragile. They are a complicated time consuming pain to service as compared to the earlier cars, parts availability comes and goes because SO MUCH of the same things fail on them over and over, and they become a money pit sadly for a lot of the owners. The extended warranty that the Dieselgate agreement provided has been difficult to deal with, and the dealers hate them. Then, in a complete 180 from an effort to make things clean, often people end up deleting pretty much EVERYTHING on them as far as emissions control equipment is concerned because that seems to be the only way to make them as reliable or close to as reliable as the older cars. So now, we have a bunch of far worse polluting cars running around than we would have otherwise thanks to the EPA trying to crack down and clean things up. Great.

So... best years? I'm going to have to go with anything with the ALH, but especially the 2000-2003 cars (the 1998/99 ALHs had a few goofy things), but only with three pedals. The BEW cars are a very close second, and I'd even go so far as to say the two pedal versions are 90% as good as the manuals. The remaining 4 cyl PDs, the A5 BRM Jetta and the B5 BHW Passat are probably both tied for third, but I'll give a nod to the 2010 Jetta sedan... it dodged the 2009-only stuff, is still a proper Golf-with-a-trunk type of Jetta, and unlike the Sportwagon, never got that awful pano-roof. Fortunately, there are normal hard roof Sportwagons out there, just doesn't seem like many. Never was a huge NCS fan aside from the base 2.slo S models, because for the $15k base price, they were pretty good value. Heck, the Scion iQ cost more, it was literally only half a car! The only NMS I would own is one of the 2.5L gassers, sorry. The CKRA is just too darn fragile to me.

The A7 Golf, I like, but some of the cheapening that VAG started with the NCS and NMS finally got to the Golf with the 7th generation. Not horrible, but it's there, and you can tell. Little things, but the A6 Golf (which is mostly just a facelifted A5) I feel was a better car overall.

Several of the 2015 engines, CVCA (NCS, NMS, Beetle) and CRUA (Golf, Golf Sportwagon Audi A3 sedan) I have seen with coolant in the cylinders, locked up for no apparent reason, and that dumb oil-runner oil pump belt, along with the world's most complicated exhaust system, coupled with the world's most complicated cooling system, chock full of plastic parts, I'm just not sure that would be the one to be seen in great numbers bragging about how many digits are showing in your odometer like we see so much of with the older cars.

So much of the newer cars require such a narrow and special parameter of operation that it becomes a burden. Are short drives in the cold good for any engine? No. But at ALH will happily handle it. A CJAA could result in bent rods from intercooler icing. Is it good to lug and the hammer the engine? No. Pull hills in 5th at only 60? No. Pulls hills in 5th at 60 with a trailer full of fat chicks? Heck no. But will the Garrett VNT15 in the ALH care? Probably not. With the Borg Warner unit in the CKRA care? It already blew up as soon as you started to read this paragraph.

Will the aluminum oil filter housing on a quarter million mile BHW split open one cold morning after starting? Nah. Will every CKRA's plastic oil filter housing spontaneously start spewing coolant with no warning? I believe eventually yes, they all will.

How many SCR-equipped TDIs have some random problem that starts counting down the starts until non-operation just out of the blue? Happens a lot. I don't want my car's emissions control system holding my vacation travel plans ransom, thank you very much.

... sorry for the long post(s). I'm just really getting burnt out fixing things that shouldn't need fixing. Especially when right next to this 2012 Sportwagon, with only 105k miles, that is cause for the owner parting ways with some $5k worth of repairs is a 2003 Jetta wagon with nearly 350k miles that's getting.... brakes. It's getting brakes. Seriously. What went wrong???
This is/was a great triumvirate of posts, @oilhammer! Thanks for taking the time to write out all your thoughts and experiences on these.
 

Nuje

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So really it's preferences and opinions. Even my buddy, a die-hard ALH guy, concedes that the interior and ride quality is better in my 470,000 mile Mk5 than his Mk4s that have less than half the mileage.
Oh yeah - I certainly grant that the Mk5 is a noticeably more refined ride than the Mk4. I was surprised in working on them how much more solid cast metal (e.g. subframe, control arms) instead of Mk4 stamped steel there was on the car. And similarly, my friend's Mk5 at 450K km is a much nicer ride than my Mk4 cars at 300K-350K km.
(Although it still pales compared to the Mk7 in NVH "feels" - but then again, my Mk7 is still just under 160K km.)
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
The A7s went back the cheaper stamped steel/welded subframe, back the the crappy style problematic compliance bushing design, back to the old twist beam axle (on diesels), and then added in the lousy paint application (there's even a TSB about it) and then went and somehow further ruined even the standard Golf sunroof with that horrible troublesome one. The TSB on that one is laughable. I also feel like some of the touchy-feely bits inside have that more cheaper, Kia-like hard plastic feel to them. I wouldn't necessarily call it a "cheap" car, but I never got the impression of build quality and solid construction like I did stepping into some of the older cars. I feel like when the A4 Golf/Jetta came out, when they were new, people were awe struck at how upscale those cars felt for their price point and against their competition. You can go back and look at all the press about them and see people talking about it.

All three of my A4 Golfs still feel astounding solid to me. 2000 w/ 626k miles, 2003 w/ 124k miles, 2004 w/ 224k miles. I was doing 110 this morning in the 2000... solid and tight, no pops squeaks or rattles, even with a straight pipe dumped out in the middle of the car it was STILL amazingly secure and fun to drive at those speeds. I'd rather drive it than our brand new Mini. I drive a lot of different cars, these still check all the right boxes for me.

I know it is mostly tires, because the 15" rubber on these Golfs also offer much less road noise than the awful 17" on my 2010 Jetta, but I still feel like the A5s and A6s have something worse about road noise transmitted to the cabin. Cannot quite put my finger on what it is.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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I don't feel that the retro parts selection on the MK7s is really a disadvantage: Control arm brackets and bushings wear out on the 5s/6s as well, and I've never had a complaint about the beam rear axle. When the MK7 Golf was introduced I had the opportunity to drive it back to back with my MK6 Golf, and unless you were really pushing it on a bumpy road, the IRS wasn't much different than the rear beam.

I put 15s on my '15 GSW, and the ride and handling feel similar to my MKIV. I know some people don't like the tall tires, but I don't mind the bit of squish in cornering, and given the lousy road quality in the Northeast they are a real benefit.

I do agree that the MKIVs were a high point for VW build quality, both in structure and trim. I traded an Audi A4 for IBW, and the interior wasn't appreciably different in the VW, even though it cost a third less than the Audi. And I also agree they are strong cars. My Wagon still feels smooth and tight with 504K on it.
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
I was just pointing out the obvious cheapening that the 7 got, not necessarily that there is anything wrong with it.... but the price certainly didn't go down. I have no problem with simple tried and true old tech, I just wish they priced it more like it was simple old tech, and not try and layer some TV screen across the center of the dash so nobody notices they didn't bother to paint the entire underside of the car.
 

jokila

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Age is for sure not on their side, nor is VAG's constant obsoleting of parts.

There's one new A4 HVAC case left in Wisconsin. One. Just checked. Will it be the last? Possibly.
I am grateful for your well written and presented information. It helps me understand the history of VW diesels and a perspective from someone who deals with them every day.
 

GlowBugTDI

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Part 3... Dieselgate and beyond....

After a brief hiatus, the TDIs returned in 2009. Now graced with proper common rail (CR) fuel systems run by the Bosch EDC17 ECUs, and equipped with a DPF. The hiatus was due to lack of ULSD rollouts, which were required for any DPF equipped cars, and had been slowed by both industry (trucking, mainly) and Hurricane Katrina. Like lead needed to be removed from gasoline back in the '70s for catalytic converters to work, sulfur needed to be removed from diesel for DPFs to work.

At first, on the surface, the new engine (the 140hp CBEA) in the A5 Jetta sedan, and FINALLY, the A5 Jetta wagon, branded Sportwagon here, were fantastic. Not quite the sledgehammer of torque of the BHW, but like the BHW were 2.0L instead of 1.9L, and their balance shafts left the factory already gear driven (VAG learned their lesson there). A year later, the Golf finally came back not only once again called a Golf, but with a diesel engine option... and for the first time since 1984, a diesel bearing the four coveted rings of the old Auto Union once again graced our shores, as the Audi A3 Sportback TDI became available. Sure, they were FWD only (you could buy a quattro A3 with a gasser), and automatic [DSG] only, but hey, a step in the right direction! 2011, the much-cheapened NCS Jetta sedan came along, with a lower price tag albeit the diesel versions didn't benefit much from that, in 2012 the new Beetle, no longer the New Beetle, just the Beetle (confused? Yeah....) showed up, based on the NCS, and also graced with a TDI option. That same year, the Passat returned after a couple years absent, although in NMS guise now (not a *real* Passat), but hey, it also got a TDI option. And, the big American sled also could have its gears rowed MANUALLY!!! Imagine, mid-sized family sedan, with a stick.... and due to its SCR-equipped CKRA engine, capable of some pretty stellar fuel economy. Some guys were getting ALH-level MPGs from these cars!!!

And it got even better! A V6 had shown up as an option for the Touareg, the Audi Q7.... and even the Porsche version, the Cayenne, got a diesel option!!!!! WHAT???? The fancy Audis, the Q5, the A6, the A7, and even the granddaddy Teutonic A8L was able to get the diesel option box checked. The diesel world was finally coming HERE!!! I should point out, too, that there were diesel Chevy Cruzes, Equinoxes, GMC Terrains, and there was even talk of a diesel Accord, some Subaru the lesbians would embrace, half ton pickups, and maybe even more were coming. Great time, and if you really had money to burn, and a $90k Audi wasn't your thing, Jaguar and Range Rover also had diesels here.

Then Dieselgate hit, and it all went to crap.

As has been litigated, and discussed ad nauseum here and everywhere, it really sucks that this happened, and it really sucks that Volkswagen in particular was at the tip of the whole thing. But what made it worse is they got all butt hurt and went home, and now we have nothing. Literally, we have giant overpriced behemoth diesel pickups, a couple overpriced half ton pickups (Ford killed the diesel F150 option a couple years ago.... siting poor sales.... it STARTED at $46k when the base F150 started at $28k.... poor sales Ford? Yeah, duh.... ). And the MB Sprinter vans. That's it. No diesel passenger cars of any kind are sold here today.

So, of the CR TDIs, they have become a love-hate thing for me. When they are operating properly, they're great. They are smooth, quiet, powerful, and despite what the draconian regulations and the EPA says, incredibly clean. White glove in the tail pipe clean. No VE or PD TDI could ever hope to achieve that. The downside is, they are complex. And fragile. And in a worthless attempt to make them "cleaner" as to the Dieselgate "fix", they often run worse, use more fuel, and the fragile bits are even more fragile. They are a complicated time consuming pain to service as compared to the earlier cars, parts availability comes and goes because SO MUCH of the same things fail on them over and over, and they become a money pit sadly for a lot of the owners. The extended warranty that the Dieselgate agreement provided has been difficult to deal with, and the dealers hate them. Then, in a complete 180 from an effort to make things clean, often people end up deleting pretty much EVERYTHING on them as far as emissions control equipment is concerned because that seems to be the only way to make them as reliable or close to as reliable as the older cars. So now, we have a bunch of far worse polluting cars running around than we would have otherwise thanks to the EPA trying to crack down and clean things up. Great.

So... best years? I'm going to have to go with anything with the ALH, but especially the 2000-2003 cars (the 1998/99 ALHs had a few goofy things), but only with three pedals. The BEW cars are a very close second, and I'd even go so far as to say the two pedal versions are 90% as good as the manuals. The remaining 4 cyl PDs, the A5 BRM Jetta and the B5 BHW Passat are probably both tied for third, but I'll give a nod to the 2010 Jetta sedan... it dodged the 2009-only stuff, is still a proper Golf-with-a-trunk type of Jetta, and unlike the Sportwagon, never got that awful pano-roof. Fortunately, there are normal hard roof Sportwagons out there, just doesn't seem like many. Never was a huge NCS fan aside from the base 2.slo S models, because for the $15k base price, they were pretty good value. Heck, the Scion iQ cost more, it was literally only half a car! The only NMS I would own is one of the 2.5L gassers, sorry. The CKRA is just too darn fragile to me.

The A7 Golf, I like, but some of the cheapening that VAG started with the NCS and NMS finally got to the Golf with the 7th generation. Not horrible, but it's there, and you can tell. Little things, but the A6 Golf (which is mostly just a facelifted A5) I feel was a better car overall.

Several of the 2015 engines, CVCA (NCS, NMS, Beetle) and CRUA (Golf, Golf Sportwagon Audi A3 sedan) I have seen with coolant in the cylinders, locked up for no apparent reason, and that dumb oil-runner oil pump belt, along with the world's most complicated exhaust system, coupled with the world's most complicated cooling system, chock full of plastic parts, I'm just not sure that would be the one to be seen in great numbers bragging about how many digits are showing in your odometer like we see so much of with the older cars.

So much of the newer cars require such a narrow and special parameter of operation that it becomes a burden. Are short drives in the cold good for any engine? No. But at ALH will happily handle it. A CJAA could result in bent rods from intercooler icing. Is it good to lug and the hammer the engine? No. Pull hills in 5th at only 60? No. Pulls hills in 5th at 60 with a trailer full of fat chicks? Heck no. But will the Garrett VNT15 in the ALH care? Probably not. With the Borg Warner unit in the CKRA care? It already blew up as soon as you started to read this paragraph.

Will the aluminum oil filter housing on a quarter million mile BHW split open one cold morning after starting? Nah. Will every CKRA's plastic oil filter housing spontaneously start spewing coolant with no warning? I believe eventually yes, they all will.

How many SCR-equipped TDIs have some random problem that starts counting down the starts until non-operation just out of the blue? Happens a lot. I don't want my car's emissions control system holding my vacation travel plans ransom, thank you very much.

... sorry for the long post(s). I'm just really getting burnt out fixing things that shouldn't need fixing. Especially when right next to this 2012 Sportwagon, with only 105k miles, that is cause for the owner parting ways with some $5k worth of repairs is a 2003 Jetta wagon with nearly 350k miles that's getting.... brakes. It's getting brakes. Seriously. What went wrong???
Do we have a "best years of tdi" sticky yet?
If not I think we should put a list together of everything you and several others have written up on various threads over the last couple months. Put it all together and have 1 thread we can link for newbies, or people looking at moving to newer vehicles to read.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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I was just pointing out the obvious cheapening that the 7 got, not necessarily that there is anything wrong with it.... but the price certainly didn't go down. I have no problem with simple tried and true old tech, I just wish they priced it more like it was simple old tech, and not try and layer some TV screen across the center of the dash so nobody notices they didn't bother to paint the entire underside of the car.
Thanks to Dieselgate and a good dealer relationship I actually paid significantly less for my '15 than I did for my '02, and that's without adjusting dollars for inflation. How could I say no? I do agree that it feels more built to meet a cost constraint than my MKIV. And I also agree it won't last as long. It's the only car I have with a screen, and it's already died once.
 

Sting

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Do we have a "best years of tdi" sticky yet?
If not I think we should put a list together of everything you and several others have written up on various threads over the last couple months. Put it all together and have 1 thread we can link for newbies, or people looking at moving to newer vehicles to read.
I agree... something else that should make the list is stuff that is NLA/hard to get so we owners can keep an eye out for parts we might need in the future.
 
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