VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI with 161 HP

Willy den CGI

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

Impressing torque. That equals to 172 Nm/liter.

It is then exceeding the 4-liter V8, 650 Nm (162 Nm/liter) and
the 5-liter V10, 750 Nm (150 Nm/ liter)

The sky seems to be the limit.
 

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136hp/320 Nm per Yahoo France.

This corresponds with the current 1.9 130hp/310Nm unit. Whilst there is not much difference in output, the 4 valve/cylinder head enables central positioning of the injector, and apparrently this gives an increase in running refinement. Not sure how much by.

4 valves per cylinder is mostly irrelevant in a turbocharged engine - it is merely injector postioning that it facilitates. Think of it this way - you have as large an exhuast valve as possible, then just up the turbo boost to get the air in.

However the version coming your way in North America will be specially made for you with a 2-valve instead of 4 - valve head and various extra emission controls. I imagine that this will reduce the power and torque a bit. Not sure what the point of an extra 100cc will be..

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Yes, I also have read that we in North America will get only a 2-valve version of the 2L TDI. If the central positioning of the injector is so important for emission reasons, how does VWAG get around that problem, and why are we getting a special engine for presumeably just our market?

I imagine that 2 valves are cheaper than 4 to manufacture, but what savings this makes possible are more than lost by making this a low-volume engine for just our inconsequentially small market. So, what is the reasoning behind this?
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

the 2.0 16V TDI is initially offered in 130 (or 134/136) bhp
with 320 Nm torque.. this is already a little obsolete
(before it even gets sold!) because the 160 bhp version
has been announced with the 253 lbft of torque.

as for the 16V i read that it facilitates the intake air
to swirl around the cylinder better. apparently optimal
combustion happens when the gases in the cylinder are
spinning around. and isn't the 2.0 made of the new
CGI block?
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

Anyone noticed the new 5 cyl PD engine for the new T5 Eurovan? It has no timing belt! (Or any other belt for that matter) All done by internal gears. + 174 HP


If anyone has a link to this engine or the T5 I'd be greatful. It's coming to the UK in July and I may find it dificult to resist!
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>The New 2.0 l – TDI – Engine with Four Valve Technology
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I realize technology like this is slow coming to the diesel world, but sometimes quotes like these sound so outdated. I'm like Oooooo... a 4-valve engine <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> But then again, the VR6 is/was a 12-valve forever and a day... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
4 valves is not automatically better than 2 valves. 4 valves requires more moving parts than 2 valves and also costs more. The only reason to prefer 4 over 2 is more air in and out. Diesels have traditionally not needed as much air flow as a comparable gasser, due to the fact that diesels are so much more efficient with the fuel and air they are given already.

The real reason that we're seeing 4-valve diesels now is because the injector pump technology has been the power bottleneck, limiting how much fully-combustible fuel can be sprayed into the combustion chamber. Now that the injector pump bottleneck has improved, the next bottleneck happens to be airflow. Hence, 4 valves.

This new 2.0 TDI has the highest power and torque output of any diesel production engine ever made.
 

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It is good, but have you seen the Opel Ecotec 1,251 cc
with it´s 112 hp? That means 66,7 kW/liter. The 2-liter TDI has "only" 59,5 kW/liter, if it is coming with 160 hp. Well, the Opel is just a concept, but it will go into production.
The Opel Ecotech Speedster ran 117,6 mpg with that engine....
Opel Speedster

"Das ECOTEC-Aggregat ist mit 1251 cm³ der kleinste Diesel-Vierzylinder der Welt, kann sich bei den Leistungs- und Drehmomentwerten aber mit deutlich größeren Aggregaten messen.

Die Basis dafür ist die hochmoderne Konstruktion des neuen Selbstzünders mit der Bezeichnung 1.3 CDTI ECOTEC. Auf der Basis eines gewichts- optimierten Motorblocks aus hochfestem Gusseisen (Bohrung x Hub: 69,6 x 82,0 Millimeter) ruht ein Leichtmetall-Zylinderkopf. Er besitzt vier Ventile pro Zylinder, die von zwei kettengetriebenen oben liegenden Nockenwellen über Rollenschlepphebel betätigt werden. Besonders bemerkenswert ist auch das Multijet-Direkt- einspritzsystem der neuesten Generation, das den Kraftstoff aus einer Common-Rail-Versorgungs- leitung mit 1.600 bar Druck bezieht."
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The all-new 1.3 16v JTD compact engine
In 2003, Fiat Auto will be adding a revolutionary engine to their range, which aims to move forward common rail turbodiesel technology, by offering better performance, lower fuel consumption and will be more "environment friendly." Developed jointly with General Motors, it is one of the first fruits of Powertrain, the joint GM-Fiat parts development programme.
Explaining the prototype's background, Opel's Chief Executive Officer Carl-Peter Forster says: "The Eco-Speedster symbolizes our comprehensive diesel offensive and at the same time demonstrates Opel's engineering expertise in power trains, weight-saving design and aerodynamics. By the end of 2003 we will have introduced four new, state-of-the-art common rail diesel engines with a wide range of power outputs, low weight and moderate fuel consumption."

Not with 112 hp in the beginning, but later.
 

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'Ere be more news on the Fiat:
1.3-L diesel from Fiat
Fiat is introducing a new 1.3-L 16-valve common-rail diesel engine that will take a key position in the company’s powertrain list. It will power some of the small models (including a new city car) that will be responsible for relaunching the Fiat brand. It is the first engine to be designed by Fiat-GM Powertrain (it will also be used in the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa), the joint venture between Fiat Auto and GM that has been established with the aim of introducing “at least” 500,000 engines per annum. The new small engine, designated for Fiat use as the 1.3 Multijet 16v, builds on technology established by Fiat in 1988 when it introduced the Croma 1.9 TDI, the first standard production car in the world to use direct diesel injection. Another “first” came in 1998 when Fiat introduced the 1.9 JTD with direct injection and common rail technology.

Designed to be packaged into superminis and A segment cars, the 1.3 Multijet is less than 500 mm (20 in) long and 650 mm (25 in) high, making it the smallest four-cylinder common-rail diesel on the market, according to Fiat.

The company also claims it is the only unit able to enclose no fewer than six normal-sized components in a cylinder with a bore of under 70 mm (2.8 in), i.e., four valves, one injector, and a spark plug. Cylinder dimensions include a bore of 69.6 mm (2.7 in) and a stroke of 82 mm (3.2 in). The 1251-cm3 turbocharged and intercooled engine has twin overhead camshafts and output is 51 kW (68 hp) at 4000 rpm, and 41 kW/L (55 hp/L), with maximum torque of 180 N•m (130 lb•ft) at 1750 rpm, and 144 N•m/L (106 lb•ft/L).

The engine uses a chain-driven timing system with rocker control, hydraulic tappets, cast-iron crankcase and aluminum base, aluminum cylinder head, and steel crankshaft and connecting rods. Despite the small bore, the cylinder head has directional intake ports to achieve optimum fuel mix. A plastic intake manifold is fitted. Fuel pressure in the rail is 140 MPa (20 ksi). An electronically controlled EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) system is fitted.

Fiat-GM Powertrain is developing a variable geometry tturbocharger for the 130-kg (285-lb) engine, which will raise power and torque levels. The 1.3 Multijet will drive through a new robotized manual gearbox with an “economy key” for reduced fuel consumption. Fiat is to produce both a city car and a small MPV (multi-purpose vehicle). The city car will be offered with ABS, ESP (electronic stability program), satellite navigation system, and a “Skydome” panoramic roof.
 

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However the version coming your way in North America will be specially made for you with a 2-valve instead of 4 - valve head and various extra emission controls.
Curious if you've heard this from a European source?
 

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It seems that emission control is the key to the US market. Whilst this article is off-topic (it discusses Jaguars proposed venture into diesel cars next year) the interesting bit is the description of PSAs new particulate filter. VW are most likely working away on something similar and I think this is what you will see in VWs in the States next year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2271556.stm
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

Who really knows until it happens, but I strongly believe CT is included in the states banning TDIs.

Is this true? or do you have Connecticut confused with Maine? According to Jamie over at Vortex "The states where this engine won't be available are California, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont and NY. "
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

Funny fact since Quebec is one of the biggest TDI seller in Canada ....

There's a lot of them

Old A2 Diesel and A4 TDI are really common and popular. We also had diesels from 93 to 97 with the 1.9NA and 1.9TD and we had Passat B3 1.9TD too
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

Does "This years Audi A3 PD-TDI" meet Euro-4?
No, it meets Euro-III.
According to the current issue of CAR magazine where
the new Audi A3 TDI 2.0 16V (134 bhp) was tested, it meets
Euro 4.. None of its rivals do, so over in Europe this is
a strong selling point.
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

After looking at a number of sources, I stand corrected .
 

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That's ok, those 5 states don't buy that many cars and they are not that eco conscious. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
So these past 2 yrs that i have been waiting to buy a vw TDi in either passat or toureg format are wasted? Or will i be able to buy something in NV or UT and bring it into CA. Hopefully at worst case, the car will have to have 7500mi before being registered in CA. Hard to do when buying a new car. I might have to drive it the 'long' way back to CA...
Man, some days I find it harder and harder to live in CA.
The reason is that those 5 states are implementing the more strict emissions standards early. The problem with doing this is that diesels won't be able to meet the NOx limit until 2006, when ULSD is standard, so NOx adsorbing catalysts (that get killed by sulfur) can be used. CA already requires ULSD, but no vehicle manufacturer is going to sell a vehicle with one of those catalysts until the entire country requires it, since all you'd have to do is fill up at an out of state high sulfur diesel station a couple times to kill the catalyst.

But, you *may* be able to get one into CA anyway - here's a question - will CA allow you to import a vehicle from another state if you can show that it meets the CA emissions standards? (i.e. what do they base it on - whether the vehicle manufacturer says it meets the standards, or can you have a local inspection station do emissions measurements on the vehicle to see whether it meets the standards?) If so, there are two companies that partnered up recently to start manufacturing and selling NOx adsorbing catalysts that can be retrofitted to existing vehicles. They haven't started selling them yet, but when they do, you may be able to buy a Passat TDI from out of state, have one of those catalysts fitted, and then you could show that it meets the NOx standard (you'd have to run it on ULSD or biodiesel, of course, so you don't kill the catalyst - but since CA has already mandated ULSD, and a 35 million gallon biodiesel plant is about to come online in CA....).
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

According to the current issue of CAR magazine where
the new Audi A3 TDI 2.0 16V (134 bhp) was tested, it meets
Euro 4.. None of its rivals do, so over in Europe this is
a strong selling point.
correction: it's now rated at 140 bhp.. the base 1.9 TDI
engine is now 105 rather than 100... so maybe they are
starting to get less conservative with their power ratings..
or if one were to put on rose tinted lenses one would now
speak of these engines as having 115 and 150 bhp (since the
90 has been tested at 100, therefore TDI hp ratings
are 10 bhp short)
 

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Re: VWAG Announces their New 2.0 Liter 4-Valve TDI

"Volkswagen now says it won't offer diesels in California, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut or Vermont in the 2004 and '05 model years."

No TDIs in Connecticut for 2004!!! is this really true? Where did you get this information? I just put down a deposit today for an '04 PD Jetta Wagon. The dealer found this model listed in the computer - but no delivery info or prices yet. Should I be concerned and switch my order to an '03? Or is it possible to buy in some other state and import to CT - anyone know is this is possible in CT? Their emissions testing is all screwed up right now anyway so maybe I can sneak it in :->
 

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Internationales Wiener Motorensymposium, May 14-15, 2003

The New 2.0 l – TDI – Engine with Four Valve Technology

Dipl.-Ing.R.Dorenkamp, Dipl.-Ing.H.-J.Engler, Dr.-Ing.S.Röpke, Dr.-Ing.L.Lohre, Dipl.-Ing.W.Scheliga, Dipl.-Ing.H.Stehr,

Volkswagen AG, Wolfsburg
Somebody heard something from the announcement? Is it really 161 hp from a 2-liter engine and what tech are they using? Is the enginematerial CGI?
 

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I just found some information. No CGI and probably not any 161 hp. Not yet.
AutomobilRevue

Some of it, translated by Alta Vista:

Under the plastic cover the engine looks hardly differently than the two-valve TDI. Remarkable is the absence of the hydraulic pump for the guidance assistance, that takes place for the new gulf platform electro-mechanically. The AUDI A3 has this steering element already.


Since the first four-cylinder TDI in the AUDI at that time 80 was presented in the year 1991, VOLKSWAGEN of this 1,9-Liter-Zweiventiler built not only approximately 12 million pieces, but set always also the yardstick in the 2-Liter-Dieselklasse. The pallet of the 1,9-Liters is enough from the Polo with 47 KW (64 HP) up to the gulf with 110 KW (150 HP). Already 1999 presented the first Diesel, which fell below the exhaust limit values of the euro 4 (D 4 to VOLKSWAGEN). In the meantime the Wolfsburger with the new 2-Liter offers the fourth TDI for the future pollutant limit values, which further will follow. The Vierventiler is the basis for engines with higher achievement, while the Zweiventiler remains likewise in the program and are developed further.

Proven grey cast iron
For the new Vierventiler VOLKSWAGEN maintained the grey cast iron cylinder block. It received only one of 79,5 to 81 mm increased zylinderbohrung, while the cast alloy (GG 27) remained the same as with the Zweiventilern with 96 KW (130 HP) and 110 KW (150 HP). If the Zweiventil TDI weighed 160 kg according to DIN, the Vierventiler brings 168.5 kg by the higher expenditure with cylinder head and Nebenaggregaten on the balance. That is not by any means much, because the new 1,3-Liter-Fiat Diesel brings it likewise with grey cast iron cylinder block according to DIN to 130 kg. Both VOLKSWAGEN and Fiats trust also in the future in the proven material, which does not frighten during rising specific achievement with firmness problems. The foundry specialists are even good hope to be able to lower the weight of grey cast iron cylinder blocks by precise thin casting up to approximately a quarter. Thus we can be surprised.

New head
The cylinder head with its perpendicularly hanging four valves is completely new. Because in the cylinder center not only the pumpe-Duese (of Bosch) had to be accommodated, but also the new glow pin of beru, which perfect start without "Rudolf Diesel Gedenkminute" to down to -24 °C permits. Thus the Diesels start with cold weather today better than the petrol engines!

In the drillings in the cylinder head also the fuel and derivatives is contained and the electrical connections to the single solenoid valves of the pump nozzle elements. For the oil for the lubricating of all parts in the cylinder head one uses the hollow waves, on which the rocker fingers are stored. As today usual, VOLKSWAGEN uses role rocker fingers for the friction reduction. Since the valve star 45 °, one needs four differently formed rocker fingers per cylinder, which is made of 42CrMo4 in the high quality casting procedure.

Over the cylinder head for the cover of the nockenwellenlager and for the storage of the wave, on which the rocker fingers for the pump nozzle manipulation sit, a framework from aluminum is installed. The solid wave is embodied with five screws in the cheese head screws which are under so that a very rigid group results. The whole wonderwork of the engineer art with its penetrateful tightness is taken off upward by the usual hood, which contains the oil separator for the crank case exhaust.
 

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From what I could find out, the new 2.0 4-valve TDI which debuts in the Touran has 136 hp (100kW) and 320Nm torque at 1750 rpm.
 

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The answer is a flat out, "no." No way, nada, forget it.

The only way a California resident can purchase a new (defined as having 7500 miles or less on the odometer) from outside the state is if the original certification from the vehicle manufacture includes California emmissions. The emmissions label under the hood must specifically include the word, "California".

I know this because I bought my Corvette out of state and brought it in. All new Corvette models are California legal no matter how they are ordered. I stil had to get it to a smog shop and personally visit the DMV, have them inspect the smog sticker under the hood and verify the VIN.

You can buy a used TDI if it has more than 7500 miles on it when you buy it. No problems there at all.

The only other way to buy a new car from outside California is if you meet one of the legitimate exceptions to the law where you've inherited the vehicle, got it in a divorce settlement, or had to replace a destroyed vehicle while travelling out of state. (must have police reports and evidence of accident that destroyed the vehicle). The DMV will rule on the exception on a case-by-case basis. (sounds like fun, don't it?)

If the new TDI's happen to say the words, "California" on the sticker under the hood, you can buy it and register it in California as a new vehicle, no problem at all. (except you have to stand in line at the DMV, let them verify the VIN and the EPA sticker, fill out some paperwork and a smog check exception form)

It would seem to me that VW is playing the binning game on the CARB requirements. Out of all the units sold, they have to meet a combined limit of pollution. The diesels put out more NOx, so that ties up two cars they could otherwise sell, perhaps at greater profit. Weirdly enough, except when there's a gas crunch, most of the dealers regard the TDI as a slow-seller and not where all the fat profits are. They'd rather push Passat W6 and W8's with fatter margins than low-profit entry lines like the current US TDI models.

My reading of the CARB rules does not preclude the sale of diesels, but does impose limits that would make VW not want to sell them in lieu of more profitable models.


But, you *may* be able to get one into CA anyway - here's a question - will CA allow you to import a vehicle from another state if you can show that it meets the CA emissions standards? (i.e. what do they base it on - whether the vehicle manufacturer says it meets the standards, or can you have a local inspection station do emissions measurements on the vehicle to see whether it meets the standards?)
 

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A translation of the above article ;

Quote:

New Vierventil-Turbodiesel



We could going the 2.0-TDI already in the VW Touran and in the audi A3, but its official presentation results first now in that 24. International Viennese Motorensymposium. Richard Dorenkamp, long-time leader of the combustion development diesel engines in VW, revealed the details of the first offspring of an entire motors family. Under the plastic cover, the motor sees hardly differently out of as the two valves TDI. The being missing of the hydraulics pump is noticeable for the Lenkhilfe, that electromechanically results for the new gulfs platform. The audi A3 has this control already.



Since the first four cylinder TDI in the at that time audi 80 in the year 1991 was introduced, VW of this 1,9-Liter-Zweiventiler not only approximately 12 Mio piece constructed, but rather set always also the standard in the 2-liter-dieselklasse 2-liter-dieselklasse liter 2-liter-dieselklasse 2-liter-dieselklasse. The palette of the 1,9-Liters passes of the Polo with 47 kW (64 HP) to the gulf with 110 kW (150 HP). VW introduced already 1999 the first diesel, that the exhaust fume limits of the Euros 4 (D 4) lower step. In the mean time offer the wolf castle with the new 2-liter of the fourth TDI for the future pollutant limits, that further will follow. The basis is the four valves for motors with higher achievement while the two valves will remain in the program and develop further also.



Proved cast iron for the new four valves retained VW the cast iron cylinder block. It recovered remained solely one of Zylinderbohrung enlarged 79.5 on 81 mm, during the shower alloy (BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL LAW 27) the same like in the two valves with 96 kW (130 HP) and 110 kW (150 HP). Wave the Zweiventil-TDI after DIN 160 kg, brings the four valves through the higher expense in cylinder head and next to aggregates 168.5 kg on the scales. That is in no way much, for the new 1,3-Liter-Fiat diesel brings it also with cast iron cylinder block after DIN on 130 kg. Both VW and Fiat trust also in the future on the proved material, that does not frighten in increasing specific achievement with stability problems. The foundry specialists are even good hope to be able to sink the weight of cast iron Zylinderblöcken through precise thin shower to about one-quarter. Therefore we let surprise ourselves. New head totally the cylinder head with its vertically hanging four valves is new. For in the cylinder center, not only the pump nozzle (of Bosch) had to be accommodated, but rather also the novel Glühstift of Beru that flawless start without «Rudolf-Diesel-Gedenkminute» until down to -24 permits °C. Therewith the diesels start in cold today better than the gasoline motors!



In the Bohrungen in the cylinder head, also the fuels are keep closed and contained -derivations and the electric connections to the magnet valves of the pump-nozzle-elements. For the oil to the lubrication of all parts in the cylinder head, one uses the hollow waves on which the train levers are stored. How today usually, uses VW roll train lever to the frictional reduction. Because the valve star was turned around 45 °, one requires four differently formed train levers per cylinder, that are produced out of 42CRMO4 in the fine shower procedure.



Over the cylinder head is mounted to the cover of the camshafts warehouses and to the storage of the wave, on which the train levers sit for the pump-nozzle-activity, a frame out of aluminum. The massive wave will anchor with five screws in the cylinder head screws lying under that so that a very stiff association arises. The entire miracle work of the engineer art with its drangvollen narrow is uncovered through the usual hood towards the top, contains that the oil precipitator for the crank housing ventilation.



You find subscribe the complete report in the edition 20/2003 of that «automobile review», which you naturally also Online könnnen.
 
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