tadawson
Veteran Member
But in a crapwagon . . . *meh* . . ,
Wait, they're making a hatch?! I might have to actually consider looking at a GM product...2017 Chevy Cruze will have a manual transmission in all but the very top model
Furthermore, the diesel and manual gearbox won’t be limited to just the sedan, either. The hatchback will receive the same 1.6-liter turbo-diesel engine, and the option to row your own will be present on all trims save for the headlining Premier variant.
http://www.chevrolet.com/cruze-compact-car.htmlWait, they're making a hatch?! I might have to actually consider looking at a GM product...![]()
Hatches are back "in". Next will be polyester leisure suits and Elvis sideburns.Wait, they're making a hatch?! I might have to actually consider looking at a GM product...![]()
They have never been out of style.Elvis sideburns.![]()
So the diesel hatch is "expected" to be available in the 3rd quarter of 2017... That's a long time away. I've heard this song and dance before... I wouldn't get my hopes up until it's actually available.
That's interesting. I didn't know that the company that made the 3.0 EcoDiesel for Dodge/Ram/Jeep made that engine for Chevy/GMC.It's not the same engine, though.
The Colorado/Canyon's running a 2.8 liter VM Motori engine.
The Cruze will be running a 1.6 liter Opel engine.
It's not the same engine, though.
The Colorado/Canyon's running a 2.8 liter VM Motori engine.
The Cruze will be running a 1.6 liter Opel engine.
Fiat bought out GM's stake in VM Motori back around 2013. That's why I'm a bit surprised to hear that they're making engines for GM (if that's the case).GM along with Fiat own a chunk of VM Motori.
It's a derivative of the VM A 428 DOHC, licensed to GM and produced in Thailand.I thought the diesel in the Colorado was a GM-Asia design, built in Thailand? It does not look at all like the VM 4cyl diesel in the Liberty or the VM 4cyl diesel in the Promaster. Is it maybe a VM design that GM bought the rights to? I know VM designs/builds a lot of engines though.
I'll be a happy boy if hatches and wagons actually become en vogue here in North America again. I'd love to actually have some options in the next 1-2 years for a manual wagon/hatch.Hatches are back "in". Next will be polyester leisure suits and Elvis sideburns.![]()
Iveco and VM are both Fiat brands, aren't they? Does the Iveco branch design and built their own diesel engines without Fiat or VM input? That would seem strange, but hey, we can buy a giant ugly Nissan pickup with a Cummins engine under the hood now, and Mitsubishi sold cars with VAG diesels in them, so I guess stranger things have happened.It's a derivative of the VM A 428 DOHC, licensed to GM and produced in Thailand.
The Liberty used the R 428 DOHC, the immediate predecessor to that engine.
The ProMaster uses the Iveco 3.0 HPT engine, unrelated to VM Motori.
The original announcement did say that the engine was designed in Thailand. Haven't looked at a sticker to see what they are really doing. Still trying to convince the wife that a $40k truck is a "must have"!I thought the diesel in the Colorado was a GM-Asia design, built in Thailand? It does not look at all like the VM 4cyl diesel in the Liberty or the VM 4cyl diesel in the Promaster. Is it maybe a VM design that GM bought the rights to? I know VM designs/builds a lot of engines though.
The original announcement did say that the engine was designed in Thailand. Haven't looked at a sticker to see what they are really doing. Still trying to convince the wife that a $40k truck is a "must have"!
---It's not the same engine, though.
The Colorado/Canyon's running a 2.8 liter VM Motori engine.
The Cruze will be running a 1.6 liter Opel engine.
tesla.. a smoking deal!---
Thanks, I thought the trucks had a smaller engine....
I'm keeping my 2005 with a measly 115,000. Sorry VW, you won't get my money anymore.
Just like Ford, with its Pinto,
Just like GM with its ignition key,
Just like Mitsubishi with its himitsu file regarding brakes and front wheels (TWO issues!!!)
Just like... Oh wait, you're next! You shot yourself in the face with this one. It will take a good while for this to clear up. And no thank you regarding your electrics.
Tesla, on the other hand looks like my next car. Way in the future.
GM no longer has a stake in VM Motori. They got out of that ~2013.GM along with Fiat own a chunk of VM Motori.
I HATE high truck beds, why are trucks so high off the ground now?That is the problem. It is a $40k truck, that isn't really much of a truck at all. You get two choices of bed: tiny, and even tinier. Either of which sit up so high that they are about useless to lift anything in and out of.
I disagree, %90 of truck owners would be fine with a 1980s sized Datsun pickup truck, it's so rare that truck owners actually use the potential of their trucks, they mostly use them like a car and are thusly just driving around wasting gas.If you need a truck buy at least a 1/2 ton pickup - preferably one with a diesel engine.
I currently own a 07 Canyon extended cab with the 6 foot bed. It serves all of my purposes just fine except for having somewhere to safely put my granddaughter. Jump seats won't work and I can turn off the passenger airbag. Same issue with a full sized regular cab. Most of my hauling needs right now are for my bikes. Once we turn in the Golf, my JSW will become the wife's dd. The truck will be mine.That is the problem. It is a $40k truck, that isn't really much of a truck at all. You get two choices of bed: tiny, and even tinier. Either of which sit up so high that they are about useless to lift anything in and out of. And you are forced to get an extended or even more extended cab.
In other words, it is just a car. I am sure it fits a need for some people, but it is more fitting a want for the rest. But since it is in a class of its own when equipped with a diesel, there will be buyers for it I am sure.
I think for about the same money, I'd go pick up a regular cab, long bed, 4WD Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. Trademan trim, a real truck, with a real bed, will seat three comfortably across its wide bench seat the few times I'd need the extra passenger space, a real bed out back that can inhale lumber, drywall, a ladder (beyond a foldup step ladder), decent payload and towing, and damn good fuel economy... my friend's Ecodiesel bangs out 30 MPG empty easily, and his is a 4 door.