VW engine Toast!

[MojoHand]

Hello Everyone,

I was on my way back home, about 320 miles into a 460 mile drive. I had the crusie set at 80, and then lost all power engine died coasting to a stop on the side of the road. I had it towed to the dealership in Aroura. They called the next day and said I had a blown turbo. They called this morning saying I need a new engine, and that there wasn't a new one in the States. They told me it was ordered from Germany. I have had all my services done. My last one 40k was done by Brandon of metrick methodz, awesome guy!!

My question is this is the first time any thing has happened to me like this, do I have and choice of what they do to my car. They offered me a loaner as it will take two weeks to a month to get it fixed.

Just sitting here in Limbo


Thanks in Advance

Mojohand

 

[sdeck]

Sounds like you need a lot more details and maybe a second opinion. I'm assuming VW is covering this under the extended turbo warrantee? any unusual noises when it went?

Which dealership? Tynan's? I bought mine in Greeley at Erlich and have been seriously underwhelmed with their work. spilled diesel during filter change and didn't clean it up. clocked my steering wheel wrong when my ignition froze up.

 

[MojoHand]

Sdeck,

They said it was all covered under the power train warranty. I think it was a massive failure in the turbo and the pieces of the turbo went into the engine. Yes it is at Tynans.
No noises or idiot lights, car seemed to be running normal. Even after pulling over only check engine light came on. I pulled the codes but forgot to send me the log though Torque.

Mojohand

 

[fxk]

Well, if the turbo blows, and the engine stops, the engine could have pumped all the oil through the turbo where the engine would see it as fuel, generally making a thick blanket of smoke behind the vehicle (look up runaway on this site). Once that happens lower end and/or cam self destruct due to lack of lubrication. That means total the car, or replace the engine depending on age, miles, condition, etc.

So am I to infer that the car has between 40k and 50k miles? That's young for a turbo to go, but not unheard of. Did something i.e., swirl flap, break, find its way into the engine and out into the turbo, thus killing it?

Usually with a blown turbo/runaway two things happen:
- oil gets consumed as fuel and creates that blanket of smoke
- oil being consumed as an unregulated fuel source will cause the engine to rev "uncontrollably" i.e., revs will not go down with release of the "gas" pedal, or shutting off engine.

Now, if all your original plumbing is in place, a flapper may be triggered which will effectively starve engine of air, stopping the runaway/combustion process - mostly without further engine damage.

Did the car rev uncontrollably?

Easy to say the car stopped, and you need a new engine. But finding what failed may make a difference as to what track to take in a repair.

Assuming the worse, depending on the actual damage to the engine:
- rebuilt short block, &turbo if head survived
- rebuilt short block, rebuilt/new head, valvetrain, turbo
- new complete engine
- new block and head, valvetrain.

I'm also sure you did not do your DPF and cats any favors, either.

How much?
Who's paying? (note other replies came in during the authoring of my tome.)
VW is paying.

What's the car worth sans engine? (no longer pertinent)

If VW is paying, and you have a loaner, the only question I'd have would be about unseen, unrepairable damage to the DPF and cat converters.

frank

 

[dee74]

So am I to infer that the car has between 40k and 50k miles? That's young for a turbo to go, but not unheard of.

frank

Read this forum and you will see many people have had more than one blown turbo before 50K, These threads here have a lot of good info on blown turbos in the Passat.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=360617

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=375789

 

[jrm]

Sounds like you got a great deal, some- who have had major blown turbos just get a new turbo without the pieces being cleaned up or anything, only to have more engine trouble down the road

 

[psd1]

What choice would you like to have? If VW is replacing the engine, take the loaner and enjoy using it while they repair your car.

 

[MojoHand]

When vw called they said I had no compression in cylinder 1. After this is when the new motor was ordered, and that vw wanted this motor to inspect. My concern is with the new motor is the number wont match, it will be documented on carfax. Does this de value my car, since they are putting a new motor in are they required to extend the warranty? Or should I buy and extened warranty? Or see what I can trade for on their lot certified pre owned.

Thanks in advance

 

[vanbcguy]

A whole new factory engine shouldn't devalue the car. Some random rebuilt one maybe, but most folks wouldn't have any issue provided you have documents showing that it was a VW warranty replacement.

 

[jrm]

it would Increase the value if anything.

 

[kjclow]

When vw called they said I had no compression in cylinder 1. After this is when the new motor was ordered, and that vw wanted this motor to inspect. My concern is with the new motor is the number wont match, it will be documented on carfax. Does this de value my car, since they are putting a new motor in are they required to extend the warranty? Or should I buy and extened warranty? Or see what I can trade for on their lot certified pre owned.
Thanks in advance

The new engine and any other replaced parts should be covered for a minimum of 12 months/12,000 miles. Good luck. Not sure what I would do in your case. Trading would give you a better warranty.

 

[atc98002]

Not positive, but does Carfax document individual part numbers, such as engine and transmission serial numbers? I have my doubts. Certainly not in the few Carfax reports I've seen before. I was under the impression they only monitor for accident and salvage information.

 

[kjclow]

The ones I've looked at for cars in North Carolina list service and state inspection details too. IIRC, all it really shows is mileage and title transfers. Not sure how the engine replacement would show up.

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Not sure what to say other than let them put a new engine in it for you. It likely bent a connecting rod due to oil ingestion from the blown turbo.

 

[domano 68]

How far does the power train warranty go to? Did VW extend this due to the known turbo issue? If so, how far? TIA!

 

[VeeDubTDI]

The powertrain warranty has not been extended. Only the warranty for the turbo has been extended. If you blow up your engine due to a failed turbo, the turbo warranty should cover engine replacement.

 

[krebsy75]

Instead of trying to sell more cars than Toyota VW should focus efforts on reliability. I'm a happy owner of two 2014 TDI Golfs but this kind of stuff does nothing for their reputation in the U.S.

 

[MojoHand]

Got my car back yesterday. Service Manager and Sales Manager we're confidently gone. Head mechanic said 12k or 12000 for the motor, he did not know if that was past my power train or not. VWoA will call today, I'll keep you posted.
Mojohand

 

[collector_edi]

Got my car back yesterday. Service Manager and Sales Manager we're confidently gone. Head mechanic said 12k or 12000 for the motor, he did not know if that was past my power train or not. VWoA will call today, I'll keep you posted.
Mojohand

How did you get your car back so fast?

 

[MK05HJ09]

How did you get your car back so fast?

I'm willing to bet the initially quoted lead time on the part was worst case scenario. This is a common practice among dealerships dealing with internationally sourced parts, as shipping/supplier delays make you look bad once you've quoted a turnaround time. It's always better to impress a customer by returning their car early than disappointing a customer by taking longer than expected.

 

[collector_edi]

I'm willing to bet the initially quoted lead time on the part was worst case scenario. This is a common practice among dealerships dealing with internationally sourced parts, as shipping/supplier delays make you look bad once you've quoted a turnaround time. It's always better to impress a customer by returning their car early than disappointing a customer by taking longer than expected.

Wow, I didn't think they could do an engine swap that fast.

 

[Rico567]

I'm willing to bet the initially quoted lead time on the part was worst case scenario. This is a common practice among dealerships dealing with internationally sourced parts, as shipping/supplier delays make you look bad once you've quoted a turnaround time. It's always better to impress a customer by returning their car early than disappointing a customer by taking longer than expected.

Yes, IF they use the correct parts and IF they do the job correctly. Ask me how I know.