Another point about unsubscribing here just happened as I made my last post: About a dozen comments were made and I almost missed your comment. I'd rather read a slower-moving thread with only factual content and no responses. This is big news and is worthy of keeping us informed. But this is a terrible thread for finding info.
I'd rather have the EPA around than not. Before they started regulating emissions from cars, trucks and from factories we had rivers catching on fire, prolific smog in many cities, acid rain in the Northeast, widespread ait pollution shortening the lives of Americans, fish that were toxic to eat out of the river (we still have issues with that, but it's alot better than it was 20 years ago) etc etc.
Dealing with these things issues has made America a better place to live and made the economy stronger.
Now the kids can run fast enough to get away when they a TDI coming down the road!
I'm also in MI (not far from Brighton) and it is extremely unlikely this will cause any issues for us regarding registration. They have not taken that step for serious safety issues that go unresolved. They aren't going to bother with this. As long as the title is clean our version of the DMV is happy to take the money and issue the sticker.
They probably won't buy back your car. I don't think they'll have as much trouble meeting the regs with the '15 and '16 TDIs as with the '09 to '14 cars, as VW is claiming that the newer ones are cleaner and already meet the Euro standards without the fudge.
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Of course the signal to noise ratio is .001. In the internet age of instant gratification, everyone wants to have their opportunity to discuss, even if they don't educate themselves on the situation first. Compound that with the limited information that was introduced over the weekend, and what you end up with is a bunch of people asking questions on repeat... that's just the way it works.
OK - you're selfish!
11 million cars have the defeat-software in question. However, its unlikely all 11 million cars would need to be 'fixed'. A lot of those cars are liable to be in countries which won't require the fix.
exactly. It's the precise reason I do not like windpower... I've watched as they have blasted 30ft of ledge off the top of mountains and buit roads that washed out, and caused migratory birds to go elsewhere, all so that someone in another state can feel good about wind power. everything has a cause and effect, including the cars we drive, the cereal we eat, etc. All the better reason to realize that not everything is what it seems on the surface, so take time and wait for the facts to unfold. Sure, things go slower that way, but it usually ends better when prudence is taken to develop judgement. signing off this thread now as it's outlived usefulness.
(I believe translated from the original German by the Telegraph)Martin Winterkorn said:
Since no one has responded to the information I provided, its safe to say the hive mind is in relative agreement to what I've predicted happens in the next stages of this debacle. To support what I said will happen first I offer what was said last night specifically to "regaining trust and providing clarity":
They're setting aside $7B per the WSJ. WSJ reader comments are hilarious as they really don't know what they're talking about.
Yup. Let the head rolling begin. And by the way, I think this ins being blown out of proportion. Internal combustion engines pollute, period. And they all, more or less, contribute to climate change. Long term solution? It's here already, the electric car. This single event could be the catalyst to accelerate the move towards "cleaner" energy for transportation. In the mean time, let me enjoy my ride, OK? Thanks.
Manufacturing an entire new car involves massive amounts of pollution, not to mention a carbon footprint. Being 'eco-friendly' in reality rather than for show would involved sticking to a car for much much longer.
Like what? What is the clean $22k car out there putting out more mileage? And if you are going to say Prius, then please let me know the battery manufacturing process is 'clean.'
Understatement of the century! If people did, they would be driving econo-hatchboxes for 10 years or till it ran to the ground, instead of going for shiny new things and talking about minimizing their eco footprints!
Yeah! And I blame that dirty liberal Richard Nixon for creating them...
I know a buyback is a long shot and they claim to be cleaner in 15/16. They also claimed to pass EPA specs before getting busted.. They have no credibility now.
Try criminal VW if they couldn't make the car to meet regs that people would buy than don't sell them. Corporate greed is what sparked this criminal activity. They didn't want to lose sales so they cheated.
So off tangent, but I just don't understand this vacuum of basic US government functioning.
And from that same article: "Today, [VW] employs more than half a million people worldwide, across divisions including Audi, Bentley, Seat and Lamborghini as well as the VW marque."
But although VW sells these "clean" diesels all over the world, the US has the most stringent pollution rules. Does anyone know if the TDIs, as presently produced, actually violate the emissions regs in Europe and China?
But while all the hoopla is about diesels, which everyone admits VW doesn't sell that many in the US, the most profitable cars in the VW group don't carry the VW label. And the vast majority of VW's stock is privately held.
So lets recap. This is big bad news in the US, but VW is already struggling in the US market. VW sells lots of cars under lots of marques worldwide. Only 12% of VW stock is publicly held, and VW has boatloads of cash on hand. VW's most-profitable cars are luxury models unaffected by the hooplah, and they'll continue to sell like crazy. So VW will weather this storm.
We're working on creating a new locked thread, perhaps in the TDI News/Tech session that will have regular updates of the facts as they unfold. You will be able to subscribe to that thread for information updates and unsubscribe from this discussion thread. This discussion thread will live on for people who want to discuss the issues.