Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[romad]

Even a Gen 1 Volt does drivetrain coupling under certain conditions.
Reportedly the 2016 does this more generally.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info, Chris.

 

[Chris Tobin]

They only tested the X5, which is a competitor of the Touareg (which also is compliant). Not really an apples-to-apples test

What if they only tested the Touareg?

The BMW apple worked while the VW 4-cyl apple did not work... read my post, I was responding to other posts about VW cheating in their emissions system and other manufacturers (including VW in the Touareg as you point out) not cheating!!!! Other posts said that if VW is cheating all the other manufacturers must be cheating and that is not the case, at least no others have been caught yet!!!

 

[romad]

Or someone that just figured out how to wire up a keurig in a new and fashionable way in the center armrest...

Ooh, tell me more! Is it for a MkIV? Got link?

 

[dst5]

Well, technically, their tests really didn't show other manufacturers were able to get the emissions on diesel engines to work in all conditions... just that it didn't work for the VW 2.0L TDI motor. It could be the larger displacement 3.0L BMW motor is just cleaner due to its size.

On that note, I agree with your last point. All this negative publicity may hide the fact that manufacturers are really close to a small displacement, clean burning diesel... but just aren't there quite yet.

Well, technically, their tests really didn't show other manufacturers were able to get the emissions on diesel engines to work in all conditions..

Well technically we never "proved tobacco causes cancer but we are 99.99 percent sure it does.

GMAB

 

[aliasbane]

Californian's have all voluntarily agreed to stop driving their non-compliant cars.
Texans and New Englanders not so much...

damn straight I wount or i wount get paid (CT here)

 

[vwUMO]

Hmm.. sounds plausible - off to work on that... time to build on my previous work at getting XMradio in the ashtray way back when... (it still works too, even after 251K miles... well the cassette dies but now it has an improved line in phone audio input as well)http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=351545

now off to hook up a Urea container in the spare tire cavity of my wife's 2013 Golf TDI... (yeah.. right...)

TransientTDI has this and more in his TDI Wagon. It was neat to see ingenuity at TDIFest. I'm wiring up an arkpak now... Just in case I decide to goto stage 4.5 keurig

 

[beam_panhard_tdi_2013]

Economy is tough nowadays... EPA needs more "funding" to operate.

 

[TO_TDI]

Wrong in both posts.
See post #1738.

From GM literature:

'It has only one propulsion system, the lithium-ion battery powers the electric motor. The gas engine, when needed, creates electricity to power the motor.'

'The Flint built (1.6 l gas powered engine) turns just the generator to power the electric motor'.

 

[Booth44]

New idea for a personalized licence plate for my '13 TDI Passat:

EPA LOL

 

[imurrx]

Economy is tough nowadays... EPA needs more "funding" to operate.

To clean up the river system they polluted out west weeks ago.

 

[vwUMO]

Ooh, tell me more! Is it for a MkIV? Got link?

Sorry, even the keurig got recalled LMAO! http://www.cnet.com/news/keurigs-mini-plus-brewing-system-recalled/

 

[romad]

New idea for a personalized licence plate for my '13 TDI Passat:

EPA LOL

Why not KMA EPA?

 

[tariq]

Given the details of the situation, other than environmentally-conscious owners, most will want exactly that - to have their TDI's left alone.
However, the pending recall isn't intended for the benefit of TDI owners - its intended for the benefit of society at large, due to the toxicity of the emissions without the recall.
After the recall - which you may not be able to avoid (might be required in order to maintain registration) - you might change your mind about not wanting a buyback. You're likely to get lower MPG and lower torque.

If the recall is intended for the "benefit of society at large" and the EPA's mission is to actually fulfill that, then the EPA would have to force a buy back given that current owners would not choose to have their TDI's crippled (so many would not actually take them in for the "fix").

 

[romad]

Sorry, even the keurig got recalled LMAO! http://www.cnet.com/news/keurigs-mini-plus-brewing-system-recalled/

Frickin' EPA/FTC or any 3 letter agency!

 

[Philpug]

Just when diesel fuel dropped below the price of gas.

 

[beam_panhard_tdi_2013]

Just when diesel fuel dropped below the price of gas.

 

[aliasbane]

Just when diesel fuel dropped below the price of gas.

I wish I live in CT crazy taxes, still about 2.80 average

 

[JDSwan87]

Anyone else consider buying stock in VW? It tanked 20% today...

 

[JettaJedi]

TransientTDI has this and more in his TDI Wagon. It was neat to see ingenuity at TDIFest. I'm wiring up an arkpak now... Just in case I decide to goto stage 4.5 keurig

LOL, Arkpak is sweet... Feed it with some solor panels on the roof - maybe that will make the EPA happy and forget all about the emissions
I'll take two shots of that stage 4.5 keurig too.

 

[Philpug]

I wish I live in CT crazy taxes, still about 2.80 average

Not much better here, 2.59 for diesel. You could live in South Carolina and pay less than $1.70..but you would be living in South Carolina.

 

[dmanb2b]

It takes very little resources to de tune via reprogramming, and it takes none for you, the end user, to pour def in the little blue spout every month.

Use your head people.

You get your DEF for free and it pours itself into the tank by itself

 

[Aquaticmind]

Economy is tough nowadays... EPA needs more "funding" to operate.

EPA won't get any money from it. The fine would go to treasure.

 

[TDI2000Zim]

Just when diesel fuel dropped below the price of gas.

That is exactly another reason the zealots are coming after VW TDIs.

When all is said and done, the idea is to force us consumers to ride on a horse and buggy and the politicians get to keep their limos.

THE HUNGER GAMES doesn't look that far fetched anymore.

 

[vwUMO]

Anyone else consider buying stock in VW? It tanked 20% today...

I did first thing this am. Already back up 2.2% Good day trade right there but it will rebound more. China is already priced in and this will be a blip after the retail market forgets.

 

[psd1]

Given the details of the situation, other than environmentally-conscious owners, most will want exactly that - to have their TDI's left alone.
However, the pending recall isn't intended for the benefit of TDI owners - its intended for the benefit of society at large, due to the toxicity of the emissions without the recall.
After the recall - which you may not be able to avoid (might be required in order to maintain registration) - you might change your mind about not wanting a buyback. You're likely to get lower MPG and lower torque.

Is there a precedence for this draconian measure?

 

[SageBrush]

Chrysler worked on a 2-cycle 3-Cylinder engine for cars, and it would not
pass emissions for USE in a car, but you can run the crap out of it on
a motorcycle, generator, or a boat! Tell me how that makes sense.

I agree that it does not, from a NOx pollution standpoint.

Two thoughts occur to me:

1. Cars are the major polluters so they get the most attention.
2. The pollution control costs are a relatively small fraction of the total car cost, unlike the case e.g. for a grass mower or blower or small generator.

I personally avoid all those products specifically because of their emissions but most people do not care or even know what is coming out of the exhaust. I think you are right though; they will get phased out in favor of electric devices. It seems to already be happening as the manufacturers can see the regulatory writing on the wall.

 

[Aquaticmind]

Not much better here, 2.59 for diesel. You could live in South Carolina and pay less than $1.70..but you would be living in South Carolina.

You would also have to drive on their "roads"

 

[sleek98]

Bought our Passat last monday. Checked plates today. GOT NOX and LOL EPA are both open.

 

[CDubber]

No Worries, just ask for a Loaner, it's better then driving that toxic missile around, and endangering children

I had a loaner last week while my dealership fixed a paint issue with my JSW TDI. Trust me, you do not want a loaner, even if you could get one. Those base Jettas are crap.

 

[puntmeister]

If the recall is intended for the "benefit of society at large" and the EPA's mission is to actually fulfill that, then the EPA would have to force a buy back given that current owners would not choose to have their TDI's crippled (so many would not actually take them in for the "fix").

I'm not a lawyer, and the legal ramifications are so convoluted not even lawyers will necessarily get this right.

That said, I don't think it necessarily follows that VW will be forced to do a buyback.

My best guess: VW will be required to issue a recall, wherein the ECU will be reprogrammed. NOX emissions will go down, MPG & Torque will go down.

Whether or not owners will be able to avoid the recall is a separate question. My best guess - in many cases, they won't be able to avoid it. In much of the US, emissions tests are required - annually/bi-annually. If the emissions testing can't catch it, registration (required everywhere, as far as I know, in the US) might require proof of having complied with the recall.

We can all argue whether or not gubberment is good or evil - but its an ideological argument only. In reality, whether we like it or not, we're subject to it.