Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[2015vwgolfdiesel]

3 hours ago -- 1999 Audi cheat device

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emissions-audi-idUSKCN0XG2DN

3 hours ago -- 1999 Audi cheat device

German carmaker Audi created so-called defeat devices which cut emissions in 1999, years before parent company Volkswagen (VW)(VOWG_p.DE) used them to cheat diesel emissions tests, German newspaper Handelsblatt reported on Tuesday.


VW, Europe's largest automaker, admitted in September it had manipulated the engines of around 11 million diesel cars, including its VW, Audi, Porsche, Skoda and Seat brands.



Engineers at Audi developed software capable of turning off certain engine functions in 1999, but it was never used by the VW luxury division, the newspaper said in an advance release of an article due to be published on Wednesday, which cited industry and company sources.

Six years later, when VW engineers at the firm's Wolfsburg headquarters were unable to bring nitrogen oxide emissions below legal thresholds, they started to install the software developed by Audi, Handelsblatt said.


VW and Audi both declined to comment on the report, citing ongoing investigations by U.S. law firm Jones Day into the diesel emissions scandal. VW has said Jones Day will publish a "substantial report" on its findings by the end of April.


VW's supervisory board is due to discuss the potential costs of the emissions scandal and approve 2015 earnings on April 22, a day after a deadline for VW and U.S. regulators to agree a solution for U.S. cars fitted with the software.

 

[Kawazar]

Kawazar

Thanks 2015vwgolfdiesel! I was at work and had to post it quickly!

 

[2015vwgolfdiesel]

at least vw waited ~ 10 years to start cheating

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XG2DN

Audi had it in 1999 ... then vw used it

it was a cold blooded shot at consumers.

greed greed and more greedvw time to pay up ... in spades

 

[Keith63]

I just left my VW dealership (Wyatt Johnson VW of Clarksville) to have my AC serviced. When asked if they had heard anything regarding the TDI recall. The following is what he said:

"We believe that VW will perform a buy-back of VW TDI's in those States which still perform vehicle inspections including exhaust gases." He continued by stating, "For the rest, VW will most likely take some room from the trunk with the "Ad-Blue and compensate the customer monetarily some how." He concluded by stating that all diesel vehicles are to equipped with "Ad-Blue" by 2017 regardless of the maker.

 

[LNXGUY]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XG2DN

Audi had it in 1999 ... then vw used it

it was a cold blooded shot at consumers.

greed greed and more greedvw time to pay up ... in spades

It was a shot at the EPA, not customers. Tell us more about how emotionally scarred you are by all of this?

 

[740GLE]

I just left my VW dealership (Wyatt Johnson VW of Clarksville) to have my AC serviced. When asked if they had heard anything regarding the TDI recall. The following is what he said:

"We believe that VW will perform a buy-back of VW TDI's in those States which still perform vehicle inspections including exhaust gases." He continued by stating, "For the rest, VW will most likely take some room from the trunk with the "Ad-Blue and compensate the customer monetarily some how." He concluded by stating that all diesel vehicles are to equipped with "Ad-Blue" by 2017 regardless of the maker.

Cause there are so many diesel cars being sold today that don't have adbule I believe the last ones sold were the 2014 CJAA's IE Gen 1 cars.

 

[MichVW]

I just left my VW dealership (Wyatt Johnson VW of Clarksville) to have my AC serviced. When asked if they had heard anything regarding the TDI recall. The following is what he said:

"We believe that VW will perform a buy-back of VW TDI's in those States which still perform vehicle inspections including exhaust gases." He continued by stating, "For the rest, VW will most likely take some room from the trunk with the "Ad-Blue and compensate the customer monetarily some how." He concluded by stating that all diesel vehicles are to equipped with "Ad-Blue" by 2017 regardless of the maker.

Ha ha ha.. Not a chance. So he believes that TDI owners will just hand over our vehicles to be modified in such a way that we will lose trunk space? Ummm... Nope.... I doubt people will be rushing to the dealers to have an ad-blue system retro-fitted to their vehicles. Not trying to be rude, but you should have told him he was full of SH** and walked out the door. Likely, he knows less than those members reading this thread daily.

 

[2015vwgolfdiesel]

It was a shot at the EPA, not customers. Tell us more about how emotionally scarred you are by all of this?

hi nxguy

.... i was only ranting on my post ... oh well ... life goes on

 

[Gonehuckin]

I just left my VW dealership (Wyatt Johnson VW of Clarksville) to have my AC serviced. When asked if they had heard anything regarding the TDI recall. The following is what he said:

"We believe that VW will perform a buy-back of VW TDI's in those States which still perform vehicle inspections including exhaust gases." He continued by stating, "For the rest, VW will most likely take some room from the trunk with the "Ad-Blue and compensate the customer monetarily some how." He concluded by stating that all diesel vehicles are to equipped with "Ad-Blue" by 2017 regardless of the maker.

He knows nothing more than we do which is zero. Worse, he's making crap up.


Anyone taking bets on Thursday's outcome?

 

[jen_madcity]

Ha ha ha.. Not a chance. So he believes that TDI owners will just hand over our vehicles to be modified in such a way that we will lose trunk space? Ummm... Nope.... I doubt people will be rushing to the dealers to have an ad-blue system retro-fitted to their vehicles. Not trying to be rude, but you should have told him he was full of SH** and walked out the door. Likely, he knows less than those members reading this thread daily.

Exactly.


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[dmarsingill]

Agree except for #2.

I don't know of another car around that costs $10k because the fuel pump/system goes bad. that's just horrible.

Every car that has direct injection has a hpfp. They can all fail. They will send shrapnel through the system if they fail. Other brands are having the same problem.

Donald

 

[GoFaster]

I just left my VW dealership (Wyatt Johnson VW of Clarksville) to have my AC serviced. When asked if they had heard anything regarding the TDI recall. The following is what he said:

"We believe that VW will perform a buy-back of VW TDI's in those States which still perform vehicle inspections including exhaust gases." He continued by stating, "For the rest, VW will most likely take some room from the trunk with the "Ad-Blue and compensate the customer monetarily some how." He concluded by stating that all diesel vehicles are to equipped with "Ad-Blue" by 2017 regardless of the maker.

The federal emission control standards are the same regardless of whether the states bother to enforce them or not. It does not make logical sense to make a distinction based on whether the state performs emission testing or not. It's either legal or it isn't. If they install an AdBlue system then it ought to comply with the requirements which means whether the state has emissions testing or not makes no difference.

 

[dmarsingill]

Huh. It's about time for my 50,000 mile service. None of the VW dealers in my area are convenient to get to, so I called the Audi dealer that's right down the road. They will not service a Volkswagen. I didn't even get to the diesel thing or the Goodwill card...I got out "2013 Volkswagen" and the service person said "we don't service those here."

So...apparently business is good for Audi. You'd think that they'd be happy to service a VW. If you get someone in that boat into your dealership, they might wander around the lot and find something they like more than their current ride.

That's a dealership decision....not Audi.

Donald

 

[psd1]

Crap, nevermind. Thought it sounded too good to be true. sorry

 

[kitarkus]

The federal emission control standards are the same regardless of whether the states bother to enforce them or not. It does not make logical sense to make a distinction based on whether the state performs emission testing or not. It's either legal or it isn't. If they install an AdBlue system then it ought to comply with the requirements which means whether the state has emissions testing or not makes no difference.

I agree....a settlement which differentiates based upon whether testing is performed on a state by state basis is unlikely and would not 'sit well' with many consumers, jurisdictions, and stakeholders.

The question is...as Todd Sax of CARB phrased it more/less at the legislative hearing....whether or not CARB will allow "partially fixed" TDI's to remain on the road. Some may recall that Mr. Sax's "if" was a BIG emphasized "if".

CARB has been quite clear that none of the existing generations of TDI's are capable of meeting the emissions and OBD requirements as of their dates of manufacture. Serious concern regarding whether these cars could simply be moved 'down the road' to pollute elsewhere was also discussed at the hearing. Additional serious concern was voiced at the hearing regarding the consumer's rights...and CARB seemed unwilling to "force" consumers to relinquish their TDI's. I've stated before....the VW predicament has placed CARB between a rock and a hard place....this is a complex enforcement issue. I expect a CARB to require VW to offer a menu of alternatives to TDI'ers sooner or later....a menu of options which assures CARB of a significant degree of acceptance amongst a large percentage of TDI owners.

This matter simply boils down to whether CARB will allow partially fixed cars of certain generations to remain on the road (or not)...and I would think regardless of the vehicle location/state of registration. Whether CARB will confirm their rules and set precedent has yet to be announced. Some here have voiced that CARB will simply apply pressure to obtain their hefty fine and leave the cars alone. I don't believe that this will be the case.

I must say....I'm choking on the popcorn over here....Thursday's news may actually be of some interest.

 

[fast duck]

Long time reader of this thread. I do like the goats and cats and dogs. But that's a different story. I have been emailing a guy named ken and this was his reply to me.
(The court has set a deadline of next Thursday, April 21, for a settlement to be reached in this matter. We shall see. Believe me, I understand your frustration and I am trying to secure closure on all of this so that a claims program can be established to provide a menu of options to individual owners: compensation, car repair and/or a buy-back of the automobile. You need to do what you need to do. But contact me at the end of this month.)

 

[kr70]

this is the kind of crap that is a waste of time and really insulting to the members of this forum.

 

[kr70]

Herbert68, thanks for posting the link from Bloomberg.

 

[fxk]

The article must have been updated - no mention of "code words" in the recent version.

 

[jen_madcity]

Long time reader of this thread. I do like the goats and cats and dogs. But that's a different story. I have been emailing a guy named ken and this was his reply to me.
(The court has set a deadline of next Thursday, April 21, for a settlement to be reached in this matter. We shall see. Believe me, I understand your frustration and I am trying to secure closure on all of this so that a claims program can be established to provide a menu of options to individual owners: compensation, car repair and/or a buy-back of the automobile. You need to do what you need to do. But contact me at the end of this month.)

Mr. Feinberg, I presume?


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[autdi]

The federal emission control standards are the same regardless of whether the states bother to enforce them or not. It does not make logical sense to make a distinction based on whether the state performs emission testing or not. It's either legal or it isn't. If they install an AdBlue system then it ought to comply with the requirements which means whether the state has emissions testing or not makes no difference.

It also leaves a giant hole, non CARB states a car is legal, CARB states not legal? I have one, and for some unknown reason, likely temporary insanity, take a job in a CARB state, I can't bring my car with me?

 

[scooperhsd]

......... living in Tulsa ... what is that stuff ... and where do you get it?

Walmart, autoparts store - easy to find !!!!

 

[ColoradoDriver]

VW says diesel emissions fix progress makes court trial unneeded



http://www.autonews.com/article/20160419/OEM/160419854?cachebust=MWIB

 

[tobianogreg]

If no trial is required then it's buybacks.

What will the sharks do? Where's the big payday?

 

[autdi]

If no trial is required then it's buybacks.

What will the sharks do? Where's the big payday?

They get thrown cash to go away, not the jackpot they hoped for, but if FTC does a rescission, they have no case to start with.

 

[redbarron55]

I checked my tires and they don't look bad... but now that you mention it, that could be a possibility... if you take your car to get the tires balanced, would that fix the cupping? if not, what would fix the cupping issue? Thanks for your time...

I went through that thought too.
Changed both rear axle bearings (180,000 miles though)
Tires solved the bearing like roaring noise.
I was surprised because I was certain the bearings were the problem as wa my mechanic.
Oh well the bearings were not too expensive.

 

[YikeGrymon]

well

I think if it turns out that those of us who simply wish to be Left Alone can't be, we must all form a CAS of our own.

And what do we want? We want all those who still burn wood in their fireplaces (as opposed to gas or Dura-Flame logs and the like) and/or those who still burn lighter fluid and charcoal in their grills all summer (as opposed to propane) to have analogous changes forced onto them.

Yeah. That's what we want. Because we all share the same air. Yeah.

 

[tobianogreg]

They get thrown cash to go away, not the jackpot they hoped for, but if FTC does a rescission, they have no case to start with.

Gonna suck for the dealerships and tuners etc. Their market will decline considerably.

 

[velostuf]

I just left my VW dealership (Wyatt Johnson VW of Clarksville) to have my AC serviced. When asked if they had heard anything regarding the TDI recall. The following is what he said:

"We believe that VW will perform a buy-back of VW TDI's in those States which still perform vehicle inspections including exhaust gases." He continued by stating, "For the rest, VW will most likely take some room from the trunk with the "Ad-Blue and compensate the customer monetarily some how." He concluded by stating that all diesel vehicles are to equipped with "Ad-Blue" by 2017 regardless of the maker.

These tidbits are interesting to read, but for me, Having a JSW TDI with less cargo space is almost as bad as having a JSW with worse fuel economy, worse performance and worse emissions. In other words, I didn't get the car I bargained for, so you better have a plan B for me. (No emissions testing in MN any more).

 

[Rico567]

Shouldn't this thread be in a different part of the forum?