Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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Just was sent this survey today from Hagens Berman. The e-mail indicated that VW is considering a buyback and they wanted to get a feel for the current owners ...
Another option that offered an extensive parts and labor extended warranty to 200,000 Miles instead of cash would be of interest to me. If VW has faith in their build quality, this would perhaps be a less expensive alternative than the others. To be able to drive the car without fear of repair bills would go a long way in restoring my happiness.
 

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Another option that offered an extensive parts and labor extended warranty to 200,000 Miles instead of cash would be of interest to me. If VW has faith in their build quality, this would perhaps be a less expensive alternative than the others. To be able to drive the car without fear of repair bills would go a long way in restoring my happiness.
And... even better if that 200,000 mile warranty (Parts/Labor) or "full life of vehicle" Warranty was transferable via sale :)..... This way, I would sell my vehicle's private party and people may be willing to buy them....hmmm. I would put that scenario between buyback and fix...

At this point I would like a buyback, but if forced to keep the cars a "life of vehicle (P&L) warranty transferable by by sale" would sure be nice if I had to keep them... Not bad..

Just thinking out loud.
 

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which automakers were selling diesels in 1787?
It falls under the commerce clause. Which is WHY California got slapped down over their extra registration fees on non-CARB cars. Instead of the previous hundreds of dollars, it is now a one-time 30 dollar fee, otherwise no one from out of state could bring their car to California. But CARB still wants to ban ALL ICE vehicles from sale in California.
 

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And... even better if that 200,000 mile warranty (Parts/Labor) or "full life of vehicle" Warranty was transferable via sale :)..... This way, I would sell my vehicle's private party and people may be willing to buy them....hmmm. I would put that scenario between buyback and fix...
At this point I would like a buyback, but if forced to keep the cars a "life of vehicle (P&L) warranty transferable by by sale" would sure be nice if I had to keep them... Not bad..
Just thinking out loud.
Having gone through every conceivable thought process I honestly think my best possible outcome is a buyback.

All I'm asking for is pre Sept 18 KBB or NADA with a little kickback for deprecitation/hardship/pain & suffering/NOx poisoning/environmental harm etc. There has to be an acknowledgement on VWs behalf in the form of additional compensation besides pre scandal book value.

This is not everybody's choice but I stand with Mich on this. We're not being that greedy, we just want out of these "Money Pit" TDIs.

If VW comes up with a magical fix (such as Mullite converter or other SCR innovation) great, I'll go with it but only as Brian the moderator says if VW accompanies the "fix" with lifetime warranties.

I'm not against diesels, I like diesels over EVs. But if VW gives us all Golf EVs free and clear, I would have no objection. Or a very sweet deal on an EV Golf.

I'm continually puzzled by VW corporate's nonchalant public relations handling of Dieselgate, very inadequate response probably due to legal advise of pleading the Fifth.

The timeline of events leads me to believe VW made attempts to refine it's TDIs with NMS Passats TDI debut in 2011, but fell short and continually resorted to cheating generation upon generation.

Until finally all 2015 models get SCR which still needs a cheat so they have not figured it out, 7 years already. Just go to Mercedes or BMW, swallow your arrogant pride and pay them for their superior technology.

Unless the magic fix VW has yet to unveil makes blockbuster news, more TDI models get introduced and all goes well. Nice to dream.
 
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No EV for me - no Golf, nor Tesla, nor Volt / Bolt / whatever. Too many limitations and NO positives to offset.

I REALLY DO NOT want any buyback. But since I bought new 6 months before dieselgate came out, I want fully made whole if they are offered and are required (if they can even force that).
 

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I have not logged into TDI forum or looked at this thread in a long time.

May I suggest to some of you folks obsessing..... STOP! :D

Free psychological & Life Coach Services....

You are welcome, now go enjoy life....
 

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I have not logged into TDI forum or looked at this thread in a long time.

May I suggest to some of you folks obsessing..... STOP! :D

Free psychological & Life Coach Services....

You are welcome, now go enjoy life....
But,but what other thread can I learn about goats, computers, and wait to sling cr@p around while waiting for VW to do nothing. ;)
 

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I am shocked y'all have so many issues. I'm about to turn 160k and the most expensive thing that's happened to my '10 Jetta is needing the timing belt replaced, which is scheduled maintenance anyway. Never had anything go wrong whatsoever. I take that back, it did have a radio issue but I fixed it.
 

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But,but what other thread can I learn about goats, computers, and wait to sling cr@p around while waiting for VW to do nothing. ;)
LOL!

Hey, this is like Facebook without the pictures and ads.:cool:
Or when something is reported in the news, this thread becomes like Twitter, with 5 people posting the same story on here.

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Just born on the 31st (twin sisters).

 
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I am shocked y'all have so many issues. I'm about to turn 160k and the most expensive thing that's happened to my '10 Jetta is needing the timing belt replaced, which is scheduled maintenance anyway. Never had anything go wrong whatsoever. I take that back, it did have a radio issue but I fixed it.
Question please

160,000 miles with only a radio repair sounds so good compared to many car other issues. Why do you think this is?

Do you have MODs? Do you drive less aggressive? Is your location good regarding weather, temperatures, road conditions or salt etc?

In truth, if I would have tuned in to TDICLUB before I bought my car ... well I would have not bought it in the first place.

My life style and repair bllls need to be a lot less than some of the outrageous $1,000 - $4,000 - $8,000 issues some TDI owners are geting
 

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Another option that offered an extensive parts and labor extended warranty to 200,000 Miles instead of cash would be of interest to me. If VW has faith in their build quality, this would perhaps be a less expensive alternative than the others. To be able to drive the car without fear of repair bills would go a long way in restoring my happiness.

That is my thinking also. Also it would solve the resale problem (more or less) -- that is IF the warranty was transferable to a new owner
 

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Question please

160,000 miles with only a radio repair sounds so good compared to many car other issues. Why do you think this is?

Do you have MODs? Do you drive less aggressive? Is your location good regarding weather, temperatures, road conditions or salt etc?

In truth, if I would have tuned in to TDICLUB before I bought my car ... well I would have not bought it in the first place.

My life style and repair bllls need to be a lot less than some of the outrageous $1,000 - $4,000 - $8,000 issues some TDI owners are geting
Keep in mind that for every lemon that leads its owner to TDIClub to find a way to fix 'X' issue...there are AT LEAST 100 vehicles out there puttering along relatively problem free.

That is the nature of every vehicle forum. Two kinds of people find their way in: 1. People that had/have an issue with their car, and/or 2. People that are looking to modify their car.

This TDI emissions issue is a perfect example. For every person that's found their way into this thread to complain about VW...there is likely dozens more (if not hundreds) that have no idea this issue is going on. I.e. A guy I work with has two CR TDI's. They've had no issues with them and he's yet to claim the "Goodwill" cards, because they aren't strapped and he's busy enough that he keeps forgetting about it.

Edit: If you take only a sampling of experience found on an internet forum...pretty much every vehicle that was ever made is a piece of $h1t.
 
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Another option that offered an extensive parts and labor extended warranty to 200,000 Miles instead of cash would be of interest to me. If VW has faith in their build quality, this would perhaps be a less expensive alternative than the others. To be able to drive the car without fear of repair bills would go a long way in restoring my happiness.
I would go for this in a heartbeat.
 

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Keep in mind that for every lemon that leads its owner to TDIClub to find a way to fix 'X' issue...there are AT LEAST 100 vehicles out there puttering along relatively problem free.

That is the nature of every vehicle forum. Two kinds of people find their way in: 1. People that had/have an issue with their car, and/or 2. People that are looking to modify their car.

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This is something that needs to be made a sticky, and required reading before anyone can post. I don't fit these categories, am something of an "outlier" because I've never owned a diesel before and have been trying to learn as much as possible about the vehicle....but the exception sometimes proves the rule. I think most people driving these cars aren't even aware this forum exists.
 

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Keep in mind that for every lemon that leads its owner to TDIClub to find a way to fix 'X' issue...there are AT LEAST 100 vehicles out there puttering along relatively problem free.

That is the nature of every vehicle forum. Two kinds of people find their way in: 1. People that had/have an issue with their car, and/or 2. People that are looking to modify their car.

This TDI emissions issue is a perfect example. For every person that's found their way into this thread to complain about VW...there is likely dozens more (if not hundreds) that have no idea this issue is going on. I.e. A guy I work with has two CR TDI's. They've had no issues with them and he's yet to claim the "Goodwill" cards, because they aren't strapped and he's busy enough that he keeps forgetting about it.

Edit: If you take only a sampling of experience found on an internet forum...pretty much every vehicle that was ever made is a piece of $h1t.
Though this is true, we have 3 of these vehicles and have had issues with all 3.

So yes indeed if you only read the forums, you would believe all cars are poo. We love our cars but they are most definitely not trouble free.

Nice goats!
 

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There are just too many to list....
The lion's share of all the CR TDIs I regularly service here are 100% trouble free, too. The ones that have had problems, though, have generally had the same problems. There is only one car that has had an issue that was strange. And I will say the ones that have had problems are generally of a higher frequency for those types of problems than any of the earlier TDIs (turbochargers, for instance) or have had problems with parts that simply didn't exist on earlier TDIs (DPFs, low pressure EGR, etc.)

We service a HUGE fleet of 2013 and 2014 Sportwagons for a big medical courier lab company. Only ever had one problem with any of those cars, and that was a bad DPF at 113k miles, and I am pretty sure a local tire chain that did/does some service on these cars used the wrong oil for most of its life. The ones that our shop and our shop alone service have not had a peep of trouble.

This company did have a lot of problems early on with A/C compressors, which almost certainly could have been fixed with RCVs but the dealers won't do that. We've never seen any of those cars of theirs with a bad RCV, but I do see a few others.

I am often left scratching my head at some of the issues people here post about. :cool:
 

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I have not logged into TDI forum or looked at this thread in a long time.

May I suggest to some of you folks obsessing..... STOP! :D

Free psychological & Life Coach Services....

You are welcome, now go enjoy life....
Here's an idea.... Log back out...

It amazes me that every so often a few of these guys will log back in just to try and insult the rest of us. If you do not like to hear the speculation, "whining", "complaining", "obsessing" or feel that VW is the greatest company on earth and your car is a 3,300 lb chunk of gold sitting in your garage... Please, no need to post on this thread telling the rest of us how we should feel about this mess.

The folks that have 10's of thousand's of dollars wrapped up in these vehicles, paid for numerous high dollar repairs, have thought of selling previous to the scandal are Genuinely concerned with the outcome of this mess... Is that really hard to understand?

The problem lies with those that post on this thread simply to insult the rest of us or tell us how we should feel. As far as psychological help is concerned... GMCjetpilot and few others may need it more than the rest of us...

**Now go whine and tell the mods that my post hurt your feelings and I disrespected you. Good god!
 

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Time to just let it go.
VW will not be ready on April 21 or whenever and the judge will schedule a trial for the summer and things will continue as is throughout.
VW will stonewall the thing until the hammer drops a a judgement is rendered.
They are incapable of anything else.
They hope the fines will be less than doing anything else.
Guilt is not a question, only how much it will cost and over how long a time.
BP is paying 20 or so billion over 20 years.
Probably VW is only concerned about it's higher ups and their liability.
No need to look for any news before trial starts.
Personally I plan to drive the cars I own and do with them what I want and if VW has to buy them back then that is their problem, not mine.
 

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Though this is true, we have 3 of these vehicles and have had issues with all 3.

So yes indeed if you only read the forums, you would believe all cars are poo. We love our cars but they are most definitely not trouble free.

Nice goats!
My fuel door stuck once. That's all (knock on wood). Well...that and I wore through three set of monster mats (under the clutch pedal) in ~18,000 miles. Stop and go traffic...wee!

If I didn't have ergonomic issues with the car (I'm 6'4" and spend 2+ hours/day in it), I likely wouldn't be complaining about this situation, as I would be one of the many that would just be happy that I was "getting mine" (in the form of awesome fuel economy).
 

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I am often left scratching my head at some of the issues people here post about. :cool:
Maybe you should talk to my checkbook. :rolleyes:

My garage kept, 2011 Golf TDI with 98,000 miles has had the following issues:

- Intercooler Icing - Dealer installed fix kit and icing still happened afterwards. Issue is only fixed by me physically dropping the belly pan, pulling the intercooler hoses, and draining the condensation on occasion.

- Backglass Washer hose rupture - Fixed this myself by pulling the hatch trim
panel and re-plumbing the washer hose with rubber (OEM is plastic) hose.

- HPFP failure @ approximately 65,000 miles. VW paid for the majority of parts/labor after much hassle, many phone calls, and aggressive arguments. Without looking at the paperwork, I think I paid $750-1000 for the entire replacement.

- EGR Valve/flapper replacement @ approx 75,000 miles. Local guru did the job.

- Glow plug/ pressure sensor replacement @ 90,000 miles. Done by me. Plug cost approx $100.00.

- 10 expensive oil changes, several fuel filters, air filters, cabin filters etc..

Now (as of late this winter) I am having hard starts, more frequent regens and thinking my DPF is on its way out. This is all before 100,000 miles on a very well maintained vehicle. Then at 120,000 (if not before) I will need a timing belt. Can you, or anyone else, convince me that the above is acceptable on a vehicle with less than 100,000 miles?? I sure am having a hard time believing it is.
 

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Diesels have always had issues.....I bought my first one in 1983 (A 1978). I spent Christmas eve morning in 10 degree weather replacing the glow plugs so it would start.

I've had a bunch of them.......not because they were trouble free. They weren't. I just liked them.

I still do but I will admit that while I've had no problems with mine and I want to keep it VW is hurting themselves by dragging all of this out. The quicker they could get this behind them the better off they will be.

There likely will be a trial. It will then be appealed and perhaps take years. VW thinks people will forget........I'm not so sure.
 

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I have complained enough, all I can say is I agree 100% with Mich.
VW literally dig their own grave with these TDIs.
They did it to them self as my old school buddy likes to remind me.
Or...they made their own bed....
People have to stop defending VW, I used to...not anymore...
I used to be a VW fan, used to be, cannot recommend VWs to family and friends.
The only difference is I can live 5 more years with this over engineered car, but that's it...last VW for me.

We just have to wait and see what Judge Breyer says.
 

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Though this is true, we have 3 of these vehicles and have had issues with all 3.

So yes indeed if you only read the forums, you would believe all cars are poo. We love our cars but they are most definitely not trouble free.

Nice goats!
First -- there are no nice goats:rolleyes:

Your (3) cars with issues is not an outlier -- How much $$$$ have you spent on repairs?

Buy 'em new?

Mileage?

etc?
 

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The only issue I've ever had is the little cover piece on the driver's door handle pops off from time to time. currently at 75,000.

For what it's worth, I baby it when it comes to maintenance, but beat the ever living $h1t out of it on the road.

I don't care how reliable this car has been, or the previous worry free VW's I've owned - 7 total over the years. VW and I are done. I'll be moving into a 335d or 328d as soon as the dust settles from all this and I will never own another VW.

If you had asked me 3 months ago I would have gladly stayed in brand provided VW offered me a pre-sept trade in value on something different. Six months with ZERO communication from the mothership? Unacceptable for me. Placating me with a 'Goodwill' package doesn't cut it. Communication is key and there has been none.
 
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