I suppose I didn't think about that part, but possibly due to having about a dozen or so laptops. Bought one at a swap meet a year ago that's small enough to keep in the car all the time, in the event I get a CEL and do need to look it up on VCDS.
I don't think that applies either, because that would imply strictly aftermarket, non-OEM parts. The DPF and ECU wouldn't be considered aftermarket, because it came with the vehicle from the factory.Hold your bingo cards everyone until we can verify we have a winner..
Let's not leave out this part:
"§ 85.2121 Decertification.
(a) The MOD Director may notify an aftermarket part manufacturer that the Agency has made a preliminary determination that one or more parts should be decertified."
"(b) If the aftermarket part manufacturer requests an opportunity to respond to the preliminary determination, the manufacturer and other parties interested in the MOD Director's decision whether to decertify a part may, within 15 days of the date of the request, submit written presentations, including the relevant information and data, to the MOD Director. The MOD Director, in his or her discretion, may provide an opportunity for oral presentations."
Bold for emphasis. I don't think this statue applies. Can't just pick out the parts we like
The car is not the problem. The problem for the owners is devaluation. The other problem is the pollution, which is more between the govt and vw.
Who said we where defrauded. I'm not. I want to keep my car, but if the EPA mandates it has to be turned in, what do you propose they will come up with a value? Will it be a simple reimbursement of what we paid? Will it be wholesale? What formula do they come up with?
You were defrauded. Wether you care or not is your choice but the simple fact remains fraud was perpetrated.
Think my post wasn't clear and should have been written " as a post scandel purchaser, I do not claim to be defruaded".
Mine is my 2nd vehicle so it is driven seldom and has uber low miles. That being said, I have yet to spend a dime of the goodwill cards, as I may need that in the event of a buyback/tradein/tradeup whatever scenario. I do not know what the ultimate disposition of the vehicle will be. Would like to keep it as is in the event of an emissions waiver (unlikely imo) so I could 'modify' it for RELIABILITY. We'll have a bit more clarity at the end of the week to see what our options are.
Three words: Hex-Net & tablet.
I'll have to do my 50k service in another month or two. I should have enough left on my dealer card to cover that though.
You are correct that in all likelihood you could ban the ECU from further production, but since there are plenty in circulation already, and they fail at a far lower rate than the other components, the DPF works, the LNT works as designed, just the combination of LNT, DPF and ECU doesn't meet the overall number. Who's to say the LNT isn't doing exactly what it is capable of, thus no basis to decertify it. If instead it was a box of rocks claiming to be a LNT, they could pull that cert, but it's doing what it claimed to as a part. Just the ECU changes engine behavior to the detriment of the DPF to drop NOx generation to the point the LNT works, enough to pass the test, so the ECU I can see getting decertified.
There are similar sections for original manufacturers as well.
No kidding, lol.
Actually, I have the HEX+CAN, and I usually use it with a Lenovo X220 Tablet. Plenty fast, but the Fujitsu was 10 bucks at a swap meet, and it's small enough to keep in the glove compartment or under the seat. And I might as well use it, right? My saying - use it or lose it.
Keep in mind there's NOTHING wrong with the ECU; rather, it's the software flashed into it that is the problem. The ECU is designed around a Infineon Tricore CPU, based on the StrongARM, which is designed expressly for automotive applications. It wouldn't surprise me if the actual hardware in the ECU is identical or slightly modified from other ECUs in other Bosch applications.
That won't be the EPA's job and they would not take the valuation factor on, as they have enough to do.
Outside of packaging, I'd bet even money on the internals match many, many others. You are correct that the ECU hardware itself just does what it is programmed to do. I suppose the correct way to phrase it, the ECU containing the cheat image could be decertified, so you couldn't sell the ECU containing that image anymore. Could you get another copy of it and load it, yes, but then you would violate another part of the law about altering certified equipment, not going into that land for this discussion, none of my business what someone does to their car, that's between the EPA and them.
Rabbits: Had a '75 (round headlight) and a Champaign '78. I can't write like this guy, but feel much the same. Well done, good sense of humor.
I sorta doubt WE will be learning anything on Thursday. Maybe I'm wrong.
It sounds like we must get our luck from the same fountain...
What is happening on Thursday? I haven't been keeping up with this as much as I had been...
There's a hearing in CA following-up on the one in February.
