Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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gmcjetpilot

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Top 10 cars with highest deprecitation in First Year...

10 Cadillac CTS 34%
9 Kia Optima 35%
8 Mitsubishi Lancer 35%
7 Chevy Express 37%
6 VW Beetle 37%
5 Kia Cadenza 38%
4 Chevy Camaro 39%
3 Merc Benz SL Class 41%
2 Dodge Charger 45%
1 Nissian Leaf 48%....
 

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I have no idea what to do with the $500 you can only spend at the dealership. I don't spend money at the dealership anyway, but with the future of the car being completely uncertain now, what's the point of getting new tires just so they can throw it in the crusher or mail it to South America or whatever they would do in the event of a buyback.

Meanwhile while they drag heel on the whole thing, the deadline for using the stupid thing is getting closer.

I just sold mine for $400 in paypal :rolleyes:

New tires were-was my fall back

to wit

You can get any size you want. -- even your other car(s) tire sizes.

Or just sell 'em:cool:
 

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Top 10 cars with highest deprecitation in First Year...

10 Cadillac CTS 34%
9 Kia Optima 35%
8 Mitsubishi Lancer 35%
7 Chevy Express 37%
6 VW Beetle 37%
5 Kia Cadenza 38%
4 Chevy Camaro 39%
3 Merc Benz SL Class 41%
2 Dodge Charger 45%
1 Nissian Leaf 48%....
OK --- I bite --- where does GOLF TDI come in:confused:

NOW?

BTW CADs are 4000-5000 pounds of steaming LUNCH MEAT
 

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Yes I was and I pretty much had to bend over and take it up the A$$
My Insurance co (St Farm) does a search for the other cars and what they have sold for in the area... so my car was valued at average fire sale prices.
Thankfully my claims rep was GREAT and paid for the car to be towed to the local VW dealer so that I could still get the loyalty cards LOL
Im kind of wondering what I should do, im thinking I should hold on to the car, even with a salvage title because it would only cost me 500$ +/-

Seems like a cheap gamble in the event VW makes right on the pre scandal market value.
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?

It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.
 

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Im kind of wondering what I should do, im thinking I should hold on to the car, even with a salvage title because it would only cost me 500$ +/-

Seems like a cheap gamble in the event VW makes right on the pre scandal market value.
Go to small claims for diminished value, unless your state doesn't recognize it. If someone, or a company does something that renders your physical property of less value, you can recover the loss they caused you. In some states the resale value of a car is lower after a wreck, and you can recover that delta from whomever hit you. VW caused you an economic loss to property you own, so there are already mechanisms in place to remedy that.
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?

It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.
The third camp is, you can fix it, but you also warranty the entire drivetrain for as long as I own it, effectively de-risk my acceptance of the fix.
 

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At first every time you said this I was like "What is this guy talking about," but now I think it's hilarious and am really close to using this in conversation!
Slim Cut ~~ Welcome aboard. ~~

Helpful when-if you know-understand what LUNCH MEAT is-means.
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?

It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.

I would be happy with a new exhaust and DEF tank (hopefully not at the expense of the spare tire) and I would not care if it had to be serviced every fill up. as long as it ends up cheaper than the fuel it replaces.)
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?

It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.
#1 - LEAVE IT ALONE !

#2 - Very Relunctantly - get it fixed (THink - damn near put a gun to my head) . Once a fix is announced, I doubt very much if my 2015 Golf TDI will ever see the dealer shop again. Only for SAFETY (not emission related) recalls will cause me to do this.

#3 - Long ways below #2 - buyback....
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?
It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.
I do not think retrofitting an untested SRC system into a gen1 TDI is a very good idea. The car was not designed to accomodate an SRC system. Too many unknown variables from performance expectations to warranty issues.
I would like an emissions waiver for the gen1 cars but I just don't see that happening. I'd entertain an exchange for a compliant VW vehicle if the incentive was generous.
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?
It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.
I have no problem with a fix as long as it is backed by a rock solid warranty.

I would rather it be left alone though, a fix sounds risky.

x2 on Leo's post !
 

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And again I ask, how to you deal w the guy who bought a used 09 golf last year for 11K, buy it back a full MSRP?? I keep asking everyone who says just have VW buy them back at MSRP, I do not think anyone has answered that yet. No idea how many 2 nd hand owners there are out there 20%? 50% ?


Why doesn't the EPA punish Volkswagen by making them purchase the cars back at retail price? Versus sticking them with some large fine and then leaving scraps for the consumer. This way they are punished having to buy the cars back at full retail and the cars are off the street.
 

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The "real " world fine will be about 10 cents on the dollar if history is any guide, both GM and Toyota settled for under 10% IIRC on their fines and GM's killed people, so I doubt VW is gonna pay anywhere near $37,000 per car.


I would like this, it would be a win/win/win for everyone. The fine is 37,500 per car. Lets say each TDI averaged 30,000, consumer gets that, Some more, some less), The EPA gets the balance, about 7,500 and VW still gets the hefty fine, of the 37,500. The EPA is the only part here that does not come out with the full amount they could and I doubt they will give up the percentage willingly so it's not going to happen.
 

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The third camp is, you can fix it, but you also warranty the entire drivetrain for as long as I own it, effectively de-risk my acceptance of the fix.
That's pretty close to my recommendation to my sister. We'll settle for free DEF for life if the fix involves a SCR retrofit, plus a lifetime warranty on anything that causes a check-engine light or causes it to fail a Drive Clean test (OBDII readiness check). If those conditions are not met then they can have the car back for pre-scandal fair market value.

There is no way we will accept major modifications to the vehicle without a solid warranty on said modifications and anything that those modifications could consequently effect ... like the entire emission control system.
 

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I agree that the fix should have a very good warranty since we did not have a chance to evaluate the problems as we did before we bought it in the first place.
I don't care to have maintenance problems because of the fix.
I think the robustness of the fix is one of the holdups for CARB and the EPA>
 

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That's pretty close to my recommendation to my sister. We'll settle for free DEF for life if the fix involves a SCR retrofit, plus a lifetime warranty on anything that causes a check-engine light or causes it to fail a Drive Clean test (OBDII readiness check). If those conditions are not met then they can have the car back for pre-scandal fair market value.
There is no way we will accept major modifications to the vehicle without a solid warranty on said modifications and anything that those modifications could consequently effect ... like the entire emission control system.
How has your 2006 Diesel held up reliability and maintenance wise ?

Are you happy with your costs to date ?

Any expensive issues ?
 

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Well to be fair there is a big price difference of a golf vs a X5, I would say if VW/ Audi cheated with their Q7 TDI you may have a point.


Great

What the hell is-was VW cheating for

If BMW can do it,

Why not VW
 

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And again I ask, how to you deal w the guy who bought a used 09 golf last year for 11K, buy it back a full MSRP?? I keep asking everyone who says just have VW buy them back at MSRP, I do not think anyone has answered that yet. No idea how many 2 nd hand owners there are out there 20%? 50% ?
Most of the people I've seen arguing for full MSRP are doing so with the acknowledgement that it'll be a voucher for a compliant VW. The idea is to make sure someone can at least get into a comparable vehicle without too much out of pocket expense.

It's not meant to be an argument in support of people skipping away with an extra $10,000 in their pockets simply because they bought a used vehicle a year or two ago.
 

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Most of the people I've seen arguing for full MSRP are doing so with the acknowledgement that it'll be a voucher for a compliant VW. The idea is to make sure someone can at least get into a comparable vehicle without too much out of pocket expense.

So someone who just bought a used '09 TDI for say $10k should get the original MSRP on that car towards a new VW?
 

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So someone who just bought a used '09 TDI for say $10k should get the original MSRP on that car towards a new VW?
Oh sure....I hear they might even let you enter the cash booth and grab money after you get your new car.:D
 

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And again I ask, how to you deal w the guy who bought a used 09 golf last year for 11K, buy it back a full MSRP?? I keep asking everyone who says just have VW buy them back at MSRP, I do not think anyone has answered that yet. No idea how many 2 nd hand owners there are out there 20%? 50% ?
Who cares? What does it matter to you if someone else gets $'X' for their car?:confused: I bought my TDI new...as with my other three VWs...and I don't care.

If VW offered me pre-scandal fair market value I would give them the keys, run down to GMC and hop in a new Sierra 1500, and give exactly zero f***s about what anyone else might get for their TDI.
 

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Most of the people I've seen arguing for full MSRP are doing so with the acknowledgement that it'll be a voucher for a compliant VW. The idea is to make sure someone can at least get into a comparable vehicle without too much out of pocket expense.

It's not meant to be an argument in support of people skipping away with an extra $10,000 in their pockets simply because they bought a used vehicle a year or two ago.
Obviously nobody outside of VW knows anything but I find it highly likely that VW will buy your car back or give you a voucher for a new one only if it's the cheapest option. I'm sure older gen 1s will just be bought back at 1.x times pre scandal value....not msrp. Or some of us gen2/3 owners will get a fix and an I'm sorry check .
 
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Who cares? What does it matter to you if someone else gets $'X' for their car?:confused: I bought my TDI new...as with my other three VWs...and I don't care.
If VW offered me pre-scandal fair market value I would give them the keys, run down to GMC and hop in a new Sierra 1500, and give exactly zero f***s about what anyone else might get for their TDI.

Uh.... no one said anything about fair market value - that would actually be somewhat "fair"

MSRP is what makes us chuckle
 

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And again I ask, how to you deal w the guy who bought a used 09 golf last year for 11K, buy it back a full MSRP?? I keep asking everyone who says just have VW buy them back at MSRP, I do not think anyone has answered that yet. No idea how many 2 nd hand owners there are out there 20%? 50% ?
Makes no difference to me what other people end up with, they could be 10th owner for all I care. Buyback/trade in is not complicated, come up with a take it or leave it set of numbers, go. The goal with buyback/trade in for EPA is getting the cars off the road, the goal for VW is to have high participation to help mitigate the EPA fines - who owns the vehicle is irrelevant to them - we as individuals do not matter to them.


The "real " world fine will be about 10 cents on the dollar if history is any guide, both GM and Toyota settled for under 10% IIRC on their fines and GM's killed people, so I doubt VW is gonna pay anywhere near $37,000 per car.
Partially true. They settled the fine portion for pennies on the dollar, the remedies and compensation cost them greatly. If VW was foolish enough to take a 'so fine me' stance they'd get a massive fine. .and still be on the hook for further sanctions/fines/lawsuits.
 

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They will basically do just enough to get the majority of us to waive out right to sue.
 

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Are there any TDI owners out here who would be happy with a fix?
It appears we have two camps - leave it alone or buy it back.
I wouldn't be happy with a fix but not because it's a fix, it's because of the time involved. My plans have already been placed on hold by VW for 5 months, a fix may be months and months, maybe a year plus, away. I shouldn't be made to wait that long to unload my vehicle for a fair price due to their fraud. Had this not happened I'd likely be in a new vehicle right now.
 
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