Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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dgoodhue

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So I just stopped by my local VW dealership and walked into the service department. I told the manager that I had a 2011 tdi sport wagon that was due for a timing belt change. I mentioned I was a little uncertain as wether I should get this done due to the possible buyback. He told me what ever happens won't be for at least two years down the road, at best. Not sure what I should do, I got 146K on it which are 80% highway miles (70 miles per day, 75mph dual lane highway driving) Am I driving a time bomb? I've been running my truck the past few weeks and just letting the VW sit..
At the this point, VW has to first come up with an emission solution to the EPA. VW has also share holder meeting in late April. Unless the EPA solution include a buyback solution, I doubt we will hear anything about potential buyback until after the shareholder meeting. Even if VW EPA solution is to buyback all gen 1 TDI, the logistics of buyback 400,000 is going to take months. it easily could be 6 months even if a buyback is announced soon. If their is a buyback, you will have a window of opportunity (I would guess at least 1 year) to have your car bought back anyways.

You're already over the timing belt interval, so driving your car at this point is a gamble that the odds of a timing belt failure are only going to get worse. Personally I would do the timing belt. Not on the same cost scale, but my wife sliced the sidewall of her tire in November, so I installed her snow tires at the time. I thought that I would know more about the resolution by now, but I am just going to buy a new tire in April. I could run without a spare, but I am not going to.
 

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<snip> I really don't want a new one, but I won't accept a fix that doesn't come with a lifetime warranty.
This is one of the best "wish lists" I've read. Even though we own an SCR car, and have had NO troubles, there's no way of telling what VW is going to want to do to it. So forget any more "goodwill" payments, give me a lifetime powertrain warranty (to include all emissions components and the entire SCR system including pump, heater, tank, etc.), parts and labor, and I'd sign off on that.
 

autdi

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You forgot "group I don't know anymore." That group is me. Original plan was to drive my 09 into the dirt, but with a HPFP failure, exhaust flap failure, transmission failure, and a few sensors going bad I'm worried about longevity. That, plus facing the 120k service coming due in under 500 miles and needing new tires, I will gladly get the hell outta this car if they make a reasonable offer. I have too much fear that reliability won't make keeping it long term worthwhile, and I don't want to drop $2000 between the service and the tires only to have them buy it back.

At this point I'm just done with the car and possibly VW...and I don't want to put another dollar into it. If their "fix" is to give me a ****ty buyback offer, I'll probably just gut the DPF and get a tune and go back to the original plan of keeping it forever...but I certainly will never own a VW again. The alternative plan to that is to take a road trip to VW NA headquarters and drive the car full speed into the building, jumping out right before contact and walking away slowly as things explode.
This is really a short term product of not knowing the fix. With a lifetime warranty you would likely get the timing belt, normal maintenance, done and keep driving. I've got a while before those big ticket maintenance items come up, but I see the issue, the maintenance item is not about the prior 120k, but rather for the next 120k miles. I'd expect to be compensated for that as a part of the buyback, for that matter, any high ticket PM done would need to be covered in the buyback value, basically credit for whatever percent of the added lifespan the PM was unused at the buyback time would need to be added.
 

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This is one of the best "wish lists" I've read. Even though we own an SCR car, and have had NO troubles, there's no way of telling what VW is going to want to do to it. So forget any more "goodwill" payments, give me a lifetime powertrain warranty (to include all emissions components and the entire SCR system including pump, heater, tank, etc.), parts and labor, and I'd sign off on that.
Basically I want to remove risk of whatever the hack job does to the car. I liked the car pre-2306, and could really care less about the NOx cheat. But I won't take on new risk of whatever the final fix is, that's why the warranty is the thing that makes it acceptable. I have no lifetime risk associated with the fix, and knowing that everything in the powertrain is intertwined, there is no way I would take a, free DEF forever and SCR covered, the system I bought and accepted the risk on changed. I'm ok having to document everything PM done to schedule, and even paying for all that PM.
 

bubbagumpshrimp

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No way it will take 2 years or more. Do you know how many more lawsuits will roll in if that happens? We can't sell or trade these damn things for even a fraction of what they should be worth. If I have to wait two years I will absolutely be filing my own lawsuit against them. Why not. If I have years to wait I might as well go at them as hard as I can. And I have a feeling there will be many more who do the same. VW wants this to be done and over with. No car manufacturer wants to drag out something this damaging for any longer than needed.

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Dealers are probably saying two years or more because it increases the likelihood of someone either paying $$$ to get their car served or just saying "f*** it" and trading in on a new car (because there's nowhere else that will take it). Win/win for them.

If they said "we might know something soon..." those same people will not pony up the cash to do expensive maintenance and/or will wait to trade-in...in the hopes of a buyback or far more generous trade-in incentive.
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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Looking at my fleet, the ages are 10, 13, 16, and 2. So, I'm in the last group. Whole to me is not changing the performance characteristics of the car, 2306 screwed with the regen, and the car runs awful in town during one. To me, the fix has to correct 2306, and not mess with the longevity of the car, I'm in it for another 14+ years. I'd expect at a bare minimum lifetime powertrain and exhaust warranty. I don't expect bumper to bumper, but since the emissions messes with so much under the hood, and in the pipe to the back, anything in there I expect them to cover for as long as I own it. If that means I have to document everything done to it, that's fine, I've got a folder on each of the cars anyway. To me, a new TDI as a replacement for the 2014 would probably be cheaper to VW than covering the current one in a fixed state for 14+ years, at least at that point the liability they have is done with the swap. I really don't want a new one, but I won't accept a fix that doesn't come with a lifetime warranty.
My 2 cents ~~ for the other class. :) ~~ Low Mikeage -- Garage Kept -- One owner -- Clean Title -- 100% pure on a CARFAX ~~ gently driven 60% highway 40% City

6-7 months old,

Now in the garage with ~ 1,755 ~ miles.

Intended to be last car ~~ ever

My last few years of driving = about 3,000 miles per year

Lately have been flipping family cars about every 4-12 years

Never been to a car wash -- And only HAND washed one time ~~ But needs a wash currently -- intend to do that soon.

Zero dogs, cats, monkeys, goats, birds ever in the car.

Never on a sanded or SALTED road

Bought ~ 6 ~ months after scandal
 

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Anyone ~~ why can the local dealer STILL claim "CLEAN DIESEL?
Because they washed it! ;)
 

kitarkus

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I've been thinking of what I'd like to say to Matthias Mueller....unfortunately I cannot type it on this forum as I believe the moderators would sensibly kick me off the board.
 

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YES WAY...Why do you think this is going to be soon or quick? They are
still paying out 911 and BP oil claims how many years later? Lawsuits can
happen, and those often can take years. I "sued" VW and it took a year.

You are confusing what you want or think should happen and reality... VW
is in no rush. Delay is good for VW, but not indefinitely, they need to get
this off their books. This may be your whole world, but the rest of the world
does not care.

They know drivers are happy to keep driving with no fix and $1000
goodwill. Some are angsts ridden and will sell or trade their car and just
move on, just out of normal course... Anyone who buys a used car is likely
not going to get any compensation, except a fix if any.

This happened in Sept 2015, almost 6 months ago already. It will be
another year or more before anything happens. VW is focusing on Europe
and delay is their friend.
LOL, why do you bother posting just made up crap? All I'll say is, you're out of your mind. There is a 100% chance this is all sorted and finished by the end of summer. Delay is terrible for VW for many reasons, there is literally not a single reason its good for them.
 

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My 2 cents ~~ for the other class. :) ~~ Low Mikeage -- Garage Kept -- One owner -- Clean Title -- 100% pure on a CARFAX ~~ gently driven 60% highway 40% City

6-7 months old,

Now in the garage with ~ 1,755 ~ miles.

Intended to be last car ~~ ever

My last few years of driving = about 3,000 miles per year

Lately have been flipping family cars about every 4-12 years

Never been to a car wash -- And only HAND washed one time ~~ But needs a wash currently -- intend to do that soon.

Zero dogs, cats, monkeys, goats, birds ever in the car.

Never on a sanded or SALTED road

Bought ~ 6 ~ months after scandal
You must be the only guy in Oklahoma that's not driving a jacked up and dirty pickup truck!:D
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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You must be the only guy in Oklahoma that's not driving a jacked up and dirty pickup truck!:D

:eek:


As a fly over area ~~ many many years ago, my girl friend had some Yankee relatives for a long visit in Tulsa.

One suit case had 10-12 rolls of T. T. paper ~~ and 3 bars of hand soap:rolleyes:
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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LOL, why do you bother posting just made up crap? All I'll say is, you're out of your mind. There is a 100% chance this is all sorted and finished by the end of summer. Delay is terrible for VW for many reasons, there is literally not a single reason its good for them.
Yes delay is awful for ALL parties.

Hope you are correct with this being over the Summer. But, respectfully, do not thing so:)
 

geodug

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The beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning?

US judge wants answer by March 24 from Volkswagen, EPA on whether sides have agreed on acceptable diesel emissions fix - Reuters
 

aja8888

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Originally Posted by Pseudonym:
LOL, why do you bother posting just made up crap? All I'll say is, you're out of your mind. There is a 100% chance this is all sorted and finished by the end of summer. Delay is terrible for VW for many reasons, there is literally not a single reason its good for them.
Actually, delay is the best thing for VW to do given the possible fines and penalties. The longer they can stretch this out, the less they will have to pay for buybacks. Also, delaying allows the company to set aside funds to be paid at a later date, preserving current cash and keeping shareholders happy. It's done all the time when a company is facing a large financial liability.
 

mjLyco

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The beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning?
US judge wants answer by March 24 from Volkswagen, EPA on whether sides have agreed on acceptable diesel emissions fix - Reuters
On March 24, they'll say "No, we haven't". Its a nothing date like every one before it.
 

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I would gladly accept a fix if it was supported by a lifetime warrantee on drivetrain and emissions equipment.

That would certainly keep current owners happy and would ne an unprecidented move by VW. It could be good publicity, really. People would want to keep their cars if they had a lifetime warrantee.
 

kitarkus

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Actually, delay is the best thing for VW to do given the possible fines and penalties. The longer they can stretch this out, the less they will have to pay for buybacks. Also, delaying allows the company to set aside funds to be paid at a later date, preserving current cash and keeping shareholders happy. It's done all the time when a company is facing a large financial liability.
The notion that "the longer VW waits...the fewer TDI's there will be to be bought back...due to collision or natural end of life for cars...thus the less cash outlay for VW" is patently absurd. VW couldn't give a $hi! whether there are an extra 10,000 TDI's which need to be bought back +/-. Given the enormity of VW's potential liability in this mess.....a few extra TDI's just DON'T MATTER.
 

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I would gladly accept a fix if it was supported by a lifetime warrantee on drivetrain and emissions equipment.

That would certainly keep current owners happy and would ne an unprecidented move by VW. It could be good publicity, really. People would want to keep their cars if they had a lifetime warrantee.

Yes ~~ good enough on point 1

Really yes on part 2 BECAUSE MY CAR would have much higher resale value as long as I own it:)

resale -- resale -- resale -- :rolleyes:
 

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From Reuters:

Breyer said he wants a definite answer by March 24 from VW and the Environmental Protection Administration on whether the sides have found an acceptable fix for the vehicles.
From VW and EPA on March 24th:

Ahhh...no sir, we haven't, but we are still working on it.:p
 

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The notion that "the longer VW waits...the fewer TDI's there will be to be bought back...due to collision or natural end of life for cars...thus the less cash outlay for VW" is patently absurd. VW couldn't give a $hi! whether there are an extra 10,000 TDI's which need to be bought back +/-. Given the enormity of VW's potential liability in this mess.....a few extra TDI's just DON'T MATTER.
Dam straight
 
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