Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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Another note - since there will be plenty of lawsuits brewing, they will be condensed into a class-action. That's the whole purpose of class-action suits, is to group all of the similar issues together in the hopes of limiting duplicate work for the same situation. These guys aren't the only firm suing on the basis of lost value due to the scandal, lemon-law or whatever tactic they are taking.

And for those saying "no one expects to sell a used car for new car prices", getting you into a new car in trade for your used one is exactly that...getting a new car value (either in trade or cash) for a use vehicle.
I said no one expects that in a normal situation. Take the scandal out of the situation, and no one would expect to get a new car for a car that's been used. Common sense.

Put the scandal in the situation, AND if there is a buyback, then VW will likely have to go above what the "normal" situation to get a high amount of cars back. That's where it "seems" people are being greedy - I'm in a situation where if VW offered me what it was worth pre scandal I'd be taking a step back in car or coming out of pocket to upgrade.

The speculation regarding trade in for a new VW is just that - and it is people stating either that's what VW would need to do to keep them with the brand OR people stating the offer would have to be too good to be true to get them to move. Again, no one expects that - just stating the extreme.

I fully expect VW to offer the least they can while trying to capture as many repeat customers as possible. I have a feeling we'll all be disappointed by the ultimate outcome - and it will take a pretty decent amount or incentive for me to stay with VW after this - but I'm not expecting it.
 

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OK so far nothing has happened there are goats and fliphones and how dare someone just like new things, and a liberal or two lol got it.
And speaking of goats - another use for my JSW. Transporting 7 kids to get tattooed and disbudded:


 

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Not really anticipating a $1400 incident, I unfortunately have insurance with a $1000 deductible.

I will eventually get it fixed, even with the uncertainty of dieselgate, but it's also tax season AND I need new tires. It's the perfect financial storm.

I am passionate about my cars, so it does bother me having the dent. If I did the dent pushing the limits in a corner, it would be a scar of honor, but a lame hit and run is straight up weaksauce.
My insurance has no deductible for things like this. They waive the deductible.
Donald
Isn't that considered uninsured motorist coverage? I think whether the deductible is waived or not varies by carrier. I only had to use it once, when my JSW was rear ended 4 years ago on I-10 (total payout was around $8500-ish). I hit a racoon 2 weeks ago, but both my comp and collision deductibles are $100, so it'd be stupid for me to NOT get it fixed.
 

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Sold and wrecked/totaled are different things, one is still a choice, the other, unless you were at fault, you didn't go out and say, today I'll get my car totaled.

Most states have diminished value laws, you suffered a monetary loss as a result of their action, you subsequently locked in that loss when the car totaled out for less than before deiselgate. Many states this is a simple small claims court proceeding. VW would likely pay out rather than fight it, as these are not class groups, but rather specific individual losses.
I doubt that too many people will take advantage of that. Anything that involves a level of effort beyond breathing and clicking a key or two on a keyboard...your participation rate is going to be low.

I get that there are options for people. I think that the average person will just stay home and sputter before they go file in small claims court though.
 

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Isn't that considered uninsured motorist coverage? I think whether the deductible is waived or not varies by carrier. I only had to use it once, when my JSW was rear ended 4 years ago on I-10 (total payout was around $8500-ish). I hit a racoon 2 weeks ago, but both my comp and collision deductibles are $100, so it'd be stupid for me to NOT get it fixed.
Not in GA...they won't let you use Uninsured for hit and run. There are 4 or 5 states that do that. Most big name carriers waive the deductible on your collision if it is hit and run. I also carry low deductibles...our insurance is cheap enough.

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I'm curious to see what comes out of it. i.e. An idea of just how little progress has been made towards a resolution.

VW hearing on diesel suits may provide clues on settlement progress
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...uits-may-provide-clues-on-settlement-progress

WASHINGTON -- A federal judge will hold a hearing Thursday that may offer the first details on any progress in settling over 500 lawsuits filed against Volkswagen AG, a top supplier and many current and former top executives over excess emissions in 580,000 U.S. diesel vehicles.

Late Monday, lawyers representing owners filed a consolidated 719-page complaint against VW, supplier Robert Bosch, which helped develop emissions controls, along with VW's current and former CEOs and other executives, accusing them of racketeering, mail and wire fraud, among other misconduct.

The plaintiffs are asking that VW be ordered to buy back vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, and pay "significant" damages.

The suits have been consolidated before U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco. Lawyers for VW, the Justice Department and owners plan to update Breyer on the settlement process Thursday.
 
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That article juts sounds like more regurgitation of every other news article over the past 2 months.
After the initial 1-2 paragraphs of "news" (in this case tomorrows hearing)...they do all seem to copy and paste a one size fits all overview. I'm assuming that's so they can hit their 'xxx' word requirement that was imposed by their editor. Well...that and laziness.
 

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After the initial 1-2 paragraphs of "news" (in this case tomorrows hearing)...they do all seem to copy and paste a one size fits all overview. I'm assuming that's so they can hit their 'xxx' word requirement that was imposed by their editor. Well...that and laziness.
That too, but it seems like all these articles ALL regurgitate the basic facts of the case, as if they were intended towards those who aren't familiar with the issue. It's downright annoying, which is one reason why I don't frequently visit news sites (while missing out on world events, like finding out a week after the fact that Supreme Court Justice Scalia passed away, here in TX).
 

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That too, but it seems like all these articles ALL regurgitate the basic facts of the case, as if they were intended towards those who aren't familiar with the issue. It's downright annoying, which is one reason why I don't frequently visit news sites (while missing out on world events, like finding out a week after the fact that Supreme Court Justice Scalia passed away, here in TX).
Yup. That's exactly what they're doing.
 

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That too, but it seems like all these articles ALL regurgitate the basic facts of the case, as if they were intended towards those who aren't familiar with the issue. It's downright annoying, which is one reason why I don't frequently visit news sites (while missing out on world events, like finding out a week after the fact that Supreme Court Justice Scalia passed away, here in TX).
I would've thought that all Texans are well informed about Scalia's potential successor saga, given your reputation for loving freedom and the the Second Amendment;)
 

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Just purchased a used 2013 Golf TDI. Since i Purchased post stop sale will I be excluded from any settlement you think. Not worried about it. I love the car and wanted to make sure I owned one more TDI before any possible chance they will no longer be available in USA.

Funny story, I was heading from Charlotte to DC to pick up a 2015 closeout TDI the morning the stop sale came in. I was 1/2 hour away from leaving when the dealer emailed me and told me the bad news.
 

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I would've thought that all Texans are well informed about Scalia's potential successor saga, given your reputation for loving freedom and the the Second Amendment;)
I would've thought the same, but when you work 7 days a week and don't watch TV nor subscribe to a newspaper that you don't have time to read anyways, it doesn't always work that way.
 

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Note to self: don't buy used cars -specially wagons- from pkhoury.....
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Especially considering that if I am selling a used wagon, it's probably been used and abused beyond its expected lifetime. ;-)
 

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So I just stopped by my local VW dealership and walked into the service department. I told the manager that I had a 2011 tdi sport wagon that was due for a timing belt change. I mentioned I was a little uncertain as wether I should get this done due to the possible buyback. He told me what ever happens won't be for at least two years down the road, at best. Not sure what I should do, I got 146K on it which are 80% highway miles (70 miles per day, 75mph dual lane highway driving) Am I driving a time bomb? I've been running my truck the past few weeks and just letting the VW sit..


No way it will take 2 years or more. Do you know how many more lawsuits will roll in if that happens? We can't sell or trade these damn things for even a fraction of what they should be worth. If I have to wait two years I will absolutely be filing my own lawsuit against them. Why not. If I have years to wait I might as well go at them as hard as I can. And I have a feeling there will be many more who do the same. VW wants this to be done and over with. No car manufacturer wants to drag out something this damaging for any longer than needed.


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I said no one expects that in a normal situation. Take the scandal out of the situation, and no one would expect to get a new car for a car that's been used. Common sense.
Put the scandal in the situation, AND if there is a buyback, then VW will likely have to go above what the "normal" situation to get a high amount of cars back. That's where it "seems" people are being greedy - I'm in a situation where if VW offered me what it was worth pre scandal I'd be taking a step back in car or coming out of pocket to upgrade.
The speculation regarding trade in for a new VW is just that - and it is people stating either that's what VW would need to do to keep them with the brand OR people stating the offer would have to be too good to be true to get them to move. Again, no one expects that - just stating the extreme.
I fully expect VW to offer the least they can while trying to capture as many repeat customers as possible. I have a feeling we'll all be disappointed by the ultimate outcome - and it will take a pretty decent amount or incentive for me to stay with VW after this - but I'm not expecting it.
Great points!

I think the main thing going on with people who want a buyback is the following:

1 - people who want pre-scandal prices with the possibility of something extra to sweeten the deal. They are considering that the car is used and that there is a possibility that VW will take the full price and back out mileage.

2 - people who want to get full value for the car (and maybe even more to sweeten the deal). These people think that being lied to about the cleanliness of the vehicle constitute some kind of fraud against them personally and want to be compensated for it

I too think VW will offer he minimum to owners UNLESS the EPA tells them that the penalty is reduced for each Gen1 removed from the road. $40K penalty per car versus book value + 25% may be a bargain for them (especially if they can reuse the cars purchased like in the Ram buybacks).

Here's a similar situation:
You purchase a leather jacket in 2012 for $1,000 and take it to the local dry-cleaner every month to have it cleaned.

You have it cleaned monthly and are happy with the results and in fact the jacket looks great.

Then this month you read a report that the EPA is fining the cleaning company because the chemicals used in the cleaning process are banned but were being used without permission (and were being dumped in to the local water source).

The jacket can still be worn, there's very little trace of poison, and in fact tests show that other leather jackets have more chemicals in them (some worse and some better). This makes the daily news and the press is all over it. The jacket falls out of favor with the population. it might as well be a Members Only jacket.

How many people would expect a completely new jacket because they had been telling their friends that the jacket was washed in the tears of baby jeebus but were actually washed in Flint Michigan tap water?

Would people expect to be made whole by being compensated for the book value of the jacket? Maybe a little extra? Does the fact that the dry cleaner lied to the EPA and not you weigh into this? Is it our job to punish the cleaner or is it the EPA's job?

While my post above is in jest - there's parts of it that still ring true. Watch enough court shows and you'll see that litigants don't get to profit from the issue - they get to be made whole. Damages are only rewarded if provable, like lost wages or damaged property. Loss of resale value could come into play but there are many factors that affect the value from low fuel prices to which way the wind is blowing.

Thoughts?
 

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It depends how much you want to push your luck. I bought my car at 154000 miles, and the timing belt was not done. Being afraid not to suffer a major breakdown on my way to GEC, I had it towed there. Paranoid, say you? Maybe, But I don't feel bad about spending $150 for 68 miles. The reverse would've been a lot worst.
I would not jump over 150k if I were you. The recommended TB job interval is 120k, someone correct me if I am wrong(CRD)

Think for the 09 it's 120,000 but my 12 is 130,000 according to the book. I'm at 123,000 ish and still driving it a bunch. Don't think I'll push it must past 135,000 for the timing belt. Just need to find a good shop in south Orange County. Really don't want to give vw another cent.
 

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Goats and JSWs...they go together like milk and cookies. :)
LOL. Actually, it seems tonight my JSW is a wildlife magnet more than a goat magnet. Hit not one, but TWO deer at the same time. Only cracked my bumper and front grill, which are supposed to be replaced anyways. And then hit a dead coon on the way back. Since that's the only damage, I think that means I'm destined to keep my JSW, regardless of VW's final resolution. ;-)
 

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No way it will take 2 years or more. Do you know how many more lawsuits
will roll in if that happens? We can't sell or trade these damn things for
even a fraction of what they should be worth. If I have to wait two years I
will absolutely be filing my own lawsuit against them. Why not. If I have
years to wait I might as well go at them as hard as I can. And I have a
feeling there will be many more who do the same. VW wants this to be
done and over with. No car manufacturer wants to drag out something this
damaging for any longer than needed.
YES WAY...Why do you think this is going to be soon or quick? They are
still paying out 911 and BP oil claims how many years later? Lawsuits can
happen, and those often can take years. I "sued" VW and it took a year.

You are confusing what you want or think should happen and reality... VW
is in no rush. Delay is good for VW, but not indefinitely, they need to get
this off their books. This may be your whole world, but the rest of the world
does not care.

They know drivers are happy to keep driving with no fix and $1000
goodwill. Some are angsts ridden and will sell or trade their car and just
move on, just out of normal course... Anyone who buys a used car is likely
not going to get any compensation, except a fix if any.

This happened in Sept 2015, almost 6 months ago already. It will be
another year or more before anything happens. VW is focusing on Europe
and delay is their friend.
 

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No way it will take 2 years or more. Do you know how many more lawsuits
will roll in if that happens? We can't sell or trade these damn things for
even a fraction of what they should be worth. If I have to wait two years I
will absolutely be filing my own lawsuit against them. Why not. If I have
years to wait I might as well go at them as hard as I can. And I have a
feeling there will be many more who do the same. VW wants this to be
done and over with. No car manufacturer wants to drag out something this
damaging for any longer than needed.
YES WAY...Why do you think this is going to be soon or quick? They are
still paying out 911 and BP oil claims how many years later? Lawsuits can
happen, and those often can take years. I "sued" VW and it took a year.

You are confusing what you want or think should happen and reality... VW
is in no rush. Delay is good for VW, but not indefinitely, they need to get
this off their books. This may be your whole world, but the rest of the world
does not care.

They know drivers are happy to keep driving with no fix and $1000
goodwill. Some are angsts ridden and will sell or trade their car and just
move on, just out of normal course... Anyone who buys a used car is likely
not going to get any compensation, except a fix if any.

This happened in Sept 2015, almost 6 months ago already. It will be
another year or more before anything happens. VW is focusing on Europe
and delay is their friend.
 

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No way it will take 2 years or more. Do you know how many more lawsuits
will roll in if that happens? We can't sell or trade these damn things for
even a fraction of what they should be worth. If I have to wait two years I
will absolutely be filing my own lawsuit against them. Why not. If I have
years to wait I might as well go at them as hard as I can. And I have a
feeling there will be many more who do the same. VW wants this to be
done and over with. No car manufacturer wants to drag out something this
damaging for any longer than needed.
YES WAY...Why do you think this is going to be soon or quick? They are
still paying out 911 and BP oil claims how many years later? Lawsuits can
happen, and those often can take years. I "sued" VW and it took a year.

You are confusing what you want or think should happen and reality... VW
is in no rush. Delay is good for VW, but not indefinitely, they need to get
this off their books. This may be your whole world, but the rest of the world
does not care. The damage is done, but it's not as damaging as you think.
Again this is not exploding Pinto or runaway Toyota or shrapnel airbags
or non functioning airbags due to ignition switches.... on and on... People
have short attention spans...

They know drivers are happy to keep driving with no fix and $1000
goodwill. Some are angsts ridden and will sell or trade their car and just
move on, just out of normal course... Anyone who buys a used TDI is likely
not going to get any compensation, except a fix if any or a highly discounted
buyback (which I doubt).

This happened in Sept 2015, almost 6 months ago already. It will be
another year or more before anything happens. VW is focusing on Europe
and delay is their friend.
 
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Most every time I google VW (anything) one of the first positions is like the above.


Anyone ~~ why can the local dealer STILL claim "CLEAN DIESEL?
 

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As misery loves company

As an owner with no settlement in sight.

I see the vw share holders are currently down ~ 60% in value.

vw bond holders are down in value too.

Guessing vw will-is ponying up more for the bank loans ~~ or subsidizing sales for new car buyers. Bankers and Debt holders are no fools.

i. e. Some "WELL QUALIFIED" new car buyers will chill out over $10-$20 more in a payment.

Not to say anything about no TDI's for sale
 

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Most every time I google VW (anything) one of the first positions is like the above.


Anyone ~~ why can the local dealer STILL claim "CLEAN DIESEL?
Well technically they are still "clean". PM, HCs and VOCs and way low compared to other diesels and gassers. Just NOx is higher. PM is what considered "dirt" and that is lower than most gassers.

I don't agree with the marketing campaign but its still valid statement.
 

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Great points!

I think the main thing going on with people who want a buyback is the following:

1 - people who want pre-scandal prices with the possibility of something extra to sweeten the deal. They are considering that the car is used and that there is a possibility that VW will take the full price and back out mileage.

2 - people who want to get full value for the car (and maybe even more to sweeten the deal). These people think that being lied to about the cleanliness of the vehicle constitute some kind of fraud against them personally and want to be compensated for it

<snip>

While my post above is in jest - there's parts of it that still ring true. Watch enough court shows and you'll see that litigants don't get to profit from the issue - they get to be made whole. Damages are only rewarded if provable, like lost wages or damaged property. Loss of resale value could come into play but there are many factors that affect the value from low fuel prices to which way the wind is blowing.

Thoughts?
What is being made whole is the issue. There are a couple of types of folks, the first that buys and sells in 3-5 years, they just want a new car, probably should be leasing, but aren't in it for the long haul. Those folks are at the end of the time they would have kept the 2011-12 models anyway and now can't get out. For them, pre-scandal trade effectively makes them whole, they don't care about the fix, they just want out and at a price that they don't take a bath on the trade value. For those that bought 13-15, any fix is unlike to kill the car in the 1-2 years they still keep it, but they still want to be able to trade at the anticipated, historical pattern of decline the trade prices followed 1-2 years out.

The next one keeps for 7-10 years, or are the skipping a generation then buy again. Perhaps they save up in that 7-10 years to pay cash for the next one. They are used to trading and seeing their trade in go directly to the bargain row on the lot, they used up most of it. They still want to be able to trade, but reasonable folks would take 3-4k for the trade, it's going to be high miles, the next guy buying won't pay top dollar for it. For those in the 2009-11 range, they are probably getting close to that point, and want a fair trade in. For those that bought 12-15, they may have 7 years in the car still, so the fix matters to them, lower MPH, or things that break due to the fix matter.

The last group is keeping it until the wheels fall off, the fix matters if it alters anything about the expected life of the car.

So what is made whole varies, and those that drive to the wheels fall off, and the keep it longer time folks that are early in the span will have a completely different version of whole than those that need pre-scandal trade values.

Looking at my fleet, the ages are 10, 13, 16, and 2. So, I'm in the last group. Whole to me is not changing the performance characteristics of the car, 2306 screwed with the regen, and the car runs awful in town during one. To me, the fix has to correct 2306, and not mess with the longevity of the car, I'm in it for another 14+ years. I'd expect at a bare minimum lifetime powertrain and exhaust warranty. I don't expect bumper to bumper, but since the emissions messes with so much under the hood, and in the pipe to the back, anything in there I expect them to cover for as long as I own it. If that means I have to document everything done to it, that's fine, I've got a folder on each of the cars anyway. To me, a new TDI as a replacement for the 2014 would probably be cheaper to VW than covering the current one in a fixed state for 14+ years, at least at that point the liability they have is done with the swap. I really don't want a new one, but I won't accept a fix that doesn't come with a lifetime warranty.
 

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What is being made whole is the issue. There are a couple of types of folks, the first that buys and sells in 3-5 years, they just want a new car, probably should be leasing, but aren't in it for the long haul. Those folks are at the end of the time they would have kept the 2011-12 models anyway and now can't get out. For them, pre-scandal trade effectively makes them whole, they don't care about the fix, they just want out and at a price that they don't take a bath on the trade value. For those that bought 13-15, any fix is unlike to kill the car in the 1-2 years they still keep it, but they still want to be able to trade at the anticipated, historical pattern of decline the trade prices followed 1-2 years out.

The next one keeps for 7-10 years, or are the skipping a generation then buy again. Perhaps they save up in that 7-10 years to pay cash for the next one. They are used to trading and seeing their trade in go directly to the bargain row on the lot, they used up most of it. They still want to be able to trade, but reasonable folks would take 3-4k for the trade, it's going to be high miles, the next guy buying won't pay top dollar for it. For those in the 2009-11 range, they are probably getting close to that point, and want a fair trade in. For those that bought 12-15, they may have 7 years in the car still, so the fix matters to them, lower MPH, or things that break due to the fix matter.

The last group is keeping it until the wheels fall off, the fix matters if it alters anything about the expected life of the car.

So what is made whole varies, and those that drive to the wheels fall off, and the keep it longer time folks that are early in the span will have a completely different version of whole than those that need pre-scandal trade values.

Looking at my fleet, the ages are 10, 13, 16, and 2. So, I'm in the last group. Whole to me is not changing the performance characteristics of the car, 2306 screwed with the regen, and the car runs awful in town during one. To me, the fix has to correct 2306, and not mess with the longevity of the car, I'm in it for another 14+ years. I'd expect at a bare minimum lifetime powertrain and exhaust warranty. I don't expect bumper to bumper, but since the emissions messes with so much under the hood, and in the pipe to the back, anything in there I expect them to cover for as long as I own it. If that means I have to document everything done to it, that's fine, I've got a folder on each of the cars anyway. To me, a new TDI as a replacement for the 2014 would probably be cheaper to VW than covering the current one in a fixed state for 14+ years, at least at that point the liability they have is done with the swap. I really don't want a new one, but I won't accept a fix that doesn't come with a lifetime warranty.
You forgot "group I don't know anymore." That group is me. Original plan was to drive my 09 into the dirt, but with a HPFP failure, exhaust flap failure, transmission failure, and a few sensors going bad I'm worried about longevity. That, plus facing the 120k service coming due in under 500 miles and needing new tires, I will gladly get the hell outta this car if they make a reasonable offer. I have too much fear that reliability won't make keeping it long term worthwhile, and I don't want to drop $2000 between the service and the tires only to have them buy it back.

At this point I'm just done with the car and possibly VW...and I don't want to put another dollar into it. If their "fix" is to give me a ****ty buyback offer, I'll probably just gut the DPF and get a tune and go back to the original plan of keeping it forever...but I certainly will never own a VW again. The alternative plan to that is to take a road trip to VW NA headquarters and drive the car full speed into the building, jumping out right before contact and walking away slowly as things explode.
 
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