Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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Not saying this is in anyway a fact but a really close friend of mine is a tech at a large Volkswagen stealership, he told me this today "I'm not really sure what the future is going to be but I know they said they're going to fix 14s and 15s but there's a few years that they're probably going to buy back. I know the 12s are probably going to get bought back but idk about the 10s and If they did do a buy back they would probably offer a super low price on a 15 for all the people that it effects"
So it seems the dealers are kinda waiting for the same info we are
"I know the 12s are probably going to get bought back"

....and you know this - HOW?
 

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Check back, thing your reply went through...

I read the article and tried to leave a comment but could not for some reason.

This person has no idea how tax credits work versus rebates. They think that people get handed checks for buying electric cars (true with a rebate but false with a credit).

They also have no idea about what happens when an E-Golf runs out of juice within 70 miles from home.

Was more of a dig at both the EPA and VW.
I approved it and added some clarification... Yes, I know how tax credits work!
 

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It all goes with living in a disposable society. I feel the same way about technology. I'm still using my Galaxy S4 I bought 3 years ago. Why should I upgrade? For an extra 200MHz of power? More bloatware? Same with other things - if my 5 year old laptop still runs current software and is as fast or faster than current stuff, why should I sell it and blow my hard earned cash on something new? So I can brag to my friends? Or sell my flat screen TV because the newer model is thinner and uses 5W less energy?

But to agree with OH and others - if your life situation changes, understandable. Same for my technology analogy. But if it's just because (no particular reason), I find it foolish in my book. Blame my upbringing - that's what I was taught.
I'm right there with you....I still use an 8 yr old flip phone....
Drive it until the wheels fall off. I generally keep cars 15+ yrs.

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...I don't see Gen 1's getting a waiver here....allowing them to spew noxious fumes which Harvard scientists have already claimed are cause of death(s)....VW is going to have to 'play ball' with me, with you, with CARB & EPA, and with DOJ
I wonder if these same Harvard scientists have data on how many innocent people died from fumes emitted by gas guzzlers.
 

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I'm right there with you....I still use an 8 yr old flip phone....
Drive it until the wheels fall off. I generally keep cars 15+ yrs.

Donald
I'll pass on the 8 year old flip phone. My last smartphone lasted me 3 years, and the one before that, 3-4 years. Before I upgraded to my current gen of laptops last year (2010/2011 era), I was using laptops from 2007/2008 (hopelessly outdated when I started using them, but worked more than fine for what I do). I've only owned 3 Toyotas, 2 purchased used, so I can't attest to keeping a vehicle for 15 years yet, but unless any manufacturer had a 4 cylinder diesel capable of something life changing, like say 220HP and 450 torque while getting 35mpg, I wouldn't be upgrading anytime soon.
 

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So.....you are calling someone that has been contributing since 2002 a troll........and you have been here for 4 months!!!!

Donald
Yes Donald...I am.

His (or her) comment contributed nothing and was only meant to incite conflict. That is the definition of a troll.
 
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Popular new cars make poor resale used cars, just FYI. Simply because there are SO MANY of them out there. F150s, Camry, etc. fall into that category.

TDIs have traditionally been low volume, yet high demand cars. So they historically had good resale (many still do, despite what some think).

I myself cannot grasp buying a TDI for a short term, at least short enough that any sizable amount of resale value would factor in to the deal. They do not seem to me to be a good short term type of car, especially newer ones, because the cost premium to buy one is so high.

So that is where I won't ever understand why so many people are all ranting about a drop in value... because I wouldn't be selling a car I just bought (I still have the last new TDI I bought 12 years ago). I do understand if you bought a car and then circumstances changed (had a bunch of kids, changed jobs, etc.) that sort of placed you in a position where your current TDI does not fit your needs any longer. But beyond that, I don't get it. If the car is still operating as it was when you got it, and it still fills the needs of your transportation, then why not just keep driving it? Certainly, especially, now would be the time to do that if there ever was one.

If not, there are people that are willing to drive it, and they are out there. I am one of them.
Not always....

http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-resale-value-awards/best-resale-top-10-cars/

My point is, you(not you) can't buy a car and expect it to keep it's value.
There are a few that do....and they are usually pretty popular cars.(not common/boring....but popular)

By the way....F150's do hold value....maybe not a Camry.:)

I'll just keep to my routine of driving them for a long time!! My cars are usually a long committed relationship....just like you.

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I was giving this idea a thought...

Maybe this can work out great for VW. They can be like all of the Internet carriers who all promised to roll out high speed internet for the Nation in return for running a monopoly. They can just keep "working on it" and making excuses why it hasn't happened yet decades later.

Nearly 10 years later AT&T hasn't delivered on promised high speed networks. Excuses and lies, even thought there is a Federal agency controlling this entire mess.

http://arstechnica.com/business/201...lls-short-years-after-promising-100-coverage/

I know - will never happen but strangers things HAVE happened in the past...
Who knows - maybe other industries will take the hint from dieselgate. I'd be happy to see Verizon and AT&T charged billions in fines and criminal charges handed down for making promises and failing to deliver, especially for those of us who live in rural areas.

Funny that remote locations in Canada have higher speed internet access than I can get from AT&T. 1Mb/s is not useful high speed internet. Friends middle of nowhere summer home in N.S. has 30M up and down and pays less than I'd have to pay AT&T for 1M.
Not here. I had whine and complain to get transferred to the CEO of our local phone co-op, who agreed to trench fiber to my house. Claimed it cost $20K, but I now enjoy 35M down and 5M up for that super low price of $140/mo. And I even get static IPs. 1Mbps is a joke. I don't know how anyone can use that speed anymore. It's like expecting the masses to buy a Smart Car with a 2 cylinder engine that puts out 30HP.
 

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I wonder if these same Harvard scientists have data on how many innocent people died from fumes emitted by gas guzzlers.
I don't disagree with you here. That said, these 'gas guzzlers' of which you speak likely met/meet the emissions regulations which were required of them. For purposes of this discussion, the 'gas guzzlers' are allowed to kill people because their manufacturers met the required guidelines. No need for the scientists to study how many people are killed by Cadillac Escalade exhaust....there is no money in it for them to do so!

The TDI's simply didn't meet the emissions requirements (by a long shot) but were advertised as GREEN and CLEAN. Leave it to the lawyers and scientists to quantify VW's supposed damage to the trees, animals, living beings of earth. VW had best get some DAMN good lawyers....because I fail to find an argument with which I predict that VW could come out of this fiasco in one piece. They already tried "a few rogue engineers" and "we didn't understand the language" etc. VW is finally getting smart....they aren't talking at all!
 

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Mueller said: "We will certainly be a loser in the U.S.".
That about sums it up for VW.
I wouldn't be surprised if they just pulled up stakes for the VW brand and kissed off the US again.
Change the Chattanooga plant over to an Audi factory and make some electric cars for the EPA.
If I did not have a dog in this fight I would laugh-laugh-laugh at the EPA until I passed out.

Firmly believe the EPA poopies will sacrifice current TDI owners to get their agenda fulfilled. Kill Diesel

Heavens ~~ save us from the evil EPA EVs :mad:

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I don't disagree with you here. That said, these 'gas guzzlers' of which you speak likely met/meet the emissions regulations which were required of them. For purposes of this discussion, the 'gas guzzlers' are allowed to kill people because their manufacturers met the required guidelines. No need for the scientists to study how many people are killed by Cadillac Escalade exhaust....there is no money in it for them to do so!
Still ironic by all means. Met/meets requirements but still overall, still emits deadly fumes, albeit different constituents out the tailpipe. From my experience, you can use any kind of research to find what you want to find, even without skewing data per se.

...VW is finally getting smart....they aren't talking at all!
Well, I think it's been mentioned before on here - in any legal case, especially criminal, the lawyer always tells the defendant to STFU. Like the old adage - "You have the right to remain silent." And the other adage - "loose lips sink ships."
 

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If I did not have a dog in this fight I would laugh-laugh-laugh at the EPA until I passed out.

Firmly believe the EPA poopies will sacrifice current TDI owners to get their agenda fulfilled. Kill Diesel
This makes me think of cigarettes. I know people who smoked smoked smoked despite the warnings. They laughed and scoffed at their friends and family who urged them to live a healthier lifestyle. They exclaimed the virtues of their cigarette habit....they said they'd rather die than stop smoking.

Later at the hospital....I can't remember a one of these folks who continued to maintain that their years of smoking was worth their trouble. Nor can I remember their friends/family laughing at them as they coughed their last breath in the hospital bed. Just saying.

Do you really think that the EPA is doing this to prevent you from having a good time in a peppy car? Do you really believe that CARB makes frivolous rules simply for the sake of keeping busy?...so that they have a job to do? I'm not tree hugger...but science is science. Would you prefer to believe that global warming is merely a product of a political agenda?....despite scientific facts? Come on now.
 
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"I know the 12s are probably going to get bought back"
....and you know this - HOW?
He doesn't really know anything, he works as a senior tech at a huge Volkswagen dealership and that is the story going around the channels there currently
I think there will an option for a buyback, but perhaps an option of a 250K mile bumper bumper warranty + making the car emissions compliant.
The best outcome for me would be a warranty like you speak of, I would love to keep this awesome car and drive it worry free till it completely died
 

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Yes Donald...I am.

His (or her) comment contributed nothing and was only meant to incite conflict. That is the definition of a troll.
It seemed like a valid comment to me....maybe it was not shared by you.....but valid.

Donald
 

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This makes me think of cigarettes. I know people who smoked smoked smoked despite the warnings. They laughed and scoffed at their friends and family who urged them to live a healthier lifestyle. They exclaimed the virtues of their cigarette habit.
Feel sorry for the smokers. And they do drive up health cost when is free for them.

Respectfully, Does voluntary smokers bring to mind, persons who hit the road at 10-20-30-40 MPH over the limit?



Do you really think that the EPA is doing this to prevent you from having a good time? Do you really believe that CARB makes frivolous rules simply for the sake of keeping busy?...so that they have a job to do? I'm not tree hugger...but science is science.
EPA? -- CARB? -- IRS? :confused:

All just doing their job?


Would you prefer to believe that global warming is merely a product of a political agenda?....despite scientific facts? Come on now.
Respectfully, the current term for global warming is global change.

Respectfully there is a fair amount of PC in many DC agencies:rolleyes:
 

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Feel sorry for the smokers. And they do drive up health cost when is free for them.

Respectfully, Does voluntary smokers bring to mind, persons who hit the road at 10-20-30-40 MPH over the limit?





EPA? -- CARB? -- IRS? :confused:

All just doing their job?




Respectfully, the current term for global warming is global change.

Respectfully there is a fair amount of PC in many DC agencies:rolleyes:
I'd like of these agencies to quit on you for a few months just to test you. I predict you'd be begging for their mercy by the end of the test. Nobody likes to pay taxes...but they sure do like their streets, sewers, street lights, and clean water (sorry Flint).

I'm not singing these agencies praises...and I detest paying taxes. That said, I also have a healthy perspective on the benefits that these agencies provide to me each day. Travel to a third world country...You'll be a more thankful person.
 

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Do you really think that the EPA is doing this to prevent you from having a good time in a peppy car? Do you really believe that CARB makes frivolous rules simply for the sake of keeping busy?...so that they have a job to do?
But now those rules have very diminishing returns. Good intentions (maybe) but you know where they lead. The return on investment is not worth paying the big bucks to to meet the latest CARB & EPA rules nor to their management.
 

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But now those rules have very diminishing returns. Good intentions (maybe) but you know where they lead. The return on investment is not worth paying the big bucks to to meet the latest CARB & EPA rules nor to their management.
When viewing this scenario as individuals in our own bubble yes. When we look at the bigger picture...all vehicles in the USA...and the formulation of emissions rules and regs for the scope of our country...no. They have a difficult job and cannot please everyone.
 

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I'm not singing these agencies praises...and I detest paying taxes. That said, I also have a healthy perspective on the benefits that these agencies provide to me each day. Travel to a third world country...You'll be a more thankful person.

^ Truth ^

Nobody in the "Leave me alone...I hate the EPA and CARB" crowd has flown through / spent time in Beijing, et al. It's appalling.

News flash...free markets do not protect the environment.


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When viewing this scenario as individuals in our own bubble yes. When we look at the bigger picture...all vehicles in the USA...and the formulation of emissions rules and regs for the scope of our country...no. They have a difficult job and cannot please everyone.

You speak the truth on many levels.
 

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So.....you are calling someone that has been contributing since 2002 a troll........and you have been here for 4 months!!!!

Donald

I wouldn't say 162 posts since 2002 (most on this very thread) should be considered "contributing". Just because someone has been registered for a long time doesn't mean they have been contributing for a long time.

No need for the whiners comment. People are frustrated. If someone doesn't want to read the frustration, they can participate elsewhere in the forum IMO.
 

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I'd like of these agencies to quit on you for a few months just to test you. I predict you'd be begging for their mercy by the end of the test. Nobody likes to pay taxes...but they sure do like their streets, sewers, street lights, and clean water (sorry Flint).

I'm not singing these agencies praises...and I detest paying taxes. That said, I also have a healthy perspective on the benefits that these agencies provide to me each day. Travel to a third world country...You'll be a more thankful person.

FEDERAL Income taxes? State Income Taxes?

some people pay ~~ and others do not pay

The persons who do pay ~~ pay for the persons who do not pay.

I have never seen a line of sick persons lined up to enter a hospital.

Street lights do not dim when a non tax payer is there.

Sewers work for rich and lesser rich

Not too sure if Tulsa gets FED $$$$ for water.

Head start is free to-for poor persons.

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Travel to a third world country?

My wife is from S.A. ~~ a poor area. As a kid she had sticks for walls & long green leaves for a roof. The floor was dirt. During storms the whole situation was a mud ball.

Nice part was the sticks were free ~~ so was the green leaves and dirt
 

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When viewing this scenario as individuals in our own bubble yes. When we look at the bigger picture...all vehicles in the USA...and the formulation of emissions rules and regs for the scope of our country...no. They have a difficult job and cannot please everyone.
It doesn't matter as it is costing more and more nation-wide to remove less and less. It has been shown that cars built 20 years ago had 90% less emissions than those built 30 years previously so in 2016, we are hopefully at or very close to 99%. Even if you reduce emissions 50% of each previous standard, you'll never get to zero, but it is called "job security". Wouldn't it be nice for CARB & EPA members have to go out and get REAL jobs?
 

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FEDERAL Income taxes? State Income Taxes?

some people pay ~~ and others do not pay

The persons who do pay ~~ pay for the persons who do not pay.

I have never seen a line of sick persons lined up to enter a hospital.

Street lights do not dim when a non tax payer is there.

Sewers work for rich and lesser rich

Not too sure if Tulsa gets FED $$$$ for water.

Head start is free to-for poor persons.

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Travel to a third world country?

My wife is from S.A. ~~ a poor area. As a kid she had sticks for walls & long green leaves for a roof. The floor was dirt. During storms the whole situation was a mud ball.

Nice part was the sticks were free ~~ so was the green leaves and dirt
Hmm....well I can't explain how you came to have your world view. You should already know better...perhaps you are beyond help? If your wife can't help you....I certainly won't be of assistance. I'm real sorry that those who are less fortunate than you are sucking off your money bags. Perhaps you could move off grid and hang your money from a tree? :) This way the poor people won't get your dollars. I read somewheres that poor folk can't jump.
 

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It doesn't matter as it is costing more and more nation-wide to remove less and less. It has been shown that cars built 20 years ago had 90% less emissions than those built 30 years previously so in 2016, we are hopefully at or very close to 99%. Even if you reduce emissions 50% of each previous standard, you'll never get to zero, but it is called "job security". Wouldn't it be nice for CARB & EPA members have to go out and get REAL jobs?
Romad...if they went and got real jobs....who would be left for you to condemn? In reality...CARB and EPA are here to be the butt of your jokes...surely you can find the value in that?

Funny stuff today here on the forum. I'm sure that 2015GolfDiesel goes to church every Sunday but spits on the poor and yells at his neighbor each Monday morning. You apparently find most environmental rules/regs to be value-less...and I'm betting that even your postman is scared to approach your door...with you yelling about those damn beurocrats from the comfort of your lazy boy recliner all day :)

jokes folks....they're just jokes. Pardon me now....I must go kiss some babies and hug some trees.
 
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Hmm....well I can't explain how you came to have your world view. You should already know better...perhaps you are beyond help? If your wife can't help you....I certainly won't be of assistance. I'm real sorry that those who are less fortunate than you are sucking off your money bags. Perhaps you could move off grid and hang your money from a tree? :) This way the poor people won't get your dollars. I read somewheres that poor folk can't jump.
:eek:
 

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It doesn't matter as it is costing more and more nation-wide to remove less and less. It has been shown that cars built 20 years ago had 90% less emissions than those built 30 years previously so in 2016, we are hopefully at or very close to 99%. Even if you reduce emissions 50% of each previous standard, you'll never get to zero, but it is called "job security". Wouldn't it be nice for CARB & EPA members have to go out and get REAL jobs?

No one is ever fired from a fed gov job :rolleyes: ~~ Do they have rubber rooms like in some schools for naughty teachers?
 
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