Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[bhtooefr]

And Mazda is one of the manufacturers that comes closest to complying with European emissions limits, in more aggressive drive cycles, too.

 

[spartanmanor]

Green Car Reports - VW Diesel Emissions Recall: What You Need To Know In 10 Questions: http://www.greencarreports.com/news...-recall-what-you-need-to-know-in-10-questions Bottom line is it probably wont be good for owners....

 

[imurrx]

I did the ECU upgrade and I did not notice an impact on my car's mpg or power.

I saw about a 2 mpg drop and 25 miles drop per tank with lots of soot covering my car (candy white Cup). Update was done March.

 

[TO_TDI]

VW Canada has now halted diesel sales.

“We have issued a stop sale notice to our dealers in Canada for the affected vehicles, so they can’t sell them,” Mr. Tetzlaff said. The affected vehicle have not, however, been recalled.

 

[PlaneCrazy]

My Sales person just confirmed this. It does not apply to Canada.

Not anymore:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/vw-canada-halts-sales-of-some-vehicles-after-us-emissions-scandal/article26452624/

 

[asolo]

Don't understand why my 2013 Passat TDI isn't included in the recall. Don't I have the exact same engine/drive-line as all the others?

(BTW...continue to love the car after 58,000 miles. Recent multi-thousand mile road trips have averaged 44+ overall with zero issues of any kind. Do regret to acknowledge my resale value has likely declined due to association.)

 

[CDubber]

They aren't going to be buying back cars.

Uh huh. Sure they won't.

 

[ApriliaNut]

So I bought my 2013 Jetta TDI a year ago, and I LOVE IT. I brag about it to all my friends and family. My good friend was even going to buy the 2015 THIS WEEKEND, because he liked mine so much. Now this happens. Not only am I upset of the possibility of reduced performance/mileage, I am utterly embarrassed about all the bragging. I'll never hear the end of it.

Say What???
You didn't construct the car. You didn't design the emissions system. Tell your "friends" to kiss off if they can't understand that. All this PC crap has been our undoing. YOu have nothing to be ashamed of. Tell your asshat friends to go buy a Prius and then they can be truly ashamed when you inform them how they got hosed:
https://foltztech.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/prius-not-so-green-after-all/
You are an innocent consumer.
And just to show everyone how things can get manipulated check this out regarding the (wrongly) infamous Ford Pinto "eploding gas tank":
The 1971 Ford Pinto wasn't that bad of a car. The sad, painfully ugly 1970 AMC Gremlin, with its cheap windshield wipers, rust-prone nose-heavy frame, and flip-up back window that broke off in your hands? That was a bad car. By comparison, the Pinto was a decent car with a nasty habit of bursting into flames after a rear end collision.

What many people don't realize is that the public's preoccupation with the Pinto as a death trap was based largely on a myth. Motorists didn't die by the hundreds. In fact, the Pinto was as safer than many of the cars in its class. But the idea, given weight by the seemingly callous cost-benefit analysis of the Pinto Memo, cemented the idea that Ford had knowingly produced and sold a time bomb without regard for consumer safety. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) ultimately demanded the recall of the Pinto.

Source: http://seekingalpha.com/article/814...-facebook-finds-a-bottom-lower-than-you-think


Continue to enjoy your TDI WITHOUT SHAME.

 

[POBOX2897]

150% of KBB private party "excellent" value, a la Toyota Tacoma buyback would be pretty awesome.

 

[imurrx]

Green Car Reports - VW Diesel Emissions Recall: What You Need To Know In 10 Questions: http://www.greencarreports.com/news...-recall-what-you-need-to-know-in-10-questions Bottom line is it probably wont be good for owners....

California drivers are really screwed. Since I live in Massachusetts, I just did my inspection sticker because Mass may do something similar.

BTW, I found out that in Massachusetts, the emmisions test does not test for NOx but will fail if any monitor parameters are deleted or inactivated.

Need to find out if Malone Tuning does that or leaves those things alone.

 

[Borsig]

You guys dreaming of buybacks are doing just that. Dreaming.

The only way vw does that is if they are forced to or it saves them money on fines.

The govt isn't going to shorten it's fine score to help you. Ever.

 

[PtboMarkIV]

TDI sales halted in Canada.

Has anyone heard of the fact the VW Canada is halting sales of all new Diesel engine vehicles due to the emissions scandal state side. Just got a notification from a news app on my phone.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...sions-scandal/article26452624/?service=mobile


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[Aquaticmind]

Don't understand why my 2013 Passat TDI isn't included in the recall. Don't I have the exact same engine/drive-line as all the others?

(BTW...continue to love the car after 58,000 miles. Recent multi-thousand mile road trips have averaged 44+ overall with zero issues of any kind. Do regret to acknowledge my resale value has likely declined due to association.)

it is covered, just a typo in the press release.

 

[ericy]

Yaaay - we hit 100 pages of comments in 3 days. That has to be a record for this site....

 

[LogicBomb]

I don't think people are "dreaming" of buy backs, but that may be the reality of the situation, no matter how ardently you think otherwise.

If VW's fix ends up reducing performance, reliability, and/or efficiency, I don't think many of us will take it laying down. If I no longer feel safe driving a vehicle because VW was caught in a lie, and their only way of fixing it is to cripple it, VW can have the car back.

To be clear, I want to keep my Passat. It's been a stalwart for my commute and road trips, with no issues. But I'm not willing to continue to pay for a car, that was illegally sold to me in the first place, that is just a shell of its former self.

 

[PtboMarkIV]

Halt to all Canadian VW diesel sales.

Sounds like VW canada has put a halt to all Canadian sales of there diesel equipped vehicles, due to the emissions control scandal in the states.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...sions-scandal/article26452624/?service=mobile


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[Aquaticmind]

Say What???

The 1971 Ford Pinto wasn't that bad of a car. .. By comparison, the Pinto was a decent car with a nasty habit of bursting into flames after a rear end collision.

To be fair, bursting into flames after a fender bender is kind of like a herpes blister on a first date.. Sure it could happen to anyone, but it doesn't look good.

 

[IFRCFI]

At around 2008-9 early adopters of the new TDI were eligible for a rebate/credit because the vehicle was very clean from an emissions / efficiency perspective.

2010's qualified as well, and on a diminishing credit basis, some early 2011's. The credit was as high as $1,700 at one point on certain models (DSGs)

 

[imurrx]

I just checked KBB.com today vs a week ago. My 2010 TDI Cup SE dropped $4,000 in value from $16k to $12k but trade value only dropped by $500.

Happy days.

 

[imurrx]

I just checked KBB.com today vs a week ago. My 2010 TDI Cup SE dropped $4,000 in value from $16k to $12k but trade value only dropped by $500.

Happy days.

 

[aja8888]

I just checked KBB.com today vs a week ago. My 2010 TDI Cup SE dropped $4,000 in value from $16k to $12k but trade value only dropped by $500.
Happy days.

You don't really believe KBB, do you? Take it to Car Max and see what they will give you for it.

 

[740GLE]

IMO the only way the do a "buy back program" is if they offer a credit towards a new purchase.

It'd be a VWoA "market retention" save face/reputation decision, but that would mean they'd need to double down on the american market, and quite frankly I'm not sure they have it in them.

 

[sleek98]

I just checked KBB.com today vs a week ago. My 2010 TDI Cup SE dropped $4,000 in value from $16k to $12k but trade value only dropped by $500.

Happy days.

Sure you didnt click something wrong? I checked my Passat TDI and it is still the exact same value from last monday.

 

[Lightflyer1]

I just checked KBB.com today vs a week ago. My 2010 TDI Cup SE dropped $4,000 in value from $16k to $12k but trade value only dropped by $500.

Happy days.

I just checked my old 2013 Passat SEL TDI and it is exactly the same as I checked last week around $20k. I sold it last week to CarMax for $18k due to a pending layoff at my company. Nothing has changed in that regard with KBB.

 

[El Dobro]

The Volt has a much more comprehensive network of fast-charging stations, that while not free, and not using renewable energy (the Superchargers use solar), are far faster than the Superchargers.

5 minutes for another 380 mi or so of range on the 2016, when a Supercharger is 20 minutes for 190 mi or so.

The downside is that you're paying 5-6 cents per mile when you use those fast-charging stations instead of plugging it in.

(Those fast charging stations are fuel stations, and you're recharging with regular unleaded.)

Ya beat me to it.

 

[peterdaniel]

Humans sure are a pathetic bunch eh? Fat laden foods, sugar enhanced cakes pastries and soda... cigarettes? artificial sweeteners? rusty water pipes? chemically enhanced "food" Abuse of animals.. destruction of forests and environments for more animal grazing? Diabetes? Cancer?

Do any of these concern you? OMG NOOOOOO NOT NOX POLLUTION LEVELS that are a product of a regulatory agency who has nothing better to do that to create more impossible standards to justify having a place to go to work in the morning. Hypocrites every one of them

Making standards for companies to follow so impossibly high is like telling a 450 pound person to lose 300 pounds. Wishful thinking and impossible to do without a drastic change in lifestyle/performance etc..

California and the USA hate diesels... always have and always will. As far as intelligence goes, the USA would be the last place I would EVER look for anything that makes sense or is valid.

 

[rte2MA]

California drivers are really screwed. Since I live in Massachusetts, I just did my inspection sticker because Mass may do something similar.
BTW, I found out that in Massachusetts, the emmisions test does not test for NOx but will fail if any monitor parameters are deleted or inactivated.
Need to find out if Malone Tuning does that or leaves those things alone.

Does that mean my 2011 Golf will pass MA inspection if I just avoid the software "fix"? -- Assuming I'm not giving it any tunes? -- And assuming MA doesn't start acting like CA?

 

[NYC-TDI]

Yep.

I could care less about NOx. And I wont be accepting any de-tune. I also dont care what people think of that. I bought the car (2015) based on liking my 2011, the fuelly data posted so far for 2015's when I bought mine, specs on performance, and the way it drove, and the fuel mileage it got during my 36 hour try out period.
I will not accept anything less, the EPA can shove it. Birds and fish arent going to die becasue I dont get my TDi detuned to comply with the EPA.

"come and take it".

I highly doubt they will but be aware that they can legally do so.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/21/hybrids-replace-diesels-mercedes/

It's happening.

Hybrids to slowly replace diesels at Mercedes

German automakers have had some success bringing diesel-powered vehicles in America in recent years, but that may not last much longer. A product planner from Mercedes-Benz we spoke to in Austria apparently believes hybrid setups may be more favorable in the long run, and electrified hybrids will eventually replace oil burners. That's why most every concept car we've seen in the last few years features some sort of hybrid or plug-in hybrid setup while there have been very few diesels.

"Yes, diesel is technically complex, and very expensive. The additives to reduce particulate matter are very costly. You'll see more hybrids to meet the changing regulations," according to our source. We've seen this exact scenario play out with Mazda, which has struggled to bring its 2.2-liter diesel engine to America, citing the costly process to reduce emissions in order to meet California-level standards while still maintaining suitable performance for the US market. It's certainly interesting that this news comes hot on the heels of revelations that VW, the automaker that offers the most diesel-powered models in the US, was found in violation of emissions rules on its popular 2.0-liter TDI engine.

 

[peterdaniel]

[QUOTE

Yep... The manufacturing of batteries for these cars produces more toxic
waste, per battery, than anything in the road can produce in a year. This
is toxic chemical waste, per battery. Then it being plugged into an outlet,
in a house that is powered by coal fired a plant, that produces fly-ash, and
other toxins into the atmosphere.


The `09 + are still clean, as far as soot and ash go... Try and say
that about the semi, when you're stuck behind it going up a hill...[/QUOTE]


I plug my car into my solar powered outlet? When the time comes, the battery will be recycled.

My diesel uses renewable fuel that most likely is cleaner than todays clean diesel.

This is about as clean as one can get.