Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations
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goes2fast
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Drive it to Denver, Emich will take it on trade, and you can have your gas hog suv. win win!
romad
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Please DON'T quote him, bubba! A lot of us are ignoring his posts.
Just put him on your ignore list.
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goes2fast
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Ever heard of a station wagon? Maybe minivan?
romad
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Sounds like he would like a Mazda5, except they don't make it any more. But there is the CX-5 still available.Ever heard of a station wagon? Maybe minivan?
Credit Suisse a global investor notes that the scandle including the payout for the damaged cars, loss of trust and lack of sales could end up costing VW 86 billion - http://www.cnet.com/news/report-vw-scandal-could-cost-more-than-bps-deepwater-horizon-spill/
Investors are often referred to as the smartest guys in the room, if this is what they think I would tend to agree with them since they look at the broad global view devoid of personal emotions or loyalty. Sure seems like VW is in for a very, very long and trying period.
Yeah I was looking really hard the CX-5 but that the wife wants that panoramic sunroof. Also just letting you guys know that the VW 500 dollar dealership card may be accepted at the Audi dealership as well(the dealership we went to wouldn't take our TDI but will accept that 500 dollar dealership goodwill gift card.
oilhammer
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I hate pano roofs like poison, in every model that has ever had one. Horrible, horrible option.
Can you give me a reason? Do they leak? Fail prematurely? Or you just don't like it because...?
oilhammer
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Noisy. Rattles. Leaks. Creaks. Heat soak. And just a general huge liability. I have seen exactly four Lexus RX330s with them, and I worked at Lexus. All four were broken. Constantly.
And I have had to deal with so many on Sportwagons, Audi A3s, etc. as well as Tiguans (well, the Tiguan is a rolling pile of Fail anyways, so no surprise there).
They are far and away worse than any normal VAG sunroof, which usually are not much of an issue. Probably not as bad as the asinine New Beetle convertible tops or off-the-chart German overcomplexity of the Eos' roof, but still pretty bad.
And I have had to deal with so many on Sportwagons, Audi A3s, etc. as well as Tiguans (well, the Tiguan is a rolling pile of Fail anyways, so no surprise there).
They are far and away worse than any normal VAG sunroof, which usually are not much of an issue. Probably not as bad as the asinine New Beetle convertible tops or off-the-chart German overcomplexity of the Eos' roof, but still pretty bad.
VW wins scandal of the year!
Volkswagen Vs. Chipotle PR Disaster: Whose Is Worse?
To be fair VW has only lost 35% of their companies worth in the last 6 months - its less than 100% so I am sure they will be fine- Just remember their cars depreciate at a toll of 50% in their first 2 years.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmo...wagen-vs-chipotle-pr-disaster-whose-is-worse/
Volkswagen Vs. Chipotle PR Disaster: Whose Is Worse?
To be fair VW has only lost 35% of their companies worth in the last 6 months - its less than 100% so I am sure they will be fine- Just remember their cars depreciate at a toll of 50% in their first 2 years.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmo...wagen-vs-chipotle-pr-disaster-whose-is-worse/
jgr74
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I have the pano roof. When I bought the vehicle in 2009 it was cool option. But recently I discovered water in the trunk area. So now I have to pull the pillars/headliner to see where its leaking exactly. This is after cleaning the channels out.
In summer the shade it has still lets in too much heat as well.
If anything I should of opted for just the standard sun roof or non at all.
PlaneCrazy
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Concur. I didn't want one on my new Mk VII. I had a normal roof on my Mk VI though and loved it. Tilting it up on the highway while cracking the right rear window gave me great ventilation with surprisingly little noise, adequate for all but the worst heat waves in my area. Fully opening it at slower speeds made a nice poor man's convertible. It's the only thing I miss from my Mk VI.
The pano roof though was a must NOT have option... I've heard too many horror stories.
bubbagumpshrimp
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My bad. That won't happen again. -Cheers-
bubbagumpshrimp
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This was me. When I got to where I was going...I had to use the bumper (hardened ARB bumper
) to plow through several feet of snow that a plow had piled up...blocking the road that I needed to access. That was a lot of fun. I had to back out into the road perpendicular to the snow bank (no one else was on the road) and get a running start, lol.Yup. In my area...anything under $250k is considered a "starter home."
That's the justification that I hear most often. I'm tipping in that direction. I spend 8+ hours a day at work and another 3.5+ hours going to and from work. I miss the roomy interior and usefulness of a bigger vehicle.
I really want another truck (I traded one in on my TDI), but I have to admit...if VW brought the AWD Passat Wagon TDI over here...I would most likely jump on one of those in short order.
I'm a bit of an odd duck though, where vehicle taste is concerned. If I could have any two vehicles in my garage...it would be a Volvo V70R (daily driver/fun toy) and a GMC Sierra 2500 HD w/ Duramax. I love me some wagon though. In all seriousness, I'm kinda leaning towards a Subaru Outback. Wagon space + utility, AWD (fun in the snow), and better ground clearance.
ray96disco
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The V70R with MT is a kickass car! I'd like one, too.
bubbagumpshrimp
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I bet. I've never gotten to drive one. I drove a S70 T-5 once (automatic though). That was a peppy car.
ray96disco
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My wife has the S60 T5 and it pulls nicely. Also good in the snow. Caught once in a snow storm going over a mountain pass on an unpaved service road in New Mexico coming back from Chaco Canyon. Did just fine. I would think the AWD would be icing on the cake. Doesn't get the mpg the tdi's do.
The Subaru is a great car but you might want to wait for the 2017 MY VW Golf Sportwagen Alltrack. It's a raised station wagon with AWD and the refinement of the Mark VII Golf. My wife has the Crosstrek and although boxer engines and CVTs are very smooth, I find Subarus a little on the cheap side in terms of interior plastics quality and road noise. Still... great cars.
If only we could get a compliant diesel version... but the rear drive axel probably makes a urea tank impossible.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-vw-golf-sportwagen-alltrack-first-drive-review
ray96disco
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A friend has the Crosstrek and loves it. Others have various other Subies and, by and large, are very happy. I'd like to hold out for the diesel AWD sportwagen, though, my guess is that's dead for the U.S. I hope not.
It's sad, but I doubt a US diesel version will happen. Because the car is AWD, they can't use the torsion beam suspension that the normal Mark VII golf TDI uses. They have to use an IRS. The torsions beam was used to fit the urea tank. No urea tank = not compliant.
They COULD find a way to cram it under the boot. The trunk is extended in the sportwagen. I just don't see them refitting a whole different urea system just for the unproven Alltrack.
bubbagumpshrimp
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My issue is interior space. In particular...headroom. I went and checked out the Golf Sportwagen when they came out. I was hoping it would have more space, but it looks like it's just my car with a bigger cargo capacity.
From what I've read, the Outback is going to have more passenger space. I need to just go check one out. Now a Passat Wagon...that would work for me.
ray96disco
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Did I read the Beetle's tank is in the bumper? That allows a lot of things to remain the same and go back to the better handling of the 2014 and earlier IRS rearend.It's sad, but I doubt a US diesel version will happen. Because the car is AWD, they can't use the torsion beam suspension that the normal Mark VII golf TDI uses. They have to use an IRS. The torsions beam was used to fit the urea tank. No urea tank = not compliant.
They COULD find a way to cram it under the boot. The trunk is extended in the sportwagen. I just don't see them refitting a whole different urea system just for the unproven Alltrack.
ray96disco
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Never understood why they killed it. Obviously low sales numbers but it's hard to believe. I might consider stepping up to one.
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bizzle
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If you're serious about selling it, and honestly willing to take the $13.5 Mazda offered you, then drop your $17k asking price to $14K and wash your hands of it.
If you know your bottom price but are expecting some craigslister to needle you down, I've found through experience that (except for lowballers) most people won't contact you if they think it's out of reach. That is, no one is going to reasonably expect you to drop your price 3K. You need to be within $1k to $500 of their top dollar to get a real offer (again, excluding the emails offering you "10K TODAY" or "$20K if you mail it to Kansas."
bubbagumpshrimp
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Yup. Unfortunately, wagons are now just a niche market in the U.S. Subaru does well with the Outback, VW sells a few wagons, but other than that...most manufacturers have put their wagon lines out to pasture.
I think that many people that would have traditionally gone with wagons are now going with Crossovers. Those have exploded in the past 10 years or so. They appeal to people that want SUV-ish space, but don't want x < 20 MPG.
Vidgamer
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Insane? Is it really?
We have a RAV4 which gets car-like gas mileage and has lots of room. You. "Need" and SUV the same way you "need" a car. You can probably get by just calling Uber to get a ride somewhere. You could probably get by driving a scooter. So, you could keep arguing why do people need cars at all? (Although, in the future with self-driving cars, the prospect of most people just using Uber feels like it could be a reality.)
But anyway, it's much easier to get things in and out of the hatch on the RAV4 -- the Golf has enough room for some things, but is still a bit tight. For carrying 4 people on a trip, plus luggage, the RAV is better. The Golf is almost a non-starter. :-( For stowing a wheelchair, it's easy in a RAV, but the Golf?
Ok, you could say that you can do most of the same things in a station wagon. I have long felt that SUVs are basically just tall station wagons, even if people don't want to admit it. Station wagons got a bad name, associated with old people or something. ;-) While some SUVs probably could be taken off-roading, most people don't. However, we have gotten bad ice conditions and been on dirt roads, so it's not so crazy to want a bit more clearance or maybe other features.
But the bottom line is that the RAV4 was cheaper than the Golf TDI, and offers a lot more room. I think $60K (mentioned in another message) on a SUV is a waste, and $40K sounds like a lot, but $24K? What's the matter with that? What kind of small house are you going to get anyway with $24K or even 40K? And what does the price of a small house have to do with a car? ;-)
Anyway, what the Golf TDI has going for it is that it is more fun to drive (as well as better mileage).
Vidgamer
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When I test drove the Outback (a few years ago), it seemed pretty roomy. What killed it for me was the numb ride -- no road feel. It was sure soft and comfy though. It just wallowed around corners. If I wanted that, I'd head over to the Buick dealer as well. ;-)
bizzle
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I don't know why it felt that way, but according to the specs the GSW has more cabin room and less cargo capacity compared to your and my JSWs.
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