Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[13jsw]

people...its after christmas AND winter AND fuel prices are super low... Do you really think people are knocking down the doors to buy TDi's which are a niche market in the best of times?
Also, Im sorry, I cant take any of you people seriously who want to dump your new 14 or 15 so soon... This reminds me of when we had the huge housing crash and people walked away from their houses because they werent worth what they paid... OMG... really people?? Guess what? You paid 25,000 plus tax title and license for your new TDI for example... Total price would be in CA about 28,500.. ALL NEW CARS LOSE AT LEAST 20% off their MSRP and its worse if you got a great deal... so now, you are out $8500....
VW in all of their infinite wisdom has been cheapening out their cars for some time now so they can sell them cheaper. That just hurts resale that much more.
I will tell you one thing... if you think your resale value is poor with a TDi, try a gasser. HAHAHAHA Oh boy...
And further more, you have a very special car... especially the ones that dont even have to get them emission tested. Why? Because VW wil never make them this way again and you can always get a tune to get rid of whatever the EPA and their stupid hypocritical regulations make you do.
The people who are whining and crying are simply looking for ways to dump their cars. Period. True TDI people know what they have..

I get the loss in value thing! We all do, some prefer to buy every couple of years and see it as a cost they are willing to pay, others want to drive the wheels off it.. Whatever.. Their choice, for me, until VW comes up with a fix I will make no decisions on wether to keep it or dump it, I enjoy driving my Passat, the tdi will be looked at as a scab for along time to come, not by everybody but by a majority... So, if VW makes it possible to dump it I just may do it, problem is other than a tdi VW makes nothing I really want

True tdi people really...

 

[993er]

Who cares what they are worth, especially if you are the type to keep a car till they die or are so old that you just want to buy a new one.

I wonder how many here would have traded their car in now or are they just talking because of VW's scandal.

I could not care less about the scandal. My TDI runs well on fumes and drives well. Scandal or not, VW reliability is my only concern, now and when I bought my VW long before the scandal.

As for the EPA and pollution, the two-plus hours I spent behind my snowblower yesterday polluted far more than my TDI does all week.

 

[maybe368]

As for the EPA and pollution, the two-plus hours I spent behind my snowblower yesterday polluted far more than my TDI does all week.

You seem so proud?...Mark

 

[Jeta Life]

Can't speak for everyone but selling now is the worst timing. Hang on till after Dieselgate or maybe once gas climbs to $3 to $4 per gallon in a few years again. It's all about the patience.
In some cases though people who feel stuck in a car they no longer want or love is a tough spot to be in. In that case just bite the bullet and take the best offer. Drive around to 10 to 15 to 20 to 30 dealers and just trade it in. Life's too short.
For me it's still a fun car. Feels like a poor man's Audi and gets the job done. One thing people do is lease to prevent boredom with a car. Leasing usually covers most maintenance and you get the switch every 3 years, however big downside is mileage limits. Would not work for me.
Most of us with TDIs get them because we drive a lot. If you don't drive a lot just get a gas guzzler. Nobody's buying these cars right now for the obvious reason: cheap gas $1.69 this morning.
Politicians are controlling this gas price thing because they know consumers are happier and spend more when gas is cheap and the economy hums along better. It's obvious when people save on gas they'll spend more money on other things besides cars.

 

[993er]

You seem so proud?...Mark

I guess you missed the point.

 

[oilhammer]

I guess you missed the point.

Oh that's not all he's missing, LOL.

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

Most cars lose around 20% of their value a year, so a 3 year old 2013 has lost nearly half it's value... Get used to it. The only way to beat the system is to run a car into the ground, I buy a new car every 10 years or so and keep them around 20 years. Thus I really don't care what my 2013 is worth now, what's important is that it still be running in 2033. And BTW, I'm in Florida for the winter and might buy another TDI to keep down here, if the price of that TDI Beetle drops to half of new I might get interested.

 

[oilhammer]

Yeah, I don't care what my 2000 is worth either. It is about to roll past 500,000 miles, and still gets 50+ MPGs tank after tank. Oh, sure, I am probably leaving a trail of NOx poisoned kids behind me, whatever.

The 2010 sure is nice, though. Doesn't quite have the same oomph as my Passat, but I will remedy that soon enough hopefully.

 

[maybe368]

Oh that's not all he's missing, LOL.

What would that be?...Mark

 

[Singuy]

I am not dumping the TDI because of the scandal. In fact we are really thinking about keeping it due to this entire fiasco.

Like I said, we are stuck with this car and can't move onto a SUV because of diesel gate. The truth is, if diesel gate didn't exist, we would of traded in our beetle for the q5 yesterday. I never said we were not happy with the trade in value of my car..I said they were NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT OUR CAR AT ALL and happy to see us leave the lot!

We are not BORED with the beetle and in fact I love the little thing(because I love high mpg cars..wanted a volt myself). We bought the car because it was my wife's dream car and she had to drive 80miles/day. Now we moved 2 miles away from her work and have a baby on the way so our needs changed.

Also most cars end up at 60% of their original value after 4 years/40k miles. Our tdi prematurely hit 50% due to the scandal all because a lot of dealers don't want to sell them and take them in. In fact the dieselgate scandal depreciated all vw cars prematurely. Now VW are viewed as a bunch of cheaters with poor resale value, hence the drop in sales for new cars recently.

 

[oilhammer]

I still feel the value, real or perceived, is largely dictated by fuel prices. And since the fuel prices are WAY cheap right now, the high MPG cars are simply not in demand. Big pump-sucker sales, however, are going through the roof. The local Chevy dealer in my town (my friend works there) is selling as many Silverado models as every other Chevrolet model combined. And the vast majority of these are gasoline V8, 4WD, (of course slushbox, since that is the only way they sell them now), crew cab, tarted up models not a one capable of getting even half the MPG of what a Cruze sitting right next to it could.

Americans have very short memories. Once the fuel prices go back up, and they will, the tables will turn.

We've had no trouble buying and selling TDIs here, though. Both pre and post Dieselgate models. Most are sold within minutes without any advertising, and the local dealers are constantly trying to get used ones to resell. So clearly someone still wants them. That said, a lot of people, myself included, are enjoying the buyer's market right now. It has enabled a lot of us to score a car for much less than we could have otherwise. And when the fuel prices go back up it will be like having money in the bank. Which, in light of the stock market right now, is probably a better investment.

 

[scottb8888]

My lease will be up next year (2014 Passat TDI SE). It's with VW Financial. Any thoughts on how that will go?

 

[gearheadgrrrl]

An SUV in Florida?

I live in Minnesota where it snows, and I wouldn't even look at a Stupid Useless Vehicle unless it had a diesel. If I don't need an SUV or even 4WD in Minnesota, why do you "need" an SUV in Florida? Sell your barely broken in TDI for peanuts then spend the price of a small house on an SUV in Florida= Insanity!

I am not dumping the TDI because of the scandal. In fact we are really thinking about keeping it due to this entire fiasco.

Like I said, we are stuck with this car and can't move onto a SUV because of diesel gate. The truth is, if diesel gate didn't exist, we would of traded in our beetle for the q5 yesterday. I never said we were not happy with the trade in value of my car..I said they were NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT OUR CAR AT ALL and happy to see us leave the lot!

We are not BORED with the beetle and in fact I love the little thing(because I love high mpg cars..wanted a volt myself). We bought the car because it was my wife's dream car and she had to drive 80miles/day. Now we moved 2 miles away from her work and have a baby on the way so our needs changed.

Also most cars end up at 60% of their original value after 4 years/40k miles. Our tdi prematurely hit 50% due to the scandal all because a lot of dealers don't want to sell them and take them in. In fact the dieselgate scandal depreciated all vw cars prematurely. Now VW are viewed as a bunch of cheaters with poor resale value, hence the drop in sales for new cars recently.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

My lease will be up next year (2014 Passat TDI SE). It's with VW Financial. Any thoughts on how that will go?

Lease with option to buy? If so..I bet you could get a good deal on it.

 

[Singuy]

I live in Minnesota where it snows, and I wouldn't even look at a Stupid Useless Vehicle unless it had a diesel. If I don't need an SUV or even 4WD in Minnesota, why do you "need" an SUV in Florida? Sell your barely broken in TDI for peanuts then spend the price of a small house on an SUV in Florida= Insanity!

I don't need a SUV like how Africans need clean water. Of course I can put a child seat in a beetle, store the stroller in the back seat, groceries in the front seat and the small trunk along with the dog's crate.

Also 14k for a trade in is not peanuts. Would of been 15.5k or 16k before diesel gate. But that doesn't matter, because the dealer wouldn't even accept our car so...

 

[Singuy]

Maybe the grammar came off wrong. I mean I don't need a SUV unlike Africans who need clean water. I am saying this is entirely a first world problem I am complaint about.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

I live in Minnesota where it snows, and I wouldn't even look at a Stupid Useless Vehicle unless it had a diesel. If I don't need an SUV or even 4WD in Minnesota, why do you "need" an SUV in Florida? Sell your barely broken in TDI for peanuts then spend the price of a small house on an SUV in Florida= Insanity!

Lol. We got three feet of snow a few years ago. The only reason that I was able to get out and go anywhere is that I had a "Stupid Useless Vehicle" (Toyota Land Cruiser) with locking differentials and good tires. SUVs...they're not just for soccer moms shuttling their womb turds to and from soccer practice.

It's a good chunk of money (more than I would spend on a vehicle), but for many people (i.e. My area)...that amount of money MIGHT get you a roached out single wide trailer on a pay by the month lot.

 

[mjLyco]

Lol. We got three feet of snow a few years ago. The only reason that I was able to get out and go anywhere is that I had a "Stupid Useless Vehicle" (Toyota Land Cruiser) with locking differentials and good tires. SUVs...they're not just for soccer moms shuttling their womb turds to and from soccer practice.

It's a good chunk of money (more than I would spend on a vehicle), but for many people (i.e. My area)...that amount of money MIGHT get you a roached out single wide trailer on a pay by the month lot.

I'll second this minus the derision. The world is a very large place and people have different needs/budgets.

In my country (USA), it's usually the SUVs that get fancy differentials and AWD systems. This helps with power on acceleration and handling. (This does not help with stopping or neutral handling! Get snow tires!)

SUVs usually have more ground clearance than a car. This helps when you're trying to traverse deep snow and flooded out areas. I know you should just stay home when things are this bad, but some people (my wife) have jobs that require you to come in regardless of conditions. Just ask a nurse or fireman.

The extra ride height of an SUV also helps getting small children into a vehicle or getting yourself into a vehicle. Someone who is partly disabled, weak, or has a bad back will find this invaluable.

Also, SUVs/vans are usually the only vehicles that will seat more than 5 people. My Sister in law has a family of 6. How does she fit them all in a Passat TDI?

I know capable SUVs can be expensive, but where I live in NJ a 3bed 1bath home costs ~$250k with $7k in property taxes. Wages here reflect the high cost of living. Therefore spending a $40k-$60k on an SUV that will keep you safe and make your commute easier isn't so crazy.

For some people a TDI car is the best form of transportation, for some it's an EV, or a Hellcat, or a tractor, or a horse, or a bicycle, or their feet. I think we can all agree that the diesel engine car is great for a lot of things and not great for everything.

What's my dream car? If they made/sold a compliant AWD Golf GTD or Quattro S3 sportback diesel I would buy it with everything and keep it forever!

 

[romad]

I just read that VW is thinking about discontinuing the Beetle because demand is low, and some other cost reasons. That may have as much to do with no one wanting it as the fact that it is aTDI.

Maybe if they had not changed the design...

 

[romad]

15 years ago for me a Miata would have been fun, in my mid 50's not so much can't see dragging my arse around on the ground anymore
The beetle in my avatar is very fun to drive around in

Most of the members of my Miata club are older than you so that is no excuse!

 

[dmarsingill]

I live in Minnesota where it snows, and I wouldn't even look at a Stupid Useless Vehicle unless it had a diesel. If I don't need an SUV or even 4WD in Minnesota, why do you "need" an SUV in Florida? Sell your barely broken in TDI for peanuts then spend the price of a small house on an SUV in Florida= Insanity!

We took a road trip yesterday in the TDi. Our plan was to hike the 2 mile trail to see High Shoals Falls in Hiawassee, GA. We got about 3 miles from the trailhead and the 6" deep water crossing was about 2.5 feet. If I had taken the 4WD Expedition, we would have crossed the "river". We had to turn back and find something else to do. I usually drive the Jeep, but I sold it earlier this year after 17 yrs. My point is, in North GA, an SUV or Pickup is mandatory if you want to navigate the 1000's of miles of barely maintained dirt roads, forest service roads, or long driveways. We were being mindful of gas mileage over practicality.......and it bit us in the butt!!


Donald

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

This has to be about the most misleading title that I've seen so far (on this issue). Keep in mind that it hasn't yet been established what will come of this.

Reading the title...you'd think "Oh...there must be fresh news."

VW Buybacks, Payments For Hard-To-Fix Diesels Will Cost Billions

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ts-for-hard-to-fix-diesels-will-cost-billions

 

[romad]

This has to be about the most misleading title that I've seen so far (on this issue). Keep in mind that it hasn't yet been established what will come of this.

Reading the title...you'd think "Oh...there must be fresh news."

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ts-for-hard-to-fix-diesels-will-cost-billions

I.E., "click-bait"

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

I.E., "click-bait"

Yup. That reminds me of an episode of South Park that I saw recently. "People can't tell the difference between ads and news," lol. This particular link is under "News" when...to me...it should be considered an "Op Ed" piece.

Edit: I've lost track of how many times I've read pieces like this. Zero new information. Just pieced together information from what the "author" has read on the internet. The internets...making everyone with an opinion and "author" and/or subject matter expert.

 

[LogicBomb]

Well TDI's are still going to be desirable here in California, where gas is hovering around 3 bucks a gallon, and I just filled up at 2.45 a gallon with the diesel.

 

[ray96disco]

I am not dumping the TDI because of the scandal. In fact we are really thinking about keeping it due to this entire fiasco.

Like I said, we are stuck with this car and can't move onto a SUV because of diesel gate. The truth is, if diesel gate didn't exist, we would of traded in our beetle for the q5 yesterday. I never said we were not happy with the trade in value of my car..I said they were NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT OUR CAR AT ALL and happy to see us leave the lot!

We are not BORED with the beetle and in fact I love the little thing(because I love high mpg cars..wanted a volt myself). We bought the car because it was my wife's dream car and she had to drive 80miles/day. Now we moved 2 miles away from her work and have a baby on the way so our needs changed.

Sell the other car in your garage and move on. Let your wife keep her dream car for the few times she'll get out without baby and make it your daily driver.

 

[maybe368]

Well TDI's are still going to be desirable here in California, where gas is hovering around 3 bucks a gallon, and I just filled up at 2.45 a gallon with the diesel.

Yesterday I saw 2 different places at 1.89 for diesel #2 and right across the street from one of them it was 2.29...Mark

 

[Lucidexp]

VW is so screwed

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ts-for-hard-to-fix-diesels-will-cost-billions

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

VW is so screwed

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ts-for-hard-to-fix-diesels-will-cost-billions

I just posted that above (#14,538). It's absolute BS with a deceiving title that the "author" pieced together from the real news.

 

[romad]

Well TDI's are still going to be desirable here in California, where gas is hovering around 3 bucks a gallon, and I just filled up at 2.45 a gallon with the diesel.

Up here in Oroville, at the casino station around the corner, D2 is $2.159 and regular gas is $2.23.9. However, I filled the Jetta down in Sacramento with Propel DieselHPR for $2.299 back on the 10th of December.