Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[rustycat]

Well, this all has a long way to go before it plays out. I see where Germany and others in the EU are asking if they were hoodwinked too. VDub's stock is being pummeled, and you know class action lawyers are scrambling in a mad frenzy looking to gain a lead plaintiff pole position for the lawsuits that are going to be legendary. Who knows, maybe this is a planned sabotage by some of the Porsche shareholders that were short squeezed to dust when VW took out Porsche.
This is going to be interesting.

 

[Cool Breeze]

Newsflash. VW will be required to provide to the IRS, the VINs of TDI owners who opted out of the emissions fix. The IRS will cross check the list with filiers who received tax credits. The IRS will deducted the credit from future refunds until the amount of the credit has been repaid.


Wow. Talk about recuperating tax dollars

 

[nj1266]

I've heard the same thing with 328d drivers. I really wanted one but a VW is expensive enough to maintain; I just couldn't overpay for the BMW itself then eat ramen noodles every 2 months when I have to put it in the shop. If the VW solution is so bad I have to turn in my GSW, maybe the first of the 328d's that were leased get turned in next year and I can get one cheaper.

Look up on autotrader. There are a ton of 328d that have been turned in after a one year lease. I was looking for one about a year ago and found a lot of them. A lot are former corporate lease cars. I never got one though. Glad I did not. Once this fiasco with VW is resolved, I am getting rid of my TDI. I will use it as a down payment on my next electric car, the 200 mile Chevy Bolt.


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[TDI Tampa]

Just wondering what anyone else thinks about (EPA) emission flap from a different perspective. I reside in a state(Florida) where the Governor (B---) some years decided Florida did not need emission testing any longer; so vehicles can drive down the highway belching plumes of smoke out the tailpipe with no penalty and yet the state of California has the strictest emission standards in the US. If the government is really trying to keep emissions in check then Politics should be out of the equation. Just saying!

 

[hudsonian]

You can't even build one on the Canadian VW site. It still lists Golfs, Jettas etc. as being available with TDI in the "features and specs" section though.

But if you click on "Hybride and TDI Clean Diesel Lineup" under "models", you're linked back to the home page.

So I have just called the Canadian VW Customer Care line (1800 822 8987), after waiting a very long time I got to speak to an advisor and I was given the standard "we are working with the relevant regulators bla bla" answer.

I then asked her if there was a sale hold in Canada as the TDi option is no longer on their web site. She had to put me on hold again while she spoke to her manager. She then informed me there is NO stop sale in Canada at the moment.

Use this information as you need.

UPDATE, Canada is now officially on a sales hold

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...s-after-us-emissions-scandal/article26452624/

 

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

TDI's have been removed from the "Build and Price" section of the Canadian VW website. They're just....gone.

On the Environment Canada website I can find nothing related to this violation, so I guess VW is doing this voluntarily in Canada.

I guess I'll be in a 2004 forever... Not sure if happy or sad...

Edit: Just saw the post above mine... So I guess they're still for sale, but just not being advertised on the website (in Canada). However, I'd be highly reluctant to pay a deposit or anything like that. I would have to be driving away in the car that day, or nothing. I was anticipating buying a new one in a year or two. Hopefully they'll still be around then. I'm not going to panic and buy one now.

 

[wilcharl]

Newsflash. VW will be required to provide to the IRS, the VINs of TDI owners who opted out of the emissions fix. The IRS will cross check the list with filiers who received tax credits. The IRS will deducted the credit from future refunds until the amount of the credit has been repaid.


Wow. Talk about recuperating tax dollars

Source??!?!??!?!?

 

[austintg]

Tesla model S here I come! I was on the fence, now it's a no brainer.

 

[JM Popaleetus]

As a customer who placed a deposit on a 2016 golf tdi sel I must say I am extremely disappointed. I placed my deposit in July and after 2 months this happened. I am seriously considering asking to have my deposit back and get a used mk6 tdi, take the detune and get it malone stage2 tuned.

Get your deposit back, you won't be getting your 2016.

 

[rustycat]

Newsflash. VW will be required to provide to the IRS, the VINs of TDI owners who opted out of the emissions fix. The IRS will cross check the list with filiers who received tax credits. The IRS will deducted the credit from future refunds until the amount of the credit has been repaid.


Wow. Talk about recuperating tax dollars

Tax credits? Weren't no stinkin' tax credits on my Dec.2012 purchased 2013.


This, however, is harshing my mellow:
" The unusual action by the EPA of recalling cars could be followed by an unprecedented penalty for the automaker as the government cracks down on automakers.
According to the EPA, the cars can still be driven on U.S. roads and dealers may still sell the cars as new or used, but owners may not be able to register or renew registrations for the cars until the recall repair work is complete"

And yet, everyday 10s of 1000s of airplane flightS blast out emissionS 6 miles aboVE the Earth and everyone is Okay with that. ***??

 

[vwUMO]

So, when you follow the money, this WVU study was funded by the electric vehicle lobby as well as several liberal (their proclaimed status, not one I'm assigning) donors interested in wind and electric car initiatives. ICCT is involved in the promotion of "clean energy" and their head director used to work for CARB. While VW may have sidestepped regs, it's also important to note that this wasn't just some college kids driving prius' sad that they couldn't merge onto the freeway like the TDI kids. This was a systematic execution by people with something to gain. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't change fact, but it is important to realize that not every study you see is commissioned altruistically.

 

[brewpastor]

My gripe is that I bought my Sportswagen because it was "suppose" to be clean, efficient AND powerful. Now they will "fix" it and it will only be clean. I was sold a line of bull and am about to be the forced owner of a dub-dog. I want to know what VW is going to do to compensate me for cheating me.

 

[unixb0y]

She then informed me there is NO stop sale in Canada at the moment.

Use this information as you need.

My Sales person just confirmed this. It does not apply to Canada.

 

[Chris]

But can a Spark (or Volt) make long distance trips cruising at 70 mph without several multi- hour recharges? Tesla at least has a network of fast chargers that cuts the recharge time down; I don't see greedy GM doing the same for the Volt. In fact that is the main reason I would not touch the Volt: it's made by GM. Who makes the Spark?

For long trips my Volt consumes gasoline @ about 42 mpg at 70 mph.
Greedy GM provides the convenience of liquid fuel at a reasonable consumption rate.

GM makes the Spark in Korea. It doesn't have the gasoline range extension.

 

[rustycat]

Tesla model S here I come! I was on the fence, now it's a no brainer.

Lol, well if you live in a city and there are not steep hills or mountains that might be a good choice.
Just don't plan a road trip up Pike's Peak.....

 

[applejacks]

Not saying it's right, but when an over abundance of regulations are put in place, people will find a way to get around it. Just as the person who mentioned the way around speeding tickets by buying a lawyer, people will aways find a way to push the limits of the rules in place.

One is a fool to think VW is the only company doing something like this. I just feel doped by the 'clean diesel' that VW advertises. They don't advertise big MPG as much as they advertise clean diesel, and that is not cool.

From what I gather, the issue has been known for almost a year now, with no fix. If a fix was available, it would have happened by now. The fix has to be a fix that does something significant to the vehicle or else it would have been a slip under the rug type fix and would have happened by now. Also, offering a fix on their own, they would have had to admit the failure, killing the 'clean diesel' which they tout. Did I buy my diesel because of the advertising, no. I bought it for fuel economy and the car fit my needs 100%. Do I think any less of the car with this info to light, no. Do I feel a bit cheated by VW, yes.

Will they offer a buyback? They will have to, if the fix is a reduction in what the car offers and what the consumer purchased.

The only thing we can do is sit back and wait.

 

[Keith63]

Yes, the recall earlier this year, in February or April 2015 was directly related to this.
Its going to cost VW close to 16 Billion in finds ($37.500 per each TDI on the road).

 

[nj1266]

Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs trigger massive recall, s...

I thought US is 43 grams per km and Euro 6 is 80 grams per km.



I'd never seen the US use metric distances before -- I just presumed it was miles until I finally noticed a few days ago.

The EPA website uses g/mile. The spec for tier 2 bin 5 is 0.05 g/mile at 50k and 0.07 g/mile at 120k.

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[Aquaticmind]

If people were smart, we'd have slightly more generous pollution laws and more big V6 and V8 diesel powered SUVs and trucks with less aggressive but more reliable NOx scrubbers and overall pollution would almost certainly be lower, along with national average fuel consumption.

But the EPA, in my opinion, is much too anti-diesel, no doubt influenced by the tree hugging hippies at the Sierra Club, who have had it in for diesels since forever.

They may be too anti-diesel but I when you have mountains on the downwind side to trap all your pollution, it makes you deal with it instead of letting someone deal with.

 

[romad]

I really have to wonder if some Prius driving hippie at that university got sick of a fellow student bragging that his heavier, faster, bigger, better looking Golf diesel was able to match the Prius in fuel consumption, so Polly Prius Pissy Pants decided to embark on yet another diesel bashing crusade.

There is no reason to attack Prius owners wholesale; it makes you look like a rabid PC-user attacking Apple. Yes, there are Prius owners that are jerks and anti-diesel but there are the same for TDI owners (I've seen many on TDIClub.com). I own a 2005 Jetta Wagon TDI, a 1990 Miata, AND a 2004 Prius.

The Prius was purchased to replace a 1989 Jetta Carat that was nickle-and-dimeing us to death. I wanted to get a 2004 Jetta Wagon TDI but the CARB idiots had banned diesel sales here in the CPR, so I went with choice #2, the Prius. I was able to buy a used TDI in 2011 when I needed a bigger car than the Miata.

Of all three, the Prius gets the best mileage, the Miata is the most fun to drive, but the TDI is the most versatile even though it is also the most expensive to operate at $0.103/mile (Miata is $0.088; Prius is $0.07)

So, please chill and stop painting with a broad brush. Thank you.

 

[scottb8888]

My gripe is that I bought my Sportswagen because it was "suppose" to be clean, efficient AND powerful. Now they will "fix" it and it will only be clean. I was sold a line of bull and am about to be the forced owner of a dub-dog. I want to know what VW is going to do to compensate me for cheating me.

I agree!

 

[phatz314]

What are the NOx standards that your typical urban assault SUV-mobile has to meet?

I am aware that the light truck standards are different, but unbeknownst to us, our little "clean" TDIs are putting out a few dozen Suburbans' worth of smog-causing fumes.

As someone with a pair of lungs and half a brain (unlike many posters in this thread), this concerns me.

 

[romad]

GM killed a few of the hundreds of thousands of folks that bought their cars and the unlucky bystanders that ended up in their way, coldly calculating it was cheaper to cover up a low probability failure point - instead of fixing it.

VW coldly calculated they could poison our country for profit, like a heroin dealer.

hard to imagine VW's penalty won't be exponentially higher.

a ban from the market seems like the obvious move.

GM has been "poison(ing) our country for profit" for nigh on to 100 years, coldly calculated they could kill some of their customers just to save a few pennies, and ripped off the American taxpayer. I'll take VW over GM any day.

 

[EFF]

Why did I stick my hand back in the VW bear trap? I had two 2005 Jettas, one wagon and one sedan. The sedan was never satisfactory. I ultimately lost patience with it and traded it on a Mazda MX5 in 2009. The wagon met every legal definition of lemon. After finally meeting with the regional VW rep, the wagon got fixed after 8 tries. I ultimately kept it going for 5-1/2 years and 145K miles.

The wagon got replaced with a Subaru Forester, which was ultimately also unsatisfactory. It ate the catalytic converter at 88K miles (8K past the emissions warranty here in OH), used a quart of oil every 5K miles (considered normal, believe it or not), never got better than 27 MPG and had the driver's seat bottom support bracket break the last month I owned it. I'm 6-1 and weigh 190 lbs. That was when I discovered the dirty secret of CUTEs: They are worthless once they hit 100K. I had 151K on mine after 4-1/2 years and I couldn't give it away.

So, I traded it on a 2015 TDI SportWagen. 4 weeks ago, on 30 August. Already have 3K on it and was really enjoying the new power, fuel mileage and DSG. Until I saw the headlines Friday and again yesterday. Wunderbar.

 

[busdrvr]

Thats what they get for putting a solid rear axle in the tdi golf wagen

 

[romad]

Motor vehicles create 5% of nitrogen oxides in the US; agriculture is the source for 80%.

I wonder how much of that 80% is the result of growing corn to make ethanol to use in gasoline?

 

[nj1266]

Just got off the phone with my local VW dealer and they already said there was an ECU update for my 15 golf TDi to resolve the emissions problem. Seems to have happened faster than people expected. I'm too afraid to go get the update for fear of a reduction in power. Hopefully someone else can be the guinea pig.

I think the 2015 Golfs are easier to fix because they have SCR (DEF). The fix is probably to increase the injection of ad blue into the exhaust stream to clean NOx emissions. That is my thought on it, but it could be a more involved ECU flash.


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[JHMartin]

Now the worst part of all; stigma may evolve for VW TDi drivers. The opposite of driving a greenie Prius or Tesla.

Stigma: a mark of disgrace or infamy; a stain or reproach, as on one's reputation.

Social stigma is the extreme disapproval of (or discontent with) a person or group on socially characteristic grounds that are perceived, and serve to distinguish them, from other members of a society. Stigma may then be affixed to such a person, by the greater society, who differs from their cultural norms.

REALLY!!??

Hell, I figure I could sell my TDI now for more than I paid for it (I bought used!).

Reasons I buy VWs:
1) Safe ... Had a New Beetle (stopped) rear ended by a crown vic (@50mph). While both were "totalled" ... the crown vic was a tow away and the VW drove home with the driver safe & sound.

2) Fuel Mileage
3) Fuel Mileage
4) Fuel mileage
oh & 5) Fuel Mileage.

The fines I've seen quoted ($37,5K/vehicle ???) that just total greed by the EPA and the government. Will that go to owners? --- No Way ... into their own greedy pockets so that they can fund more EPA disasters like in CO, NM, UT.

Hell, I'd give my current TDI to the government today for $37,500 and immediately go about trying to find 2 more to drive. I drive mine A LOT and I revel in the 42-47mpg I get when I take frequent long (1600mi) weekend drives. (hate winter diesel)

 

[gnuworldorder]

They may be too anti-diesel but I when you have mountains on the downwind side to trap all your pollution, it makes you deal with it instead of letting someone deal with.

when you have a coke plant a few miles away from your city surounded by cliffs like this https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x55b07dc5f6e88b3a!6m1!1e1 i doubt my car is a drop in the pool

 

[rhino4evr]

So I bought my 2013 Jetta TDI a year ago, and I LOVE IT. I brag about it to all my friends and family. My good friend was even going to buy the 2015 THIS WEEKEND, because he liked mine so much. Now this happens. Not only am I upset of the possibility of reduced performance/mileage, I am utterly embarrassed about all the bragging. I'll never hear the end of it.