Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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Borsig

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Stigma, lol.

As I drive down the road in my evil death gas spewing tdi with:

"Dont tread on me" plates that read "pit wgn"
2 - 3 large pit bull heads hanging out the windows
A vcdl and nra sticker on the back of the car

I had a REALLY good joke about what I could change my personalized plates to, but it would probably get me banned. LOL

People wont even remember this in a month. There will be no stigma.
 

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There are just too many to list....
I wonder if part of the US gov't's smackdown is a direct result of the fact that many of these cars fell into the tax credit for clean lean burn emission technology?
 

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However, given the choice I'm not sure we'd go to another VW. What VW did is fraud. Fraud is a criminal offense. It does not merit being rewarded with our continued custom.
If we collectively have lambasted and boycotted Hans Rothenbacher for committing fraud (search HansDiesel, PRothe) Does this mean we do the same to our beloved Volkswagen?!

I'm surprised that VW was cavalier enought to pull this kind of risky manuever,and actually got away with it for 6 years...

sort of reminds me of a line from Anchorman.... Ron Burgundy to the dog.."You ate the whole wheel of cheese yourself? Im not even mad, that's amazing!"
 
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NOx emissions also causes global cooling through the formation of OH groups that destroy methane molecules, countering the effect of greenhouse gases. The effect can be significant. For instance, according to the OECD "the large NOx emissions from ship traffic lead to significant increases in hydroxyl (OH), which is the major oxidant in the lower atmosphere. Since reaction with OH is a major way of removing methane from the atmosphere, ship emissions decrease methane concentrations. (Reductions in methane lifetimes due to shipping-based NOx emissions vary between 1.5% and 5% in different calculations)." "In summary, most studies so far indicate that ship emissions actually lead to a net global cooling. This net global cooling effect is not being experienced in other transport sectors. However, it should be stressed that the uncertainties with this conclusion are large, in particular for indirect effects, and global temperature is only a first measure of the extent of climate change in any event."[13]

Got the above quote off wikipedia on NOx gasses. My thought on all of this is that our little TDI's get too good fuel milage and the tax our EPA backed government receives from each gallon of spent fuel is being missed Did I see some where earlier that there are only 500,000 of these vehicals in the USA and the EPA noticed us ? Not saying they shouldn't do their job... And I'm glad they do... I've been to West Africa and Haiti, and their polution is way beyond I mean WAY beyond ours here. But I have a question for those in the know. If a gallon of fuel is burned it can only produce so much NOx and no more right ? So if I burn one gallon and travel 50 miles and you burn two gallons to go 50 miles who put more NOx into the atmosphere ? Of course maybe you helped cool the earth better then I did ? Some how theres a money trail here...
 

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"Cafe is bad law so ignore it, and praise those that sell equipment that cheats it"

"I am the only one taking a dump in the middle of the road, so get over it, my contribution to pollution is so small it is irrelevant"

"all hail the master race"


I can smell the hyperbole from here.... Or is that something else.
 

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Oh and I am not defending VW in any way mind you. Screw them for selling me a car that didnt meet regs to get what they sold me.

They can burn for all I care. But I like my car the way it is, so....
 

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I wonder if part of the US gov't's smackdown is a direct result of the fact that many of these cars fell into the tax credit for clean lean burn emission technology?
And I wonder if this isn't all politics because VW is now the largest selling car manufacturer worldwide.

When you can't keep up, you tend to try to bring the others down. Toyota a few years ago is an example.
 

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thanks for the Sturm und Drang, folks!

and btw, if anyone has a low-mileage '15 Golf TDI SE for sale, i'll pay cash!

:)

willie
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And I wonder if this isn't all politics because VW is now the largest selling car manufacturer worldwide.

When you can't keep up, you tend to try to bring the others down. Toyota a few years ago is an example.
I have a slight feeling it's all about politics and money. It always is with the EPA. While they have improved quality of life for the most part for the US, it isn't a secret that they are all about that cash money. I think this is just an in for them to try and make a few bucks off a big company.

No doubt what VW did was wrong but there has to be an ulterior motive here. I want to hear VWs end of it.
 

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I have a slight feeling it's all about politics and money. It always is with the EPA. While they have improved quality of life for the most part for the US, it isn't a secret that they are all about that cash money. I think this is just an in for them to try and make a few bucks off a big company.

No doubt what VW did was wrong but there has to be an ulterior motive here. I want to hear VWs end of it.
We already did from tge VW CEO
 

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Got the above quote off wikipedia on NOx gasses. My thought on all of this is that our little TDI's get too good fuel milage and the tax our EPA backed government receives from each gallon of spent fuel is being missed Did I see some where earlier that there are only 500,000 of these vehicals in the USA and the EPA noticed us ? Not saying they shouldn't do their job... And I'm glad they do... I've been to West Africa and Haiti, and their polution is way beyond I mean WAY beyond ours here. But I have a question for those in the know. If a gallon of fuel is burned it can only produce so much NOx and no more right ? So if I burn one gallon and travel 50 miles and you burn two gallons to go 50 miles who put more NOx into the atmosphere ? Of course maybe you helped cool the earth better then I did ? Some how theres a money trail here...[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I don't think this is a pollution issue but the fact that the car does about 20% better fuel economy that it's suppose to. So if uncle Sam income on fuel tax is down 20%... Uncle Sam is not an happy camper! LOL

I'm not re-flahing mine... wasn't planning on doing any maintenance at the stealership anyway.
 

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You can still build a TDI on VW's USA site, but when you want to see inventory, you get a message that they're out of stock.
 

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820 users viewin this thread right now.. Im guessing this website has had a huge spike in activity!
 

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Couldn't happen to a better company
time to buy. If you hate it, I love it.... It's why even environmentalists are buying coal stocks for instance... They've been beaten down so much that they are a good deal!
 

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The impact on fuel taxation from tdi sales is minimal.

It's not about tax.
 

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Got the above quote off wikipedia on NOx gasses. My thought on all of this is that our little TDI's get too good fuel milage and the tax our EPA backed government receives from each gallon of spent fuel is being missed Did I see some where earlier that there are only 500,000 of these vehicals in the USA and the EPA noticed us ? Not saying they shouldn't do their job... And I'm glad they do... I've been to West Africa and Haiti, and their polution is way beyond I mean WAY beyond ours here. But I have a question for those in the know. If a gallon of fuel is burned it can only produce so much NOx and no more right ? So if I burn one gallon and travel 50 miles and you burn two gallons to go 50 miles who put more NOx into the atmosphere ? Of course maybe you helped cool the earth better then I did ? Some how theres a money trail here...
I agree with you. I don't think this is a pollution issue but the fact that the car does about 20% better fuel economy that it's suppose to. So if uncle Sam income on fuel tax is down 20%... Uncle Sam is not an happy camper! LOL[/QUOTE]

If they were so interested in tax revenue why is the government forcing mpg increases on the automakers
 

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Not sure if this has been posted, but the stop-sale is official at dealerships for both new AND used TDIs.

Because of this situation, we are implementing an immediate stop-sale on new 4 cylinder TDI

vehicles in dealer inventory, and on used 4 cylinder TDI vehicles in the Certified Pre-Owned

(CPO) program. The system coding will be updated as soon as possible to reflect the stop-sale.

In addition, we recommend not selling other used 4 cylinder TDI vehicles until the compliance

issues have been addressed.
 

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I think something everyone is missing by arguing that the TDIs pollute less than SUVs is that the emissions are calculated in grams/mile not grams/gallon. So no, we are not polluting less than SUVs...

CO2 emissions is another matter.
 

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820 users viewin this thread right now.. Im guessing this website has had a huge spike in activity!
non-useful activity. rather than discussing some cool new mod or way to solve a challenge, we've got everyone and their brother and sister creating an account to tell us "I bought a tdi last week and now I'm selling it" "think I'll get money from a buyback" "I'm joining the lawsuit to teach em good"

meanwhile, there are some of the members that just drove 4500 miles through cool parts of North America that we should be engaging with. Or someone that just figured out how to wire up a keurig in a new and fashionable way in the center armrest...
 

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Hmmm...

This would seem embarassing:)
There... fixed it...



Less embarrassing now. ;) Of course, I'm joking. I'm not getting rid of a car I love over this. If VW's "fix" makes my power or economy worse, then I'll just have a tuner "fix" it again. :D

Scott
 
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1300 posts in 3 days, that has to be a record by about 1000 posts.

I'm waiting for VW's response to this breaking news, now that they have had a weekend to get it organized.

And what are they telling their dealers?

The easy way out of this is a quick fix, we'll see. I doubt they have one ready that doesn't have a large downside on either fuel economy, power, or maintenance, or all 3. Or they would have already pushed it through if they knew this was coming for a year.


Don
The easy way out of this is an urgent legislative action in the United States to lower the near impossibly stringent emmission standards which have been imposed upon new diesel powered products.

These are not clean air actions though they are couched with that warm and fuzzy blanket, they are anti-dieselcar actions which have been brought about through the heavily funded lobbying actions by those industries within the US which are only interested to see that the US market continues to support gasoline/ethanol fueled vehicles in order that they continue to enjoy their massive profits and lucrative tax advantages.

The impressive fuel economy of diesels, which continues to improve through research and engineering prowess simply horrifies US oil/gas industries as well as the great corn growing farm interests which have peddled the myth that cars can run economically on corn for so many years, gaining massive subsidization monies to waste and live high all the while.

Think what would be in place in the United States if vehicles could be fueled with tobacco products.
 

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Im about to take our new wagon on a 4 day weekend thru the blue ridge parkway north to the end of skyline drive. Appalachia (my home), apple country, hikes up 4000 feet, and 4 days of park and skyline drive.

Ill get pics of me polluting the park with it, so certain memebrs here can call for my arrest and subsequent hanging.
 

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I sold my 06 TDI, and am still pissed about it.
Drive a GTI now, but had been thinking if the GTD ever came here I'd jump at the chance.
Embarrassing to drive a VW right now..

If you're embarrassed to drive something because of what the company did then I feel bad for you. Now, if you were one of the guys who created the algorithm and were part of this? Yeah I'd be embarrassed.

So many people have iPhones, including myself. But do you know how many people at FoxConn commit suicide by jumping off their factory in China? But I'm not embarrassed to have an iphone. It's sad yes, but i'm not gonna sit here and worry about being judged for having a "death phone".
 

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I'm sure there are folks out there working on a new software load to ref lash the computer with the original great mileage/ great performance specs once VW applies their pat h are a part of the coming recall!
 

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Gone...
You can still build a TDI on VW's USA site, but when you want to see inventory, you get a message that they're out of stock.
You can't even build one on the Canadian VW site. It still lists Golfs, Jettas etc. as being available with TDI in the "features and specs" section though.

But if you click on "Hybride and TDI Clean Diesel Lineup" under "models", you're linked back to the home page.
 
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