Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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makattack

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This note shows that people on both sides of the US Red vs Blue can be certifiably nuts. I promised I would post a copy of the note I found under my wipers last weekend. I gave the original to the police and kept a photocopy. I think I know the neighbor who left it. Saw the guy watching me from his yard a few houses down from where the car was parked when I found the note. I've lived here since 2000, and he's only just moved in about 4-5 years ago. Keeps to self, doesn't interact with neighbors. I thought he lived alone/never saw his kids out playing. I guess he likes to golf. Makes sense, as there's a bunch of nearby courses; despite being in the city...

The whole insane mix of him accusing me of being muslim, loving obama, being a green hippie, hating people, and a fascist, while he's apparently fond of playing golf in the outdoors... sheesh... this is irony, right? I drive a Golf ;)
 
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I promised I would post a copy of the note I found under my wipers last weekend.
I could tell your neighbor a thing or two about asthma and it ain't caused by your parking your VW diesel too close to his house when the kids are there on the weekend. We all have it in my house and I've never noticed any adverse effect from my diesels, even the 2000 beetle.
 

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This note shows that people on both sides of the US Red vs Blue can be certifiably nuts. I promised I would post a copy of the note I found under my wipers last weekend. I gave the original to the police and kept a photocopy. I think I know the neighbor who left it. Saw the guy watching me from his yard a few houses down from where the car was parked when I found the note. I've lived here since 2000, and he's only just moved in about 4-5 years ago. Keeps to self, doesn't interact with neighbors. I thought he lived alone/never saw his kids out playing. I guess he likes to golf. Makes sense, as there's a bunch of nearby courses; despite being in the city...
That's pretty nuts. :eek:
 

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I could tell your neighbor a thing or two about asthma and it ain't caused by your parking your VW diesel too close to his house when the kids are there on the weekend. We all have it in my house and I've never noticed any adverse effect from my diesels, even the 2000 beetle.
Yeah, that guy sounds like a certifiable lunatic. I've been asthmatic since I was 9, and I grew up on an organic farm! What a dusch bag.
 

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This note shows that people on both sides of the US Red vs Blue can be certifiably nuts. I promised I would post a copy of the note I found under my wipers last weekend. I gave the original to the police and kept a photocopy. I think I know the neighbor who left it. Saw the guy watching me from his yard a few houses down from where the car was parked when I found the note. I've lived here since 2000, and he's only just moved in about 4-5 years ago. Keeps to self, doesn't interact with neighbors. I thought he lived alone/never saw his kids out playing. I guess he likes to golf. Makes sense, as there's a bunch of nearby courses; despite being in the city...

The whole insane mix of him accusing me of being muslim, loving obama, being a green hippie, hating people, and a fascist, while he's apparently fond of playing golf in the outdoors... sheesh... this is irony, right? I drive a Golf ;)

LOL. Some people are crazy. It's just a car.
 

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You tell me then -- how much preventable death is A OK ?

Your death -- sure
Mine -- not so much
Well... all deaths caused by natural gas heating systems could be avoided by removing all gas heating systems, but many more would die from exposure so I would say all those that die from gas heating systems are acceptable so that many more can live. Yes Sagebrush I am willing to die so you can live.
 

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Well... all deaths caused by natural gas heating systems could be avoided by removing all gas heating systems, but many more would die from exposure so I would say all those that die from gas heating systems are acceptable so that many more can live. Yes Sagebrush I am willing to die so you can live.
:D LOL, I just spit coffee on my keyboard:D
 

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This note shows that people on both sides of the US Red vs Blue can be certifiably nuts. I promised I would post a copy of the note I found under my wipers last weekend. I gave the original to the police and kept a photocopy. I think I know the neighbor who left it. Saw the guy watching me from his yard a few houses down from where the car was parked when I found the note. I've lived here since 2000, and he's only just moved in about 4-5 years ago. Keeps to self, doesn't interact with neighbors. I thought he lived alone/never saw his kids out playing. I guess he likes to golf. Makes sense, as there's a bunch of nearby courses; despite being in the city...

The whole insane mix of him accusing me of being muslim, loving obama, being a green hippie, hating people, and a fascist, while he's apparently fond of playing golf in the outdoors... sheesh... this is irony, right? I drive a Golf ;)
Leaves a threatening note, on highly distinctive notepaper, in his own handwriting. I don't think we're talking about a brain surgeon here.
 

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I've heard the aluminum theory as well. Most recent one I heard is high iron as a contributing factor. Hope not, because I refuse to cook on anything but cast iron!
My wife has a condition called Hemochromatosis which is when the body can't process iron. You end up with too much iron in your blood. Excess iron acts as a poison that has an effect on just about every organ.
She has her iron level checked every couple of months, if it's too high, they remove a certain amount of blood.

She has not cooked with iron pots and pans for about 20 years now. Her mother died from this.
 

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Well... all deaths caused by natural gas heating systems could be avoided by removing all gas heating systems, but many more would die from exposure so I would say all those that die from gas heating systems are acceptable so that many more can live. Yes Sagebrush I am willing to die so you can live.
Hop to it.

Next straw man ?
 

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I could tell your neighbor a thing or two about asthma and it ain't caused by your parking your VW diesel too close to his house when the kids are there on the weekend. We all have it in my house and I've never noticed any adverse effect from my diesels, even the 2000 beetle.
You are too busy wheezing.
 

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Leaves a threatening note, on highly distinctive notepaper, in his own handwriting. I don't think we're talking about a brain surgeon here.
Yeah, I should have added he was thoughtful enough to put it in a plastic ziplock bag in case it rained. His prints were probably all over it... too bad I didn't think to preserve that and simply tossed it after tearing it open with my bare hands.
Yes. People are strange and a lot of it is just simply fear from ignorance. I don't think the media helps by sensationalizing everything. I would have hoped that people could educate themselves with information on the Internet, but heck... even this thread show's that just isn't true.
I'm sad, amused, angry, and confused by this guys note. I don't know if it's my neighborhood that breeds this type of people or what, but it's not the first/only time something like this has happened. When I first moved to my neighborhood, there was a guy going around keying every car on a single street repeatedly. The police actually caught him with a sting where they jumped out of a van he keyed as they were sitting inside waiting. Again, couldn't have been the sharpest pencil in the box. The sting did surprise me.
Edited to include an old article from that time:

MAN ARRAIGNED ON 15 CHARGES OF CAR VANDALISM
[THIRD Edition]
Boston Globe - Boston, Mass.
Subjects: Automobile parking; Vandalism; Arraignment
Author: Fleisher, Lisa
Date: Jun 24, 2005
Start Page: B.4
Section: Metro/Region
Document Text
One resident started carrying pepper spray after she found threatening notes about the California license plates on her car. In another household, family members took turns staying up on all-night watches until they finally bought a security camera.

Before police made an arrest last month, tension reigned among residents whose cars were being vandalized with spray paint, glue, sand, chocolate syrup, and screwdrivers.

Yesterday, the man whom residents have dubbed "the parking ****" was arraigned on 15 new charges stemming from the swath of destruction that Robert A. Feest allegedly left in the last three years as he walked his dog. Police say, however, that the vandalism and threatening notes date back at least seven years and became increasingly frequent over time.

Feest has been held in lieu of $100,000 bail since May 25, when he was arrested after police allegedly saw him scratch a police decoy minivan with Texas plates.

Once charges were filed in court, many more people came forward with complaints, according to prosecutors, who expect to add to the case when Feest returns to court July 18, said David Procopio, spokesman for the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.

With spray-painted arrows for cars parked too far from the edge of a driveway, newspaper articles left on vehicles with out-of- state plates, and nasty notes bagged in plastic on rainy days, residents said they felt like they were being stalked.

"It really isn't about parking," said Andrew Maydoney. "It's about control and fear. The notes say very specific things that only someone who knows you or sees you around could know."

Larry Groff, 51, who lives two doors down from Feest, said he became paranoid about his parking. "I was worried I was going to get into trouble with the enforcer," he said. "You're always aware not to break the rules."

Residents said that at first, the police brushed off the complaints as minor. Emilia Pisani said she remembered being incredulous when a police officer suggested the neighbors work it out among themselves.

But residents did not want to pursue it with one another. "We're all afraid we're talking to the criminal," Pisani said.

Instead, neighborhood crime watches formed with the help of police. Community meetings were held, some of which Feest attended, and sometimes neighbors scrutinized each other's handwriting to compare with the notes on their windshields.

"On our street, we were all trying to figure out which one of us it was," Maydoney said. "We'd go to these neighborhood crime watch meetings and check out how people were signing into the meeting. Was their writing similar to the writing on the notes? It's completely ridiculous, but that's what it came down to."

Yesterday, several cars along Enfield Street showed long scratch marks on the driver's side panels. A splotch of white spray paint with dried drips marked one gray pickup truck. But on vehicles with expired registrations, the windshields were bedecked with the familiar bright orange tickets of the Boston Police Department.

Residents say they prefer the city's fines to the vandal's tagging.

After silently suspecting one another, residents say they have learned their neighbors' names.

"Uncannily, he kind of brought people together, having something to talk about and worry about together," said Cynthia Lin.

Lisa Fleisher can be reached at lfleisher@globe.com.
For a while, there was someone on my own street who loved leaving their little bags of dog poo on my windshield wiper well, along with a few other cars on our street.

Wow... in re-reading that article I quoted above... I wonder if this is the same guy. It's a different street. I never got a note from the Feest guy in a plastic bag, but he did mark my car with white paint near the gas filler door for whatever reason. I almost forgot about that whole incident until this new note. Weird.

About the only "why can't you leave my car alone" incident that was actually nice and enjoyable was a guy leaving a note complimenting me on my car and that I should check out the nasioc forums when I first picked up my 2002 Subaru WRX, and left his forum handle as well.
WRX owners have a corny way of waving to each other on the road. I tried doing this with another TDI owner a few weeks back, and they didn't seem to register my greeting or ignored it.
 
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IMHO, for 2009 model, VW would opt for a buyback of the car.

The big modification this MY would need, plus the uncertainty of how this will affect other parts of the car, the big cost and time need for engineering, parts, test and installation of such modification + the cost of a loaner car for the customer...it would be cheaper and less problematic to just buy back the cars
 

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Those sorts of notes and vandalism are some of the many reasons I'm glad I don't live in an urban area. I'm no handwriting expert, but I can clearly see that nutjobs bloodpressure skyrocketing midway through the note. Clearly he blames tdi's for his kids asthma.



My wife has a condition called Hemochromatosis which is when the body can't process iron. You end up with too much iron in your blood. Excess iron acts as a poison that has an effect on just about every organ.
She has her iron level checked every couple of months, if it's too high, they remove a certain amount of blood.

She has not cooked with iron pots and pans for about 20 years now. Her mother died from this.
I'm aware of that condition. Several Alzheimer's studies seem to indicate there probably is some relation to iron accumulation. Men are more at risk due to lower blood loss. Yet another good reason to give blood! I may have to give up using my prized cast iron fry pan at some point.:eek:
 

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Very cool. I'm picturing a coffee table with glass top.
 

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I'm aware of that condition. Several Alzheimer's studies seem to indicate there probably is some relation to iron accumulation. Men are more at risk due to lower blood loss.
If there is "some relation" and it is causative, what would you expect the relative risk of Alzheimers to be in people with Hemochromatosis ?
 

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If there is "some relation" and it is causative, what would you expect the relative risk of Alzheimers to be in people with Hemochromatosis ?
Off topic. Consider taking this conversation to private message.
 

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No worries. Just put him on "ignore" and if he goes too far, the moderators will take care of the situation. Mods on this forum are very good. As far as having some kind of VIN system, somebody who wants to troll badly enough can just go browse at a dealer and copy a VIN through the windshield.
How does one put one on 'Ignore'? I clicked on all the icons and could find nothing.

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How does one put one on 'Ignore'? I clicked on all the icons and could find nothing.
the beave
Copy the users name, then click user cp>edit ignore list>paste the users name and hit ok.

When you refresh the thread, the user name will show up on their post, but the post will say "This user is on your Ignore List."

VeeDubTDI or Tooef will correct me if there's an easier method.
 
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Anyone seen the front page of Malone Tuning?
Have the tuners been working on updating thier software to align with the latest updates from VW?
Any thoughts on this part?

http://www.malonetuning.com/

Several months ago we announced on Facebook that we're developing a Stage 4 turbo kit that retains ALL original US and Canadian emissions parts in 2009-2014 VW Golf, Jetta, and Beetle 2.0L TDIs. We're taking our time to ensure that every part is perfect, meeting or exceeding OEM fitment and standards.
Pictured here is a stainless steel cast manifold that exceeds the quality of the original OEM manifold. It has a few advantages over an aftermarket welded tubular exhaust manifold:
OEM style consistency (no warping from hand-welding many pieces).
No weld pinhole leaks and cracks.
Lower exhaust volume leads to quicker boost response. Strong Low-RPM torque is one of the big reasons why people love driving TDIs.
Lower cost without compromises.
The estimated power is in the 200whp-240whp range and the estimated torque is in the 350wtq-420wtq range depending on the turbo size. There will be up to three turbo sizes for you to choose from. These power figures may be with an off-road tune (i.e. race track use). The figures may be lower if staying with factory emissions.
The entire kit will use as few parts as possible to minimize cost and shipping size.
All the above power figures were achieved with stock fuel hardware during prototyping. Upgrading a fuel pump may give room for some more power (more information forthcoming).
Please do not contact us for updates. We receive too many e-mails as-is. We will post updates here and on our Facebook page when we're ready.
 

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Copy the users name, then click user cp>edit ignore list>paste the users name and hit ok.

When you refresh the thread, the user name will show up on their post, but the post will say "This user is on your Ignore List."

VeeDubTDI or Tooef will correct me if there's an easier method.
If you did not follow that,

click on the UserCP above, or:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/usercp.php

under settings and options, is a choice to edit ignore list.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
 

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Anyone seen the front page of Malone Tuning?
Have the tuners been working on updating thier software to align with the latest updates from VW?
Any thoughts on this part?

http://www.malonetuning.com/

Several months ago we announced on Facebook that we're developing a Stage 4 turbo kit that retains ALL original US and Canadian emissions parts in 2009-2014 VW Golf, Jetta, and Beetle 2.0L TDIs. We're taking our time to ensure that every part is perfect, meeting or exceeding OEM fitment and standards.
Pictured here is a stainless steel cast manifold that exceeds the quality of the original OEM manifold. It has a few advantages over an aftermarket welded tubular exhaust manifold:
OEM style consistency (no warping from hand-welding many pieces).
No weld pinhole leaks and cracks.
Lower exhaust volume leads to quicker boost response. Strong Low-RPM torque is one of the big reasons why people love driving TDIs.
Lower cost without compromises.
The estimated power is in the 200whp-240whp range and the estimated torque is in the 350wtq-420wtq range depending on the turbo size. There will be up to three turbo sizes for you to choose from. These power figures may be with an off-road tune (i.e. race track use). The figures may be lower if staying with factory emissions.
The entire kit will use as few parts as possible to minimize cost and shipping size.
All the above power figures were achieved with stock fuel hardware during prototyping. Upgrading a fuel pump may give room for some more power (more information forthcoming).
Please do not contact us for updates. We receive too many e-mails as-is. We will post updates here and on our Facebook page when we're ready.
That's not a new post. And I think when they say it works with emissions equipment... they mean stock emissions equipment, not post-fix equipment (of course).
 

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And I just made some furniture out of cast iron engine blocks! :eek:
You animal, how dare you! Think of all the people you are killing. :rolleyes:
 

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Copy the users name, then click user cp>edit ignore list>paste the users
name and hit ok.

When you refresh the thread, the user name will show up on their post, but
the post will say "This user is on your Ignore List."

VeeDubTDI or Tooef will correct me if there's an easier method.
Thanks. I set my list up. Guess which two are on it. Now if everyone can
stop feeding the trolls.

However I can't blame you all. They are like mice, being batted around by
a cat who trapped his little buddy in the corner.... It's fun to watch, and
you really just want the mouse to run back into the hole, but the cat bites
the mouse's head off. Grotesque. Let the mouse runaway. If we keep putting
out the attention cheese, they will come nibbling.

"Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words."
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself."
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs..."
 
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That's not a new post. And I think when they say it works with emissions equipment... they mean stock emissions equipment, not post-fix equipment (of course).
OK thanks...I just saw this while checking out tunes for the Gen2 cars.

Does anyone know if Malone has been testing out the old vs new firmware for the 2009+ ecu? Have they digested what was really changed for the 23N5 update?

Any word if they will have a new version that is a hybrid of the two, or if they will stick with the old software.

If the Gen2's end up with new injectors or other parts, how will Malone deal with this? Sure would be nice if someone from Malone was on the board on a regular basis. It would be great if the did an AMA here on the board. Finally get some expert opinions instead of speculation.

Can anyone with a Malone Tune on their 2009+ car located in California chime in on how smogging works with the tune?

I'm seriously thinking of getting the tune after the fix is announced.
 

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I had gotten something similar, but it was a crudely hand-written note (on US Golf Association note paper). I turned it into police. I photocopied it before, I did that, and will take a picture of it tonight and post here later. Unfortunately the police weren't much help. Took location, time of day I thought it occurred, and asked for my contact details/address. They really can't do anything until something does happen to the car or I figure out on my own who put it there.

In my note, they threatened to put sugar in my fuel tank if I keep parking it on that street. Claimed I'm putting their kids at risk because on has asthma and the other doesn't but they're worried might get it. Hey, I understand being concerned for ones kids, but this guys rant was all over the place and entirely misplaced. Heck, why the f would you live in the city if your kid has asthma that's aggravated by smog? Sheesh... Note, we do live in a part of the city that has a lot of green space -- parks, etc... still.

Someone here had posted a good idea about putting a video camera inside the car. I might try to rig up a battery powered dash cam that can take still shots based on motion sensing... I suspect they're not too expensive.

Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/F9-Dashboard-...ttl/177-4352053-0632759?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

I do actually have a camera called a Mobius that can do this, but it's got a smallish battery, so I would need an additional power supply for it.
So why don't you just remove the TDI badges? I debadged mine when it was new and to 99% of the population it's just a silver hatchback. It really cleans up the hatch and makes clay bar/waxing easier/ without all the nooks to clean out.
 
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