Carphuntin_god
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haven't made it through 83 pages of this thread. Has anyone determined if VW was also circumventing testing in Europe?
Over the next year, E.P.A. officials said, owners of the affected vehicles should expect to receive recall notices from Volkswagen, including information about how to get their cars repaired at no cost to them.The article has been updated (corrected) to state that 2016 models also will not be sold.
They would have to compensate you if they make changes that makes the car more costly to drive or the car is made worse. Either on their own or through a class action. Luckily they are one of the wealthiest automakers in the world. I'd be a bit worried if I was dealing with Mitsubishi or Suzuki.Over the next year, E.P.A. officials said, owners of the affected vehicles should expect to receive recall notices from Volkswagen, including information about how to get their cars repaired at no cost to them.
No cost? If it causes more build up in our emissions systems, more fuel use, that's hardly no cost, less HP aka, less zip, someone needs to rethink the use of the term "no cost".![]()
FreeDEF4life!They would have to compensate you if they make changes that makes the car more costly to drive or the car is made worse. Either on their own or through a class action.
Since other people who want a TDI may now be unable to buy one from a VW dealership, it's entirely possible that the demand for your 2015 Golf will increase. If I was in the market for a new one but couldn't get one, I'd have to find an almost-new one from a private owner.Embarrassing indeed. I just purchased a 2015 Golf TDI in August. Not happy about this at all. Should have listened to my gut and bought a Toyota, Honda or Hyundai.
If I unload my TDI now, the value has definitely dropped significantly.
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They have no other choice.….. VW is in for some hurt and I believe they will go out of their way to make this right.
Yep, I have a TDI Cup, it's the same exact thing as a regular 2010 Jetta TDI, so we're in the same boat as every other TDI getting recalled.are those Jetta Cup cars still for sale? I wonder if they meet emissions.
Unless he means the Cup race cars, which are currently in transit to the crusher (okay, maybe not the crusher, but there was a picture of a bunch of them on the back of a big rig a couple of days ago).Yep, I have a TDI Cup, it's the same exact thing as a regular 2010 Jetta TDI, so we're in the same boat as every other TDI getting recalled.
Indeed it is...I really wanted a 328d...I just couldn't justify the $100+ per month premium for it.That is a good paper and it gives a good overview of the strengths and limitations of each NOx control technology. Pointedly, SCR is not the be-all and end-all. It needs a minimum temperature in the exhaust system for the AdBlue to properly break down and release ammonia, which might not happen in low-driving-load situations. The worst-performing cars in the new test procedure were all using LNT, but others using LNT did okay. Translation: it's ALL in the details.
The thing that I didn't know is that BMW changed their emission control strategy in the US market from SCR (+ EGR), to LNT + SCR (+ EGR). Basically they are throwing the book at the problem by using every available control technology together; the weaknesses of any single method are hopefully overcome by the strengths of another. Sounds expensive.
Set your posts per page to 100 or more and it makes it easier I think.haven't made it through 83 pages of this thread. Has anyone determined if VW was also circumventing testing in Europe?
Article was corrected by NYT - Stop Sell is for '15 and '16...is there hope for 2016 TDIs?
"John Schilling, a Volkswagen spokesman, said that the company would stop selling 2015 Volkswagen and Audi models equipped with 4-cylinder turbo diesel engines, which the company has marketed as “clean diesel.” The company will also stop selling used cars that have the engines, Mr. Schilling said.
But he said 2016 models, which are arriving at showrooms now, would not be affected."
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/b...lection=International Business&pgtype=article
People are "freaking out" because this was deliberate from the get-go...Did people freak out like this when Toyotas were accelerating on their own or GM ignition switches were shutting cars off in accidents? All these new people freaking out at an alarming rate is actually a little comical. I'm still 10X more worried about my Passat turbo than this stupid emissions crap. And I'm not that concerned about my turbo.... Drive more worry less!
My CR has proven to be a very economical, very efficient workhorse in the 75k problem-free miles I've owned it. (109k total on the car)If I owned a CR TDI, I would be looking at selling it and putting the money toward a Tesla Model S. However, I have a PD (BEW) so I'll keep my TDI.
SageBrush is an exceedingly prolific (11,600 post) and generally strident member of PriusChat enjoying a bit of schadenfreude. He'll move along when the witch hunt is over.Sagebrush, just curious. You have no dog in this hunt. Why are you posting so much on this site?
Wrong on schadenfreude; and I do try to be respectful when I visit my neighbors. Since I make no attempt to hide my internet trail, perhaps you can judge my posts here on their merits rather than derail the thread ?SageBrush is an exceedingly prolific (11,600 post) and generally strident member of PriusChat enjoying a bit of schadenfreude. He'll move along when the witch hunt is over.![]()
Just saw an ad for clean diesel Jettas tonight on CBS in Indianapolis. Guess they haven't gotten the email?Article was corrected by NYT - Stop Sell is for '15 and '16...
No derailment, just addressing a question you chose to ignore; context is useful. Carry on.Wrong on schadenfreude; and I do try to be respectful when I visit my neighbors. Since I make no attempt to hide my internet trail, perhaps you can judge my posts here on their merits rather than derail the thread ?
I saw three of them of three different networks today while watching football today......Just saw an ad for clean diesel Jettas tonight on CBS in Indianapolis. Guess they haven't gotten the email?
If I owned a CR TDI, I would be looking at selling it and putting the money toward a Tesla Model S. However, I have a PD (BEW) so I'll keep my TDI.
Compared to what ?
It looks to me like SCR+LNT+EGR passes Euro 6 without cheating. I'm less sure about meeting US standards, but at least they are within shooting range, at least from a technical perspective. I have no idea about cost, reliability or performance trade-offs.