Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[Borsig]

OBD protection ideas

http://shop.autocyb.com/products/cyblok

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/d...w9uSpUDq2d9kZXsnyXUpieL-_ts5dRcbBQaAiC58P8HAQ

 

[motoblue]

It boggles my mind that anyone with a 2015 would be willing to take the bath on 20% depreciation any new car would realize on a trade in that early. All indications right now are that the 15s will have it relatively easy. A flash, more urea usage and (speculating but seems a no-brainer) warranty extension on the emission system, at least. And the loyalty incentive package. Your car will still be awesome after this is taken care of. So, no judgment, honestly, but puzzlement for sure.

That's how I see this offer - half apology, half loyalty inducement. I am keeping my car as I'd originally planned barring some diaster with the recall program (which I will put off as long as I can). This cash/credit package is coming at a good time cause she is due for new tires.

 

[RollingCoal]

It boggles my mind that anyone with a 2015 would be willing to take the bath on 20% depreciation any new car would realize on a trade in that early. All indications right now are that the 15s will have it relatively easy. A flash, more urea usage and (speculating but seems a no-brainer) warranty extension on the emission system, at least. And the loyalty incentive package. Your car will still be awesome after this is taken care of. So, no judgment, honestly, but puzzlement for sure.

That's how I see this offer - half apology, half loyalty inducement. I am keeping my car as I'd originally planned barring some diaster with the recall program (which I will put off as long as I can). This cash/credit package is coming at a good time cause she is due for new tires.

Assuming I get at least kbb trade in value (actually got more on my FJ cruiser I traded in on the golf) it's not a 20% depreciation. With cash incentive I would be willing to lose a litte to trade up to a golf r as my needs have changed a bit in the last year. I wouldn't be sad if I had to keep the tdi but the stigma of this fiasco may effect resale values on anything with a tdi badge for at least for 2-3 years which is all I planned to keep the car anyway.

 

[dmarsingill]

FYI if you consider Atlanta's metro population then you get the 5.5 million but if you consider LA's METRO population you get 13 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area) - far more than the 3.9 million you first considered.

Also the top 5 cities with the worst air quality are all in California - mostly due to the prevailing wings going across the ocean as opposed to land (IE trees on land clean the air - the ocean not so much)
http://www.stateoftheair.org/2014/c.../2014/city-rankings/most-polluted-cities.html

You are right. But my point was that you live 400 miles from there.

Donald

 

[romad]

Which is far better than buying one too small.

Not really:

Buy one too large and she thinks/says "So you think I'm fat?"

Buy one too small and she may just think/say "Aw, you don't think I'm fat!"

Don't know her size and she may think/say "You know the size of every part on the TDI, but you don't pay attention to me!"

 

[autdi]

Not really:

Buy one too large and she thinks/says "So you think I'm fat?"

Buy one too small and she may just think/say "Aw, you don't think I'm fat!"

Don't know her size and she may think/say "You know the size of every part on the TDI, but you don't pay attention to me!"

Agree on the too large, but on the too small, I'd get "So you think I should be that size" effectively you think I'm fat at the current size.

Asking what size, will bring up, so you think I'm getting fat?

You can't win, we can probably agree on that, so I've gone to gift cards to where she shops. Then again, I'm an engineer, and think dressed up means not wearing a t-shirt, so what I would pick ends up back as a return for style reasons even if I did get the right size, so I'm just streamlining the process, she's going shopping anyway.

 

[whitedog]

Not really:

Buy one too small and she may just think/say "Aw, you don't think I'm fat!"

Or, "Is this the size his girlfriend wears?"

 

[scdevon]

Sorry if this has already been asked...has anyone looked into the possibility of a mechanical lock device preventing the dealer from connecting to the computer port? My concern is that I bring the car in for some routine work and they hook it up without my consent.

I don't think dealers use the OBD connector (under the dash) to update and reflash an ECU. I believe they access the ECU connector directly under the wiper cowl area.

Maybe if my engine blew up under warranty, I would consider letting the dealer touch my car. (My car has been out of warranty for a while anyway). Otherwise, my advice is to never let any VW dealer touch your car ever again. Most warranty "issues" are B.S. anyhow ("My air conditioner smells funny"......"My radio has static"........."I hear a noise"....."My brakes squeak")........and the monkeys at the dealer will cause more problems than they "fix" with minor warranty complaints. Just stay away from the scammers altogether.

 

[bring]

Yup. VW dealer offered me $14,000 for my 2015 Golf TDI that has less then 20,000 miles.

So you made me curious.

I just went to KBB to see what my trade in value is. Loaded '15 Jetta SEL with only 3500 miles - $18k

Sticker was $31k

Is there an icon for throwing up in your mouth?

 

[bring]

last night I put my car in kbb and it came back at 23,900 for trade in.

Huh? See above....

 

[RollingCoal]

So you made me curious.

I just went to KBB to see what my trade in value is. Loaded '15 Jetta SEL with only 3500 miles - $18k

Sticker was $31k

Is there an icon for throwing up in your mouth?

That is surprising. Mine is a 15 SEL golf and it blue books at $24k on trade in. Mine is fully optioned as well.

 

[the beave]

Perhaps sue the refineries first for their emmissions while you are at it sue the EPA as well for MUCH Lax standards on the BIG oil industries.
And what about all the Toy industries with toxic paint recalls? They promised you too a safe toy for your baby

You live in a Toxic Industrial country... get used to it....
FYI your US president drives a HUGE emission spewing Cadillac (8mpg)..... ask him how he feels about his emissions!

Chen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How DARE you bring honesty and logic to the table??

Great Post man. It's the end of the world as we know it.........
and i feel fine..........................
the beave

 

[autdi]

That is surprising. Mine is a 15 SEL golf and it blue books at $24k on trade in. Mine is fully optioned as well.

MSRP on a 15 SEL was 27,230, what brings it to 31k?

 

[marmaj]

Chen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How DARE you bring honesty and logic to the table??

Great Post man. It's the end of the world as we know it.........
and i feel fine..........................
the beave

I am curious, beave: why is it that you reliably rehash and restate the same point of view over and over? I would love for you to explain that, even if in one or two words only, because as much as I might try, I can't figure it our by myself. Can you help me here?

 

[dmarsingill]

So you made me curious.

I just went to KBB to see what my trade in value is. Loaded '15 Jetta SEL with only 3500 miles - $18k

Sticker was $31k

Is there an icon for throwing up in your mouth?

That's typical for any car that fresh off the car lot.

Donald

 

[crazyrunner33]

So you made me curious.

I just went to KBB to see what my trade in value is. Loaded '15 Jetta SEL with only 3500 miles - $18k

Sticker was $31k

Is there an icon for throwing up in your mouth?

A 2015 Honda Accord LX-S that has a sticker price of over 30k has a trade in value of 17k. I checked my car's value from NADA(what most dealers use) and my value on September 22nd and again just now, it looks like mine dropped by about a grand.

The value of a car depreciates the most in the first two years. The moral of the story, cars are terrible investments.

 

[autdi]

A 2015 Honda Accord LX-S that has a sticker price of over 30k has a trade in value of 17k. I checked my car's value from NADA(what most dealers use) and my value on September 22nd and again just now, it looks like mine dropped by about a grand.

The value of a car depreciates the most in the first two years. The moral of the story, cars are terrible investments.

So, for my '14 Beetle, the TDI cost 3k more than the 1.8T model similar trim otherwise. Trade value today, 4k more than the same model, same options selected. So, it's doesn't appear to be hitting TDI Beetles, unless a month ago, there was a larger gap than 4k.

For the '15 Jetta SEL 1.8T is 2k less than a TDI on trade value, but only cost $900 less new.

Are all VW trade in values dropping, because it doesn't seem that the TDI numbers are too far out of line, they were more to start, and have expanded the gap to the gas models on trade in value.

 

[gcodori]

I am curious, beave: why is it that you reliably rehash and restate the same point of view over and over? I would love for you to explain that, even if in one or two words only, because as much as I might try, I can't figure it our by myself. Can you help me here?

There are two very different options on the situation here.

Some are outraged like they were lied to directly. These people demand immediate action in terms of buyback, hangings and salting the earth. The cars are unsafe! They'll murder you in your sleep!

The other group feels that the EPA was lied to and that they are caught in the middle of two giants comparing member size. They would prefer to just drive the cars that emit the same about of pollution as a BBQ. Other cars pollute, factories pollute. Cows pollute. Yada, yada.

Both sides think they are right. Both sides think the other side is wrong (and idiotic to boot).

People need to remember the old saying comparing opinions and aholes. We all got them and you're all going to have to accept that some you won't like.

No one owes anyone an explanation why they feel a certain way (unless you happen to be that persons mom).

Can't we all just get along? Mmmmkay?

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

 

[Riflesmith]

There are two very different options on the situation here.

Some are outraged like they were lied to directly. These people demand immediate action in terms of buyback, hangings and salting the earth. The cars are unsafe! They'll murder you in your sleep!

The other group feels that the EPA was lied to and that they are caught in the middle of two giants comparing member size. They would prefer to just drive the cars that emit the same about of pollution as a BBQ. Other cars pollute, factories pollute. Cows pollute. Yada, yada.

Both sides think they are right. Both sides think the other side is wrong (and idiotic to boot).

People need to remember the old saying comparing opinions and aholes. We all got them and you're all going to have to accept that some you won't like.

No one owes anyone an explanation why they feel a certain way (unless you happen to be that persons mom).

Can't we all just get along? Mmmmkay?

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There is a third camp. The people that are happy with the performance, economy, comfort, good looks, great handling that these cars provide. The people in this camp may or may not care about what comes out of the tail pipe(I do not). Not coincidentally, they have been the group that has posted the least in this thread.

Could be simply because they like their cars.

 

[Rico567]

There are two very different options on the situation here.

Some are outraged like they were lied to directly. These people demand immediate action in terms of buyback, hangings and salting the earth. The cars are unsafe! They'll murder you in your sleep!

The other group feels that the EPA was lied to and that they are caught in the middle of two giants comparing member size. They would prefer to just drive the cars that emit the same about of pollution as a BBQ. Other cars pollute, factories pollute. Cows pollute. Yada, yada.

Both sides think they are right. Both sides think the other side is wrong (and idiotic to boot).

People need to remember the old saying comparing opinions and aholes. We all got them and you're all going to have to accept that some you won't like.

No one owes anyone an explanation why they feel a certain way (unless you happen to be that persons mom).

Can't we all just get along? Mmmmkay?

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

You are my hero right now. (Afternoon, Nov. 10th 2015) That may change in a few more pages of posts on this, the most entertaining of threads.

 

[RollingCoal]

There is a third camp. The people that are happy with the performance, economy, comfort, good looks, great handling that these cars provide. The people in this camp may or may not care about what comes out of the tail pipe(I do not). Not coincidentally, they have been the group that has posted the least in this thread.

Could be simply because they like their cars.

There's also the camp of people that are happy with the car the way it is now but feel that if a fix is forced on me that results in any less of a car I don't want it. Unfortunately I am married to VW through the warrantee on my brand new car so not ever taking it back isn't an option at all.

 

[fredthe]

I ran into that issue. For me...it was a browser & network issue. When I tried registering via a different network and computer...it worked just fine.

Thanks for that, I'll try again on a different computer/network.

 

[ray96disco]

don't buy the extreme contact tires. they are a very loud tire and quite frankly not very extreme in the contact area.

Mil grazie,

They just happened to be the first Continentals the dealership had on the list.

 

[GCoop]

MSRP on a 15 SEL was 27,230, what brings it to 31k?

Base MSRP is actually $27,510 for a 15 TDI SEL
LDAP Package $1,690
Lip Spoiler Option $375
Monster Mat set w/ trunk liner and Cargo Blocks $235
Destination Charge $820

Sticker $30,630

 

[angelman]

not if you had the misfortune of only have the choice of buying a car with the ultra crappy ipod adapter that removes the aux in. I have to spend $150 on special cables to put in any alternative stereo now.

There is an aux in. Hit the CD button twice. Plug a standard phone cable in the center lift compartment between the front seats. Works with my phone fine.

 

[bring]

MSRP on a 15 SEL was 27,230, what brings it to 31k?

Looking at the sticker right now
MSRP $31,015
- DSG
- Driver assistance plus lighting pkg
- Lip Spoiler
- TDI Monster Mats
- Heavy duty trunk liner with VW CarGo blocks
- Roadside Assistance Kit
- Wheel locks

 

[ericy]

I contacted a dealer that sells parts online and they confirmed that the cards can be used to purchase parts online.

That's cool. My wife was thinking of a set of fancy rims, but to get a set of four you are going to spend way more than VW is giving us.

The cargo box looks kind of interesting - I wonder if it will fasten to Thule aeroblade.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

The conditions of this "Goodwill" Package are really interesting. Why doesn't it apply to those who owned the car when the **** storm started late September and who sold their car in the meantime? Or to those who will sell before the cards arrive? The activation of the cards require that you still own the car at activation time. Why trying to get people stuck with a car they do not want anymore?

Why wouldn't they require that you still own the car? Are they supposed to also give gift cards to everyone that sold a TDI in the past month? The past two months? Etc.

By selling your TDI, you washed your hands of your car and VW washed their hands of you. I called it a while ago (I'm sure I wasn't the only one)...VW slow rolled announcing any sort of compensation because they knew that a slew of people would panic dump the cars. Every person that dumped their car is one less person that they'll have to compensate.

 

[14tdipassat]

Why wouldn't they require that you still own the car? Are they supposed to also give gift cards to everyone that sold a TDI in the past month? The past two months? Etc.
By selling your TDI, you washed your hands of your car and VW washed their hands of you. I called it a while ago (I'm sure I wasn't the only one)...VW slow rolled announcing any sort of compensation because they knew that a slew of people would panic dump the cars. Every person that dumped their car is one less person that they'll have to compensate.

Wrong. On this part of the goodwill anyway. The new owner can get the package.

 

[nayr]

Wrong. On this part of the goodwill anyway. The new owner can get the package.

presuming they resold all the panic trade-ins before yesterday