Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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TDIintheLOU

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Everyone has their own needs or reasons for either keeping their TDI's or wanting out of them. If you fall on the side of needing to trade out of your TDI its going to hurt and be expensive. I think VW could increase the loyalty bonus to accommodate the diminished values a little bit. Some will argue that in time values may come back but that is just speculation. VW's image is tarnished and their diesel platform is on life support so I would not anticipate the values to come back anytime soon. No doubt the TDI does out perform its listed expectations in performance and MPG. But we all knew that when we paid the additional cost to get the diesel.

The other side is the die hard diesel fans. For now its drive on and worry less. But who knows where this is going to end up. This situation could easily turn for the worse for the owners on that side of the situation. Can the fix be installed without effecting the overall safety of the vehicle? Will the EPA make changes to the laws that will require all vehicles to be brought into compliance? or will the fines invoked by the EPA to VW to keep the vehicles on the road be so high that financially it would be cheaper to buy them back especially if the fix will affect the safety of the vehicle? Will the "fix" affect what we all have to come to expect in our vehicles? Again just speculation.

I have my own reasons and needs for wanting out of my diesel. I also respect others that are in love with cars and would never part with their diesels. Hopefully you never end up on this side of the situation and VW can get things sorted out.
 

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So many apologists for VW's fraud on this site. There love of VW blinds them to the facts or they have no integrity in their own life so they see that behavior as acceptable.
Are you saying that because we think it doesn't affect us, we have no integrity? They committed fraud to EPA.......how does that affect me? I don't enforce laws, I don't make laws, and I am not a judge. I don't run the EPA nor work for them.....how did they commit fraud against me?

I may disagree with people on here, but I will not stoop low and start insulting someone. So I do believe you need to be careful of what you type.

If you look at the polls on this website, you will see that the majority is the "apologists". It just so happens that this thread is biased toward the victim.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=449135
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448410

Donald
Oh please. I am not an apologist for VW, I just don't care that they 'lied' to the EPA about their minuscule emissions output. And I am offended by dst5's assumption I have no integrity. I have integrity, just not the ego that goes with it to force people to bend to my whim like you want to do.

When companies like Tesla are stopped from selling their 'carbon credits' so other companies can legally pollute more, I'll start caring.
When homes have emissions for regulating atmospheric discharges, I'll start caring.
When EVERY combustion engine is regulated for output and all adhere to the same standard WE voted for based on science and not junk politics, I'll start caring.

Until then, I don't really care that VW 'lied' or 'cheated'. It's a test worth cheating on because the entire process is flawed and based on junk politics. If people are so concerned about their emissions output, start posting pictures of your bicycles that you're now riding in place of driving the TDI. Show your mass transit passes or your carpooling photos. Until then, concentrate on the person in the mirror rather than the person in the window, you'll be happier for it.

I don't know about you but I breathe the air, often on a daily basis, and don't appreciate its having extra ground level ozone because a foreign automaker decided to not obey the laws of the nation in which it decided to set up shop.
Then you are starting a campaign to get all vehicles to adhere to the same standards, retroactively for older vehicles as well, right?

I don't appreciate people setting up laws that allow some a pass while others are excoriated for the same thing. The double standard is staggering but there is no 'fair' in this process of supposed right and wrong.

I bought my 2009 sportwagen as soon as they were available and since I burnt something around 4000 gallons near urban centers since then I really don't feel great about having contributed towards some kid having an asthma attack, at a minimum. It's great if you happen to live somewhere where you could fuel your car with burning tires heating a steam engine and it's desolate enough to not matter, but for anyone near a city that's not the case (and I bet you wouldn't appreciate it if all the city people moved out to the country so they could do the same). I went to China for a work trip recently and you could literally see the air quality get steadily worse and worse over the course of the week, to the point of me (32 and healthy) having noticeable lung irritation by Friday. So I really do appreciate that the Clean Air Act actually gives most of America clean air. I really don't want any corporation, much less one that doesn't even have its management live here to join in the fun, deciding what they think my air quality should be.
So why don't you ride a bike or do something to further reduce your emissions output? Why are you such a polluter? You knew the TDI was a combustion ignition engine, why did you buy it over an EV, like a Volt or Tesla? Why do you willingly contribute to the adverse air quality that you claim makes people sick? Have you no integrity?

And for all the "this engine is so amazing", consider what Toyota could have done with the Prius' engine if it had decided to take leave by a factor of 40 from any particular emissions regulation it decided wasn't great for performance or fuel economy. I am happy for all of you with reliable cars, but mine has been a real disappointment (with only one stranding on an offramp from my HPFP grenading, one almost-stranded-because-the-lock-on-the-fuel-door-failed (at the gas station and after about 50 tries to open one finally did and I left it unclosed until I could get home and cut the locking part off), several liquid gold transmission fluid changes, 3 of 4 doors still unlocking with the key fob, AM radio dying mysteriously, numerous cabin trim/noise issues, the rear brake wear indicator not triggering (first indication was grinding metal, knew they needed to go soon but was waiting for the indicator light since VW can't figure out how to use noise-making indicators), and recently coolant issues for which I'm waiting to see what the emissions repair will be and if I can have that fixed while they're tearing things apart anyway) and I think it has been my last VW.
Ah, now we get to the heart of the matter: sour grapes. I avoided the sour grapes by not buying a first year model in the first place, or any newer model due to the issues reported. I'll keep my old clunky, asthma spewing, smokey rattle trap B4's rather than spend huge sums on a vehicle that has design issues.

I think you will be happy with the Prius, it sounds like it to me anyway. I'm not sure why you didn't buy that in the first place.
 
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maybe368

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And when you flew to China on that Jumbo Jet did you happen to look out the ass end to see the trail of spew you left behind?
Yeah, but wouldn't you have to divide that by all of the people on the plane? Mass transit certainly reduces the individual's footprint...Mark
 

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Yeah, but wouldn't you have to divide that by all of the people on the plane? Mass transit certainly reduces the individual's footprint...Mark
Not enough people on a plane to offset it. Good thing, the majority of it is not ground level....it goes straight to the ozone!!;)

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Got my "apology email" from the dealer yesterday with the "50 pieces of silver" offers. But you had to send them your info with the VIN to get it. I for one am going to keep on driving my WONDERFUL little diesel "mileage machine" and they can POUND SALT if they think they are going to "change" it. The ONLY way VW is going to "lay hands" on it is if I'm "forced" into it by denying it can be registered without some sort of "fix". I for one feel that my life will be less complicated without having to deal with the findings of some entity from the "Left Coast".
After all that same entity gave us the UNVENTED FUEL CAN. :mad:
 

Ch3No2

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Yeah, but wouldn't you have to divide that by all of the people on the plane? Mass transit certainly reduces the individual's footprint...Mark
OK...so put 150 TDI's side by side going down the freeway next to a Jumbo Jet...where would you rather stand and breathe?
 

dmarsingill

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Got my "apology email" from the dealer yesterday with the "50 pieces of silver" offers. But you had to send them your info with the VIN to get it. I for one am going to keep on driving my WONDERFUL little diesel "mileage machine" and they can POUND SALT if they think they are going to "change" it. The ONLY way VW is going to "lay hands" on it is if I'm "forced" into it by denying it can be registered without some sort of "fix". I for one feel that my life will be less complicated without having to deal with the findings of some entity from the "Left Coast".
After all that same entity gave us the UNVENTED FUEL CAN. :mad:
They only have to verify the ownership, mileage, and is still operational. You can get the 2 cards and still drive free of obligation. By the way....the university that found the "discrepency" was on the right coast.(might be connected, though)

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oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
I go to garage and estate sales and buy the old ones for $1.00 each. I'm stock piling the suckers.
Of course I'm driving there in my Jetta TDI, but it's a pre-dieselgate Jetta TDI.

In addition to using old but superior fuel cans, I poop every day on a pre-low-flow nonsense toilet. Reconditioned, and able to gobble up turds in one flush every time. :)

I've got an extra BBQ pit, too, in case they try and ban those. :rolleyes:
 

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The other side is the die hard diesel fans. For now its drive on and worry less. But who knows where this is going to end up. This situation could easily turn for the worse for the owners on that side of the situation. Can the fix be installed without effecting the overall safety of the vehicle? Will the EPA make changes to the laws that will require all vehicles to be brought into compliance? or will the fines invoked by the EPA to VW to keep the vehicles on the road be so high that financially it would be cheaper to buy them back especially if the fix will affect the safety of the vehicle? Will the "fix" affect what we all have to come to expect in our vehicles? Again just speculation.
The 'fix' is pretty much my only concern. I have nearly 2 years on my TDI until it requires re-registration. I would absolutely resist a retrofit with an SCR system since this car was not designed to accomodate one, afaik. Where I live, we have a tri-county DEQ that tests when you re-register your car every 2 years. The way around that is to register your vehicle geographically outside the the DEQs testing zone. That, of course, is 'cheating.' I'm certain our DMV would deny tags without proof of a fix. At least I have 2 years for this to get sorted.
 

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In addition to using old but superior fuel cans, I poop every day on a pre-low-flow nonsense toilet. Reconditioned, and able to gobble up turds in one flush every time. :)

I've got an extra BBQ pit, too, in case they try and ban those. :rolleyes:
Don't forget the lawn equipment and chainsaws, etc. spewing their noxious fumes.:)
 

romad

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I go to garage and estate sales and buy the old ones for $1.00 each. I'm stock piling the suckers.

Of course I'm driving there in my Jetta TDI, but it's a pre-dieselgate Jetta TDI.
I had a couple of old ones that were damaged. I traded them out for the new models at a household haz mat event. I'll leave them with the house when it is sold - in pristine unused condition. Oh I drove to the event in my toxic spewing PD TDI... no, wait that isn't correct as I use CARB-formula approved Diesel HPR from Propel! My TDI don't stink!
 

RBTDI

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They only have to verify the ownership, mileage, and is still operational. You can get the 2 cards and still drive free of obligation. By the way....the university that found the "discrepency" was on the right coast.(might be connected, though)
Donald
Uh, FYI - West Virginia is not on any coast:eek:
 

Abacus

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I go to garage and estate sales and buy the old ones for $1.00 each. I'm stock piling the suckers.

Of course I'm driving there in my Jetta TDI, but it's a pre-dieselgate Jetta TDI.
I buy my fuel cans in Canada, where they don't have that nonsense. They also have larger 6.6 gallon ones, which means I can make fewer trips.
 

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I poop every day on a pre-low-flow nonsense toilet. Reconditioned, and able to gobble up turds in one flush every time. :)
You probably won't care much, but my first impression after reading the above part of your entry was that it is impossible for me to treat that person in any way seriously after the visuals the sentence created.

If this was your intention, congratulations to you - mission accomplished.
 

jettapenguin

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The NATO cans and spouts are good, though they come in green.
The JustRight Type II 5 gallon Safe-t-Cans are great, they don't spill and are easy to throttle with the handle on the top but pricey. Picking up "antique" cans for $1 is a lot easier on the wallet
 

coner

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Sorry if this has already been asked...has anyone looked into the possibility of a mechanical lock device preventing the dealer from connecting to the computer port? My concern is that I bring the car in for some routine work and they hook it up without my consent.
 

BRUSSELS BELGIAN

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I am member 302 of this forum. I was at the first national GTG in NC. So, I will NOT be addressed as a "Troll." I enjoy watching the "cool-aide drinkers" on this site acting like lemmings defending VW. No excuse for it. Also, I had what I thought was a funny post taken down by the thought police. I see we are now throwing original members on the bonfire of the Inquisition to preserve the faith.....
 

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Sorry if this has already been asked...has anyone looked into the possibility of a mechanical lock device preventing the dealer from connecting to the computer port? My concern is that I bring the car in for some routine work and they hook it up without my consent.
You can purchased a device that covers the port with a rod that prevents an adapter being plugged in.

http://locktechinc.com/news/?p=564
 

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You live 400 miles from CA's largest city of 3.9 million. I live 30 miles from GA's largest city of 5.5 million. Our air quality is no worse than LA, and you should see all the gross polluters our good ole boys drive here!! In the hottest part of the year(hotter than LA), we might have some smog warnings, but it dissipates rather quickly.

You are not thinking straight if you think the 40x NOx amounts to much. Only a small percentage of those 488,000 are on the road at 1 time in the same area. It dissipates long before the next TDi drives by.(statistically)

Donald

http://www.stateoftheair.org/2014/c.../2014/city-rankings/most-polluted-cities.html

Come to think of it.....our air quality is better than LA, and we have more people near the city. Maybe it's not the cars.
FYI if you consider Atlanta's metro population then you get the 5.5 million but if you consider LA's METRO population you get 13 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area) - far more than the 3.9 million you first considered.

Also the top 5 cities with the worst air quality are all in California - mostly due to the prevailing wings going across the ocean as opposed to land (IE trees on land clean the air - the ocean not so much)
http://www.stateoftheair.org/2014/c.../2014/city-rankings/most-polluted-cities.html
 

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Also the top 5 cities with the worst air quality are all in California - mostly due to the prevailing wings going across the ocean as opposed to land (IE trees on land clean the air - the ocean not so much)
Not to get off topic, but this is not true. We here in Maine get our dirty air from the Ohio River Valley and points west, and it crosses plenty of trees to get here.
 

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Ambulance chasing SCUM.

I am sick of attorneys and their 34% skimming and the people who support them. All we ever get in class actions is a $2.50 voucher and the attorneys get MILLIONS.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! These ambulance chasers are NOT YOUR FRIEND or even representing your best interests!
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DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D
People have for the most part, lost their minds.
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You Go Tom!! :D
 
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