So many apologists for VW's fraud on this site. There love of VW blinds them to the facts or they have no integrity in their own life so they see that behavior as acceptable.
Are you saying that because we think it doesn't affect us, we have no integrity? They committed fraud to EPA.......how does that affect me? I don't enforce laws, I don't make laws, and I am not a judge. I don't run the EPA nor work for them.....how did they commit fraud against me?
I may disagree with people on here, but I will not stoop low and start insulting someone. So I do believe you need to be careful of what you type.
If you look at the polls on this website, you will see that the majority is the "apologists". It just so happens that this thread is biased toward the victim.
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Donald
Oh please. I am not an apologist for VW, I just don't care that they 'lied' to the EPA about their minuscule emissions output. And I am offended by dst5's assumption I have no integrity. I have integrity, just not the ego that goes with it to force people to bend to my whim like you want to do.
When companies like Tesla are stopped from selling their 'carbon credits' so other companies can legally pollute more, I'll start caring.
When homes have emissions for regulating atmospheric discharges, I'll start caring.
When EVERY combustion engine is regulated for output and all adhere to the same standard WE voted for based on science and not junk politics, I'll start caring.
Until then, I don't really care that VW 'lied' or 'cheated'. It's a test worth cheating on because the entire process is flawed and based on junk politics. If people are so concerned about their emissions output, start posting pictures of your bicycles that you're now riding in place of driving the TDI. Show your mass transit passes or your carpooling photos. Until then, concentrate on the person in the mirror rather than the person in the window, you'll be happier for it.
I don't know about you but I breathe the air, often on a daily basis, and don't appreciate its having extra ground level ozone because a foreign automaker decided to not obey the laws of the nation in which it decided to set up shop.
Then you are starting a campaign to get all vehicles to adhere to the same standards, retroactively for older vehicles as well, right?
I don't appreciate people setting up laws that allow some a pass while others are excoriated for the same thing. The double standard is staggering but there is no 'fair' in this process of supposed right and wrong.
I bought my 2009 sportwagen as soon as they were available and since I burnt something around 4000 gallons near urban centers since then I really don't feel great about having contributed towards some kid having an asthma attack, at a minimum. It's great if you happen to live somewhere where you could fuel your car with burning tires heating a steam engine and it's desolate enough to not matter, but for anyone near a city that's not the case (and I bet you wouldn't appreciate it if all the city people moved out to the country so they could do the same). I went to China for a work trip recently and you could literally see the air quality get steadily worse and worse over the course of the week, to the point of me (32 and healthy) having noticeable lung irritation by Friday. So I really do appreciate that the Clean Air Act actually gives most of America clean air. I really don't want any corporation, much less one that doesn't even have its management live here to join in the fun, deciding what they think my air quality should be.
So why don't you ride a bike or do something to further reduce your emissions output? Why are you such a polluter? You knew the TDI was a combustion ignition engine, why did you buy it over an EV, like a Volt or Tesla? Why do you willingly contribute to the adverse air quality that you claim makes people sick? Have you no integrity?
And for all the "this engine is so amazing", consider what Toyota could have done with the Prius' engine if it had decided to take leave by a factor of 40 from any particular emissions regulation it decided wasn't great for performance or fuel economy. I am happy for all of you with reliable cars, but mine has been a real disappointment (with only one stranding on an offramp from my HPFP grenading, one almost-stranded-because-the-lock-on-the-fuel-door-failed (at the gas station and after about 50 tries to open one finally did and I left it unclosed until I could get home and cut the locking part off), several liquid gold transmission fluid changes, 3 of 4 doors still unlocking with the key fob, AM radio dying mysteriously, numerous cabin trim/noise issues, the rear brake wear indicator not triggering (first indication was grinding metal, knew they needed to go soon but was waiting for the indicator light since VW can't figure out how to use noise-making indicators), and recently coolant issues for which I'm waiting to see what the emissions repair will be and if I can have that fixed while they're tearing things apart anyway) and I think it has been my last VW.
Ah, now we get to the heart of the matter: sour grapes. I avoided the sour grapes by not buying a first year model in the first place, or any newer model due to the issues reported. I'll keep my old clunky, asthma spewing, smokey rattle trap B4's rather than spend huge sums on a vehicle that has design issues.
I think you will be happy with the Prius, it sounds like it to me anyway. I'm not sure why you didn't buy that in the first place.