Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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turbobrick240

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Read my last sentence. I have used dealer techs for service with no ill effects. The point is you were wrong in your statement. There are dealers who do excellent work. Finding a dealer who does good service is about as hard as finding an independent who does good work. The trusted mechanics list is but a start to finding that person. I am lucky to have runonbeer handy for major things. But he is 40 miles away and not easy to use for some routine items. I have a dealer handy and another independent I am testing for those times. Both independents are closed on the weekends while the dealer is open for business on Saturday. As I told my children when they were young, any time you make a blanket statement you are almost always wrong.
No, a blanket statement would read like this: 100% of tdi guru's will service tdi's better than 100% of dealer techs. I stand by my statement. Personally, my car never gets touched by dealer techs. But then again , I'm capable of doing most work myself.
 

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Fair enough. I was basing my comments off our '98 stick. The '12 is a DSG.

I haven't stalled either one of them ;)
Stalling a DSG is easy. Did it in the first week. At a stop light, rev the motor with your foot on the brake. Donk, sputter, rattle, rattle, silence. Easy as pie. ;)
 

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As much as I wish for a swap, it is not going to happen. Even though, I think it would be the best thing for VW. Why?
-It would keep customers with VW.
-It would keep factories running.
-It would keep dealerships running.
-It would keep their brand on the road.
People say it would be the most expensive option. Compared with retrofitting an AdBlue system, I beg to differ. Imagine the engineering, production, TESTING, and warranty costs. If they swapped cars, all of that is wrapped up in a big ol' beautiful package with a pretty bow on it for the customers. But again, will not happen.

My fear: A buy back. VofA drags their feet until mid summer, after admitting they cannot fix it after "extensive"(ya right) research, and allowing values to drop like a stone AND only giving us "private party" value. It may or may not be mandatory, but with values so low, it would be one of our better options. That is unless you plan on driving it to 400k miles like many of us do haha.
 

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To no surprise, I would expect a full on assault by the state of California and CARB. They will more than likely mandate the update for vehicles to comply, or will ban them from their roads (via non-renewal of registration, etc.)
Which makes for a very interesting situation for all the other CARB compliant states such as the one you and I live in. I've never been a fan of a group of officials in another state where I have no voting rights making a set of legislative decisions that effect me.
 

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its either this or move to an emissions free state
I have to comply with my state's regulations
I obey the law
Hip hip hooray! In actuality this scandal has made you a dirty, rotten lawbreaker every time you drive your car. Haha.
 

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I'm curious (if this has been discussed previously...my bad)...has anyone gotten clarification about what dealers might be considering doing with the "discretionary" money that was mentioned in the hearing?
 

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Impossible - you don't give someone with an '09 a brand new car
Not saying this is going to happen, but there are plenty of people with LNT cars that are less than 2 years old (myself included) I think there will be many different options for different circumstances
 

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Not saying this is going to happen, but there are plenty of people with LNT cars that are less than 2 years old (myself included) I think there will be many different options for different circumstances

It was just an obvious example - our cars have depreciated - this is not a windfall
 

turbobrick240

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Everybody wants a free car. Entire game shows are devoted to it. Life isn't a game show. There will be no free cars folks. Sorry.
 

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Hip hip hooray! In actuality this scandal has made you a dirty, rotten lawbreaker every time you drive your car. Haha.
True, lol. If I was a real do gooder I would of stopped driving it. We're all in a quagmire I guess. I will never think of Nitrogen Oxides the same ever again.

But if they do get really technical wonder if EPA may make VW take the cars off the road. Doubt that would happen.

Please don't send the police after me.
 

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Not saying this is going to happen, but there are plenty of people with LNT cars that are less than 2 years old (myself included) I think there will be many different options for different circumstances
No one's gonna get free use of a car (in terms of depreciation) whether it's 2 years or 6 years, I don't care how much you feel lied to.
 

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EGR cooler recalls on the BEWs are pretty much always a mess, because they can't be bothered to put that support bracket back in place, and then the pipe cracks over and over again. Until someone like me comes along, recognizes the problem lies in a missing part, and corrects it. :rolleyes:
Gonna have to backup Oilhammer with my own anecdotal experience on this one.

I bought a used BEW. After a while, blam, car sounded funny - everything pointed to the turbo. Turns out - it was the cracked turbo-to-EGR cooler pipe.

In researching, I found the car had been through the EGR cooler recall. The new EGR cooler had a place for about 7 bolts, and one bracket - of which only 1 bolt had been installed (and no bracket....).

One bolt.

Having installed the bracket & all the bolts myself, I can tell you why the dealer didn't bother to install it all - cuz it was a royal PITA. Very difficult to get at a lot of those bolts.

But, if I could do it, completely inexcusable for a dealer to have muffed it up.
 

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Gonna have to backup Oilhammer with my own anecdotal experience on this one.

I bought a used BEW. After a while, blam, car sounded funny - everything pointed to the turbo. Turns out - it was the cracked turbo-to-EGR cooler pipe.

In researching, I found the car had been through the EGR cooler recall. The new EGR cooler had a place for about 7 bolts, and one bracket - of which 1 bolt and no bracket were installed.

One bolt.

Having installed the bracket & all the bolts myself, I can tell you why the dealer didn't bother to install it all - cuz it was a royal PITA. Very difficult to get at a lot of those bolts.

But, if I could do it, completely inexcusable for a dealer to have muffed it up.
That and because reinstalling a bracket and six more bolts takes time. Time that the tech could put into knocking out another car or two. It's stuff like this that's why I won't be taking my car in for whatever mechanical refit they come up with.
 

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Sorry, couldn't resist messin with ya. I do actually have a lot of sympathy for anyone who bought new in the last year or so, if that were me I'd be seriously hacked off.
And there are those of us who bought one within a few weeks of this story breaking.
As I wanted the manual transmission, there wasn't much to choose from at the end of August. I ended up finding one online at a dealer 175 miles from where I live. I settled for a color that would not have been in my first 5 choices.
I do love the car, I am willing to give VW the opportunity to try to make things right.
 

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I heard the NJSP are setting up road blocks as we speak - you're toast buddy ;)
I wouldn't be surprised, Christie wants to make more money for our state. He made eye contact with my wife at the Labor Day Parade. I'm jealous.

He looks so good in a business shirt tucked under those slacks.
 

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My dealer just emailed me a $2000 loyalty offer when I purchase a new VW

I emailed back

The jury is still out whether my wife and I will ever purchase another Volkswagen product again.

Our concerns:

Volkswagen is still lying and there's more to come

AdBlue isn't what it's built up to be and the software update will greatly effect the cars mpg (one of the main reasons we purchased the car)

Our brand new 2015 Golf TDI's value will drop through the floor and unless we purchase another VW.

And their stock answer was "I totally understand. Hopefully in time we can earn back your trust."

Yeah... good luck with that
 

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For those who missed this here is VW solutions ranging from most likely (1) to least likely (6):

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5) BUY BACK CARS OUTRIGHT: VW stated this is the worst case scenario. Any VW which could not be brought into compliance with software tweaks owners would accept, would be bought back and crushed (destroyed). VW stated that average buy back price would be $15,000.00 at a total cost to VW of $4.5 Billion.

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I don't get why these cars need to be crushed. They are perfectly safe, operating vehicles. But they need to be crushed just because they don't meet US/EU emission standards? People need good cars in other countries, and those other countries may have their own standards (imagine that!), and in some of these countries, these cars meet those standards (South Africa, for example):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/us-volkswagen-emissions-south-africa-idUSKCN0RZ0PA20151005

If it comes to this scenario, it would be worse for the environment to crush all these bought-back cars. I'd much rather they certify that these cars have been withdrawn from the US/EU market, and then sell them in other markets. These cars are infinitely cleaner than what I've seen and driven on the roads in Africa and SE Asia.
 
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I didn't hear that. I heard the Horn guy yesterday say that the vehicles are totally safe and legal to drive in the United States.

Im not saying it is in Germany's interests. I'm saying it's in their competitors interests that VW gets screwed over. How is this a conspiracy lol. Corporations are profit maximizers and always looking to achieve an advantage over their competition. They frequently influence public policy....I dont think this concept is revolutionary or a surprise.
So in other words, you're spouting conspiracy theories even though you're completely uninformed.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/german...present-solution-to-diesel-emissions-problem/
 

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My dealer just emailed me a $2000 loyalty offer when I purchase a new VW
I emailed back
The jury is still out whether my wife and I will ever purchase another Volkswagen product again.
Our concerns:
Volkswagen is still lying and there's more to come
AdBlue isn't what it's built up to be and the software update will greatly effect the cars mpg (one of the main reasons we purchased the car)
Our brand new 2015 Golf TDI's value will drop through the floor and unless we purchase another VW.
And their stock answer was "I totally understand. Hopefully in time we can earn back your trust."
Yeah... good luck with that
Taking your concerns in order:

1. How do you know X 2? (How do you know they're lying, and how do you know there's more to come?)

2. How do you know that the software update will reduce the mpg?

3. (I assume you meant the sentence without the "and.") Again, book values have dropped, but how do you know they won't come back up, or that they will only be normal if you trade on a VW?

MY concern is that you appear to be privy to information, expressed in all your concerns, that no one else I know of on this thread has expressed. Do you care to expatiate?
 

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That and because reinstalling a bracket and six more bolts takes time. Time that the tech could put into knocking out another car or two. It's stuff like this that's why I won't be taking my car in for whatever mechanical refit they come up with.
If I had to get the recall done, I would go over it with a fine-tooth comb after the fact.
 

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And there are those of us who bought one within a few weeks of this story breaking.
As I wanted the manual transmission, there wasn't much to choose from at the end of August. I ended up finding one online at a dealer 175 miles from where I live. I settled for a color that would not have been in my first 5 choices.
I do love the car, I am willing to give VW the opportunity to try to make things right.
The thing a lot of people are forgetting is that when this blows over - and it will - they/you still have an awesome motor vehicle with a particular set of desirable attributes that pretty much no other comparably priced cars have. Certain people will still want these cars regardless of the final upshot of this whole mess.

A few owners are panicking over, in the words of Shakespeare, "...a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".
 

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I do love the car, I am willing to give VW the opportunity to try to make things right.
Me too. So I am going to get the fix (because I have to) and then gauge the changes. Worse mileage? Worse performance? If so, that's when I will get into, "Hey! This isn't what I purchased!" and see where it takes me. Maybe VW will already have acknowledged that and offered some kind of restitution? We will know soon enough.
 
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