learningneverends
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Cnbc.com just reported other diesel auto makers are cheating also. At least VW is not alone now.
What you're saying is ludicrous.
None of this is about protecting GM, Ford, or Fiat.
Cnbc.com just reported other diesel auto makers are cheating also. At least VW is not alone now.
The problem with your theory is that we've seen no indication that the Obama administration, and by extension the EPA, has promoted ANY concerted agenda to restrict or discourage auto imports, e.g. vis a vis tax policy, etc.Besides I hardly think this is unrealistic behavior for governments to engage in.
If it's the same article I saw this morning. They found that most diesels emitted more NOx than the legal limit in every day driving conditions.Cnbc.com just reported other diesel auto makers are cheating also. At least VW is not alone now.
VW cheated, and world government's are mad because of it.lol ok. It's clearly about the devastation all these TDIs are really causing on the environment.
Before bought a Tdi I test drove a 3 and was not impressed, the biggest fault I found was the steering was too quick with oversteer. I felt it would be much more comfortable driving the jetta longer distances from a handling standpoint. I was right I like the handling of my mk6.Question: Why is those who are turning away from the TDI's running to the Mazda 3' and 6's?
A friend of mine owns the Chico VW dealership. In June he opened a Mazda dealership next door to the VW one. I need to go and rib him about planning ahead to retain his customer base!Question: Why is those who are turning away from the TDI's running to the Mazda 3' and 6's?
And again, I state, I'm sure Germany is threatening to deem VWs illegal to drive to benefit the American auto industry.The problem with your theory is that we've seen no indication that the Obama administration, and by extension the EPA, has promoted ANY concerted agenda to restrict or discourage auto imports, e.g. vis a vis tax policy, etc.
There are government incentives to purchase hybrids as well as a free pass to use carpool lanes to beat traffic. Fuel efficient diesel autos have received no consideration.Do you not see the contradiction in your own "critical thinking"? You think the big bad government/EPA/The Illuminati, whatever, is practicing protectionism by trying to eliminate this "minuscule amount of vehicles"? That's their strategy? Protect the US auto industry from 1% of cars sold here - some of which are actually built here by American workers?
Is there a sale on tin foil hats going on somewhere that I haven't heard about?
I didn't hear that. I heard the Horn guy yesterday say that the vehicles are totally safe and legal to drive in the United States.And again, I state, I'm sure Germany is threatening to deem VWs illegal to drive to benefit the American auto industry.
I have owned two VW and have been in three major accidents. The cars doors and trunk worked just fine after each one. Walk away with out any injuries.
Read the quoted post. No restictions on brand/price were mentioned just a question about knowing any manufacturer. I could have said Rolls Royce, Ferrari, etc.The guy he was responding to was talking about going from a '12 Golf to a new Mazda 3 - I'm pretty sure he wasn't looking at $70K cars...
It wasn't stated as a law of science. Relax. You are very lucky to have runonbeer working on your car. You obviously aren't using the great dealer tech's, so I really don't see your point.Another unprovable statement. There have been issues with some on the trusted mechanics list. It isn't infallible either. When I point people to the list I usually tell them to search and check references of the mechanic first. I fortunately have a trusted mechanic I have been using for a decade (runonbeer). I trust his opinion, work and he is reasonable in price. I have had cars serviced by the dealership with no issues as well.
No, you owned a FoMoCo product. The old Mazda 6 was a Ford Probe stablemate. Thank God Mazda is no longer linked to FoMoCo!I know this is not a Mazda forum, however be-warned;
I owned for three years a brand new 2005 Mazda 6 , manual tranny...
The clutch failed at 30KMiles (shuddering badly), after had it replaced, and few more thousands miles some ball bearing on the transmission shaft stated to whistle. Sold it before a >$1K repair bill to hit me.
On one instance it died on me completely on my way to work (alternator + batt)
Windshield wiper motor died too.
Driveability and performance were completely unimpressive.
If they are now better - I don't know
I read it just fine the first time - there was an implied context to the conversation that either you missed, or are intentionally refusing to acknowledge.Read the quoted post. No restictions on brand/price were mentioned just a question about knowing any manufacturer. I could have said Rolls Royce, Ferrari, etc.
I don't think there's any -immediate- worries. The EPA is already taking some heat for VW getting away with the emissions cheat for 8 years. Imagine how much they will take if a whole bunch of cars from many manufacturers suddenly can't pass "real world" (whatever that turns out to be) tests. So- until CARB or the Euros move forward with this, I don't think we need to worry about any rush by the EPA.There are pages after pages of babbling but this has the possibility of being real news. If they all fail it's going to give VW a partial out. "They were standards impossible for anyone to reach".
If this develops further, that is if it's true that no car meets the standard in real world driving, kiss your "buy back" ideas goodbye.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/an...sions-tests-guardian-2015-10-09?siteid=yhoof2
Just for fun, I contacted the dealer to see if they can/will do anything for those who just want out of their TDi for whatever reason, knowing that VW needs those current owners to stay loyal. They talked about the $2K owner loyalty bonus (peanuts), but also said that VW has told them it's going to do more....they just haven't said what yet. Stay tuned....It's worth noting that based on Horn's testimony, the dealers have individually been given money to address this.
Buybacks aren't happening on a corporate level, and they're only going to happen in the form of favorable trade-ins on a dealer level (they're going to use the money to make sure you remain a customer - if you don't want a VW after this, a multi-brand dealer may be your best bet).
That said, I still think everyone is better off hanging on to their cars.
Read my last sentence. I have used dealer techs for service with no ill effects. The point is you were wrong in your statement. There are dealers who do excellent work. Finding a dealer who does good service is about as hard as finding an independent who does good work. The trusted mechanics list is but a start to finding that person. I am lucky to have runonbeer handy for major things. But he is 40 miles away and not easy to use for some routine items. I have a dealer handy and another independent I am testing for those times. Both independents are closed on the weekends while the dealer is open for business on Saturday. As I told my children when they were young, any time you make a blanket statement you are almost always wrong.It wasn't stated as a law of science. Relax. You are very lucky to have runonbeer working on your car. You obviously aren't using the great dealer tech's, so I really don't see your point.
It is clear that Europe has some bad smog problems these days, and they are blaming it on diesel.Because the NoX standards are too stringent maybe? Not equal to what the Co2 and hydrocarbon standards are? I could be wrong.
They're solid to drive, and in the warmer climates at least, are reliable and relatively inexpensive to service. Lots of mom & pop service places can work on them and not ruin them. Lots of aftermarket tuning parts available.Question: Why is those who are turning away from the TDI's running to the Mazda 3' and 6's?
If I am not able to sell my Golf TDi in the mean time, I will not accept a retrofit, ever. They will have to buy my car back or I'll be lined up with everyone else who's suing them.
are there still hybrid incentives? For some reason I thought I read that only EV vehicles were getting tax breaks. I'll have to check the .gov siteThere are government incentives to purchase hybrids as well as a free pass to use carpool lanes to beat traffic. Fuel efficient diesel autos have received no consideration.
Just call me and I will come get it. You can take a video of me driving it away to Texas to live on.I had promised myself that if the car becomes totally valueless then I will personally drive it to the crusher and make a video of it and post it for ****s and giggles.
Because it's a dog. It looks good - that's about it though. It's a fancy Prius.The one car I don't see anyone comment on as a possible TDI replacement is the Lexus CT200h. Design totally stolen from the Mazda 3, Lexus service, and 40+ MPG. Has anyone test driven, or own one? The price is obnoxious, though.
So here in SoCal, we pay .47 kWh at the highest tier, which we easily hit in our house, averaging 900 kWh monthly.I am with you. I am lucky to have a 2010 who value has declined before this fiasco. I hardly ever drive it now that I have an electric car for my daily commute. It is just a back up cat for that occasionally long drive......
It's Lexus's version of the Prius. Better handling (but not at Golf or Mazda level), better interior but less interior room, quieter, 5-8 mpg less than the Prius due to more weight (sound insulation and such), less stigma if you think there's a stigma to driving a Prius. More like choosing to buy an A3 TDI over the VW version. If you like the idea of a Prius it's a valid choice.The one car I don't see anyone comment on as a possible TDI replacement is the Lexus CT200h. Design totally stolen from the Mazda 3, Lexus service, and 40+ MPG. Has anyone test driven, or own one? The price is obnoxious, though. Would have to go to the used market I think
I also survived a high speed collision very similar to the accident you just described in my 2001 Passat B5 which was solidI got rear ended on the freeway going 65 mph- spun me out, did a 180 so I could see cars coming directly at me as I was facing the wrong way (this was the part that sucked). I managed to spin the wheel in the right direction so I hit the concrete median out of traffic.
Sat for a couple minutes and just walked away a little sore.
Certainly don't pay full retail for parts, but since dealers are independent franchises, not owned by VW, they can't be stuffed that badly by VW either.Your numbers for retrofit are way too high. Volkswagen doesn't pay their full retail price for parts and they certainly don't pay their own $100 per hour labor rate. Take your estimate and divide it by three, and you might be a bit closer.