Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[scooperhsd]

For the most part, I agree with you. However, my 2000 TDI Beetle was the exception. Brakes were so heavily weighted to the rear that it went through rotors at 25k. Replaced pads about between every 20 and 25 k miles. So, IIRC, after 140k miles, I did six sets of pads and three rotors on the rears. I replaced the front pads at 125k because I didn't believe they still had life in them.

What were you doing that went through brakes that fast ? I'm at 334,000 miles now and I haven't put more then 2 sets of replacements since 2003 (when I bought my used NB) ....

 

[totitan]

[/I]which translates roughly to:
While the 2.0-liter diesel engines used in North America relied on technology developed by Bosch, VW used Continental's technology in the smaller 1.6-liter diesel engines. While a computer update will most likely sufficient for the Bosch software, more expensive and complex updates are required for the Continental System such as changes in the engine and replacement of injectors.

If the above is true, we in the US and Canada will most likely get just another software update and that's it. Nothing mentioned about the potential hit in performance and MPG numbers though.

Performance, MPG, will go down and CBU (carbon build up from the EGR valve) will become a big problem just like it is on BMW diesels. Count on it. If they could have hit their numbers, and passed emissions without CBU they would have.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Here in St. Louis they are advertising 2015 TSI Passat LE for $16500, including $2000 customer loyalty....I bought 2015 TDI Passat SE for over 25k just a little over a month ago...LE and SE are basically the same trim...can't help but be frustrated with all of this...I really am done with VW if they keep giving these redicilous offers on new sales without giving us something back

Yup. That kind of thing is going to rub people the wrong way. Especially if they give the impression that they aren't concerned with compensating their existing customers...and are only concerned about selling more cars.

What were you doing that went through brakes that fast ? I'm at 334,000 miles now and I haven't put more then 2 sets of replacements since 2003 (when I bought my used NB) ....

No downshifting? I've got a buddy that had a manual Hyundai and went through brakes FAST. I went for a ride with him one day and he was going about 45 MPH and approaching a stop sign...he put the car in neutral and proceeded to mash on the brakes. I asked him why he didn't downshift and he just looked at me like I had my head on backwards.

 

[bhtooefr]

Lots of gentle stopping will chew through rear brakes quickly.

 

[TDI2000Zim]

The SKY is falling: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rns-of-existential-threat-of-cheating-scandal

Apparently, REALLY.

 

[BenC-60]

Thing is we don't know and won't know until Wednesday what will exactly happen to us. I will say it can and probably will be something many people really don't want as the effects of the fix will deminish what a lot of drivers like about these cars; performance, mileage, handling, etc. Right now the best we can do is to hope it's good but prepare to be let down.

 

[Jeta Life]

VW Dealers need more new products

VW Dealers in the US have been left in the dark by VW.
Americans continue to want SUVs and crossovers and all VW puts out here is the Tiguan.
The American people and especially VW dealers need a better product line.
Some ideas for VW to increase sales in U.S :
1. Cross Blue 3 row SUV, bring it here ASAP
2. Midsize crossover affordably priced not luxury like Touareg
3. Eurovan with Camper and Commercial Truck versions
4. Scirocco 2 door sports car
5. Mini VW such as Polo
Why doesn't VW bring any of these to U.S. ?
VW dealers in U.S need better product.
The VW dealerships need more than just Golfs, Jettas, Passats and Beetles

 

[TDI smile]

The SKY is falling: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rns-of-existential-threat-of-cheating-scandal

Apparently, REALLY.

Not during the next 100 years.....Governments own to many shares

 

[BenC-60]

Scirocco 2 door sports car

Please

 

[S2000_guy]

Here's a link to a NYT editorial carried by my local paper:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/insight/2015/10/04/1-vws-dirty-lies.html

They actually understand that the VW diesel issue is with NOx, not the other four pollutants regulated by the EPA. Their estimates of the damage done are speculative, but they state that up front.

Overall, a surprisingly objective look at the issue.

 

[tobianogreg]

I really am done with VW if they keep giving these redicilous offers on new sales without giving us something back

Why not ask for your money back?

 

[PlaneCrazy]

What is the mileage for the TSI on 87 octane? How many miles can you go on 1 tank?

So far, average is about 37 mpg; highway, about 43 mpg highway (my mix leans heavily to highway/rural and not so much to city).

Per tank, keeping in mind that the Mk VIIs have a smaller fuel tank than the Mk VI (50L vs 55L), about 650-700 km average (420-450 miles), 800 km on highway road trips (500 miles).

Those with more city driving in their mix will do less.

 

[ElectricMayhem]

I really hope that VW takes a clue from Malone tuning and start the new software with a modest pump in power, so if the rumored 10% (my guess) hit is made, we are starting from a higher starting point than the 140 HP prior to the fix.
We know (for the Passat) 160 HP/296 lb-ft is possible without turbo upgrade (stage 2)...then drop it down 10% to meet emissions...who would be happy with that?

Ha ha, he makes a joke.

All those Malone tunes and similar are tampering with the ECU software to produce emissions that are likely thousands of times what they are supposed to be.

Don't try saying this in the Performance forum, they don't want to hear it. But if you want to pay someone to remove all the emissions controls from your vehicle, forum vendor BuzzKen is more than happy to take your money.

 

[rwolff]

Audi Conshohocken / Porsche of Conshohocken is a part of Don Rosen Imports in the Philly area and today I bought a 2011 Jetta TDI for $10,500 from their used car location called The Warehouse. I thought VW stopped selling these cars. Anyone know how I was still able to get a diesel? The dealer never gave me a reason.

"Part of Don Rosen Imports" sounds like it's multiple dealerships under the same ownership. Do they have dealerships other than the VW group? Is "The Warehouse" part of the VW group dealership, or is it a stand-alone used car dealership that happens to be owned by the same guy who runs a VW group dealership? From what I've heard, VW has ordered THEIR dealers to stop selling the affected cars (including used), but if "The Warehouse"'s only connection to a VW group dealer is that it's run by the same guy, it wouldn't be affected.

With us, it came down to three: The Passat TDI we're driving now, a Ford Fusion Hybrid, and the Subaru Outback. The Outback was disqualified for its inadequate fuel efficiency and my reluctance to buy a new vehicle that (without fail) is going to need a $2200 head gasket job at 80K miles. But- next year, at trade time, the Subaru will once again be a finalist.

Want something economical to buy, reasonably peppy, good fuel economy, and no massive bills for replacement parts? Can't beat an Elantra Wagon. Might be a bit hard to find, though.

 

[PlaneCrazy]

Americans continue to want SUVs and crossovers and all VW puts out here is the Tiguan.

And the Touareg. Plus Audi Q3/5/7 and A4 Allroad.

 

[nj1266]

I don't want a VW. Just buyback my car for 11660 it market value before this crisis.


Sent from my iPhone 8

 

[tsingtao]

No downshifting? I've got a buddy that had a manual Hyundai and went through brakes FAST. I went for a ride with him one day and he was going about 45 MPH and approaching a stop sign...he put the car in neutral and proceeded to mash on the brakes. I asked him why he didn't downshift and he just looked at me like I had my head on backwards.

I hardly ever downshift for a stop (going down a steep grade is a different matter) and my brakes have plenty left at 57K despite the fact my driving is ~70% city. My reasoning is that brakes are cheaper than clutches and transmissions.

What I do however is try to anticipate the stops and let the car coast. The amount of energy to be dissipated by the brakes increases as the square of the speed. For example if coming to a stop from 30mph takes 1 unit of dissipation then coming to a stop from 40mph takes 1.8 units and from 50mph takes 2.8 units; 60mph would take 4 units.

Even in a 45mph zone if you are going 50mph (trying to be realistic) and you let your car coast down to 40mph when you see the red light you only use (40/50)^2=64% as much brakes as you would have slamming on the brakes at 50.

 

[tsingtao]

The SKY is falling: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rns-of-existential-threat-of-cheating-scandal

Apparently, REALLY.

Germany will never let VW go under.

 

[romad]

Kids aren't really a purchase. Not that they aren't expensive to maintain. And unless you are getting them from someone else there is nothing for anyone to disclose to you.

As for education, the price of that is all over the map.

So, what are the other two?

Actually, he was almost on it:

#2 PAYING for your kids college educations

#1 Supporting your wife & family.

And, yes, you do "purchase" kids via doctor & hospital bills for pregnancy & delivery!

 

[bluey]

I hardly ever downshift for a stop [..] My reasoning is that brakes are cheaper than clutches and transmissions.[...]

Same here.

Obviously on steep downhills, engine braking is required to save the brakes from overheating. Amazing how many drivers are clueless on that. (But probably modern brakes are less prone to overheating and fade.)

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Same here.
Obviously on steep downhills, engine braking is required to save the brakes from overheating. Amazing how many drivers are clueless on that. (But probably modern brakes are less prone to overheating and fade.)

The brake discussion is off topic.

 

[S2000_guy]

...
Want something economical to buy, reasonably peppy, good fuel economy, and no massive bills for replacement parts? Can't beat an Elantra Wagon. Might be a bit hard to find, though.

I wasn't aware that these existed until after I purchased my JSW TDI and was subsequently behind some kind of Hyundai/Kia "Touring" model. It looked damned interesting to me...but "looking interesting" and "an interesting drive" are often not the same.

 

[drywaller]

Please!

He has a valid point. VW lied. Many bought the TDI for the clean aspect. I however bought mine for the milage and milage only. If the fix reduces milage I feel that I too would be of the thought that VW owes me as well. What is wrong with that logic?

 

[turbobrick240]

He has a valid point. VW lied. Many bought the TDI for the clean aspect. I however bought mine for the milage and milage only. If the fix reduces milage I feel that I too would be of the thought that VW owes me as well. What is wrong with that logic?

The only thing wrong with your logic is all the if's. My feeling is that the software fix will probably reduce the fuel economy to the epa figures you looked at before your purchase. As long as the cars meet the epa figures, you really can't say you were mislead. My car is far from stock, and even if it was, I wouldn't get the previous or upcoming updates.

 

[tvmaster]

No kidding, lol. To be serious though...they just tossed out $2,000 Owner Loyalty cash to ALL existing VW customers willing to buy a new car at the moment. If they don't give the impacted TDI customers over twice that amount, I don't see them making too many people happy.

they did? where? when? none of the dealerships we deal with has tried to offer us $2k

 

[tvmaster]

VW Dealers in the US have been left in the dark by VW.
Americans continue to want SUVs and crossovers and all VW puts out here is the Tiguan.
The American people and especially VW dealers need a better product line.
Some ideas for VW to increase sales in U.S :
1. Cross Blue 3 row SUV, bring it here ASAP
2. Midsize crossover affordably priced not luxury like Touareg
3. Eurovan with Camper and Commercial Truck versions
4. Scirocco 2 door sports car
5. Mini VW such as Polo
Why doesn't VW bring any of these to U.S. ?
VW dealers in U.S need better product.
The VW dealerships need more than just Golfs, Jettas, Passats and Beetles

what we want in California are cars that qualify for the car-pool lane, namely electrics and hybrids. at least five neighbors have added hybrids in the last year alone

 

[tadawson]

Mine called to offer me a 'refresh', and seemed befuddled when I declined because VWOA would not allow them to sell me anything I actually wanted. *ZERO* interest in a gasser downgrade here . . . and the only deal I may want is a deeply discounted new TDI . . . .

And compensation? For what? Selling me a car that was better than advertised or promised? Seriously?

And about the only thing I want that they don't import is the GTD . . .

- Tim

 

[pknopp]

The only thing wrong with your logic is all the if's. My feeling is that the software fix will probably reduce the fuel economy to the epa figures you looked at before your purchase. As long as the cars meet the epa figures, you really can't say you were mislead. My car is far from stock, and even if it was, I wouldn't get the previous or upcoming updates.

It has been noted.....VW salespeople long used the pitch that TDI's got far better mpg's than the window sticker stated.

Now you can say that's not VW but it still is. The salespeople legally do represent VW and their product.

Like you, I just plan to avoid any updates and then I'm good.

 

[imurrx]

they did? where? when? none of the dealerships we deal with has tried to offer us $2k

It may be regional. I have see it in the northeast which is a strong market.

 

[imurrx]

Mine called to offer me a 'refresh', and seemed befuddled when I declined because VWOA would not allow them to sell me anything I actually wanted. *ZERO* interest in a gasser downgrade here . . . and the only deal I may want is a deeply discounted new TDI . . . .

And compensation? For what? Selling me a car that was better than advertised or promised? Seriously?

And about the only thing I want that they don't import is the GTD . . .

- Tim

Want to buy my TDI Cup SE?