Are you basing the 50% hit as going from a 4 cylinder TDI to a 6 cylinder gasser, or on just from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder regardless of fuel type?The VR6 is fun and all, but I'd be very hard-pressed to take a 50% fuel economy hit from the VR6, even with the incentives they're offering. $5,000 buys a lot of gas, but for me, it isn't really about the money (he says, driving the V10 to work).
Canada geese migration is rigged!We need a wall tall enough to keep these pesky Canada goose immigrants out. And we need to make Canada pay for it.
Depending on your commuting patterns, a 1.4T or 1.8T is a viable choice. If you haven't checked one out go down and drive one because they are rather fun.
The 1.4T gets comparable mileage to the TDI, the 1.8T less so, but still doable if you are no longer driving 100 miles per day like some of us were doing when we purchased our TDIs.
The GSW wasn't bad, but the problem I had with them was they only come with an automatic unless you get the base model (same kind of problem with the 1.4T--only comes in base).
So far the sweet spot (enough room with comparable mileage) seems to be the Jetta 1.4T with tech package. In order to get keyless, Carplay, and backup you have to step up to the Sport package at least and then you have to get a 1.8T.
If they were offering a Golf or Wagon manual 1.4T I think I'd be all over that.
I think I have all that right...it was kind of a swirl
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Except for NOx, the Passat gassers will have HIGHER exhaust emissions compared to the TDI in the other 4 categories (GHG, HC, VOC, PM) of regulated emissions.If you can stomach 2016 Passat gassers
.... there are some deep discounts out there
Prius, Cube, Soul, PT Cruiser, HHR, Element .. many other cars would like to have a word with you, sir
I always shake my head when people try to show how many miles one needs to drive before the savings of a Diesel makes up for the higher initial cost over a gasser.
Texas & Oklahoma: two great statesPS: Always did love Texas
But NOT on game day with OU.
But ALWAYS pulled for Texas every OTHER FB GAME.
I decided to read some of the comments and as they talked about the European model Passat, I checked it out and their model looks a lot better than our model. I would buy the European Passat.
Let me call Donald and make it happen.We need a wall tall enough to keep these pesky Canada goose immigrants out. And we need to make Canada pay for it.
I was at the dealer the other day, and one of the sales persons I talked to said the '17s will be 1.5T's and no more 1.4T. Don't know how much it will affect the car.Depending on your commuting patterns, a 1.4T or 1.8T is a viable choice. If you haven't checked one out go down and drive one because they are rather fun.
The 1.4T gets comparable mileage to the TDI, the 1.8T less so, but still doable if you are no longer driving 100 miles per day like some of us were doing when we purchased our TDIs.
The GSW wasn't bad, but the problem I had with them was they only come with an automatic unless you get the base model (same kind of problem with the 1.4T--only comes in base).
So far the sweet spot (enough room with comparable mileage) seems to be the Jetta 1.4T with tech package. In order to get keyless, Carplay, and backup you have to step up to the Sport package at least and then you have to get a 1.8T.
If they were offering a Golf or Wagon manual 1.4T I think I'd be all over that.
I think I have all that right...it was kind of a swirl
I always shake my head when people try to show how many miles one needs to drive before the savings of a Diesel makes up for the higher initial cost over a gasser.
I'm like, ***? Who cares about that?
They present it as if a diesel solution is a CON that doesn't add up.
Clueless!
I've NEVER bought a DIESEL because of it's HIGH MPG, that's just a bonus on top of all the PROS.
Just 1 example of many Diesel PROS, every time I see an accident where someone burned alive in fire & died or not, I always think: Too Bad they didn't buy a Diesel instead, they would most likely alive today if they had.
Just 1 more PRO added to the long list why Diesel is better than Gasser.
How fuels burn comparisonCar was not hit in front
Yes it DOES look like gasoline burning -- but have never seen a diesel car fire either --- to make a comparison
Maybe there are few(er) diesel fires
Interesting... I bought my used 2009 a couple years ago for $16. Less than 2 years later and it only blue booked for $8. I thought the 50% hit was supposed to be for new cars! And to think these were supposed to hold value.
Depending on what trim you've got it affects the price of the car. My example is that I've bought a 2009 JSW Highline in August (1 month before the scandal) and paid 13k. A similar but berline Jetta was 8k. Now I've given up on holding the car as it's reliability is not worth it against a gasser. I'll probably go with a Honda afterwards.Interesting... I bought my used 2009 a couple years ago for $16. Less than 2 years later and it only blue booked for $8. I thought the 50% hit was supposed to be for new cars! And to think these were supposed to hold value.
A couple of years ago I SOLD a 2011 DSG TDI Golf with only 48,000 miles for $15,500.
I have a 1.8 TSI in my Golf, with a 5-speed manual gearbox, and got 40 mpg (5.85 L/100 km) on my last tank after 538 km of driving, not MFD but calculated with fingers and calculator. Mostly rural and autoroute driving. Rural I go with the flow which is typically 80-100 km/h and rarely overtake except to get a tailgater off my arse. On the autouroute I drive at the "points" limit, 110 km/h (official limit is 100). Tank range under these conditions is 800 km. Any amount of city driving increases the consumption a fair bit. My previous tank was 36 mpg; 42 mpg (5.7 L/100 km, kind of a magic number for me as that's also 50 miles per imperial gallon) on the highway is pretty consistent. And it runs on regular. Given that I'm now retired and no longer have a 100 km each way commute, I'm more than happy with this result with an engine that is much more pleasant than a TDI. The car is eerily quiet on the highway, much more so than my wife's '13 Golf TDI wagon, has good low-end torque peaking at 1600 RPM, and keeps that to 4200 rpm. Torque-wise, think a 1.9 PD that peaks at a lower RPM and keeps it for a good 1600 rpm longer.
When I bought mine I look at other jetta tdi's in my area. Normal price was $20k to $25k. The one I got practically looked new (maybe a commuter) and had 70k miles.
Car was not hit in front
Yes it DOES look like gasoline burning -- but have never seen a diesel car fire either --- to make a comparison
Maybe there are few(er) diesel fires
In order to get some diesel soaked straw to ignite a few years ago, the local bomb squad used a road flare - WAY hotter than a match or propane torch.
