Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

[autdi]

I've read thru a lot of this thread, but not all of it, so I'm sorry in advance if this has been answered.

Assuming VW will buy back at Sep15 value, how can I determine on my own what that might have been? Is there a historical value DB? Edmunds seems to have taken that function offline.

BTW, I have a 2012 Audi A3 Sportback TDI.

Thanks,
Craig

Best answer, ask your bank if they have a NADA book from September. That would be a black and white answer.

Somewhat questionable, and unable to confirm independently the accuracy of the information, buybackmytdi.com lists the values from 9/23. Looking at the archive.org site, the values have been consistent on the page since 9/25, but still no way to absolutely prove those are accurate.

 

[LogicBomb]

I've read thru a lot of this thread, but not all of it, so I'm sorry in advance if this has been answered.

Assuming VW will buy back at Sep15 value, how can I determine on my own what that might have been? Is there a historical value DB?

BTW, I have a 2012 Audi A3 Sportback TDI.

Thanks,
Craig

The buyback variables are unknown. I'd just wait until June before getting my hopes up.

 

[mgl_8]

The only article re fair market value that I've found is this one, originally published 09/23/15 and updated in Feb 2016: http://www.buybackmytdi.com/index.php/10-main-news/44-kbb-values

I feel like a victim of bait and switch. I handed VW $$ for a car that was not what I thought was buying. I know it won't happen, so don't bother assaulting me, but I think they own me full purchase price. Don't tell me "here's an X percentage of your purchase price, have a nice day." I have to go buy another car now. I wasn't planning to do that, until I realized you'd sold me NOT the car I bought. So angry and so disappointed.

 

[JohnQ]

Even if totaled, you still have a diminished value claim against VW. They caused the loss in value do to an intentional act, you should have no problem proving that and recovering, potentially even in small claims court.

I think those of us that have totaled our cars (count me in as a total loss) are dreaming if we expect to see a dime out of volkswagen.

We are few, which means we arent loud... our loss will be swept under the rug, if it is even mentioned in negotiations.

Best, best, best case is we get pre scandal value... i would hold no hope for a cash prize on top of that.

Though i will submit public comment when that time is upon us.

I have never been in an accident in near 20 years of driving.. it figures it would happen in the 4 months after deiselgate is anounced, especially since my car was up for sale in july.

I am glad you guys will be getting paid.. my advice, park the TDI and wait it out.. dont end up like me and others.

 

[Vidgamer]

Volkswagen wanted to profit by cheating, so they deserve no ones pity. And anyone who claims they would turn down a larger settlement because they thought it was "too generous" is completely full of it.

Conversely, don't be too upset when the buyback amount is not the original MSRP. However, if they want to offer me that, I'll take it, sure. I just don't see that happening, and it's unrealistic to hope for that much. It doesn't have to be all one way or the other...

 

[madmarty1]

I'm on my third TDI, a 2010 Sportswagen effected by the "scandal". Currently 15,387 miles (24,763 km) on the OD as of 22 April 2016. Purchased new and paid in full on day of delivery in September 2009. I've been without car payments for over 6.5 years and have no desire for VW to buy back my vehicle, which no doubt would be at a much reduced, prorated amount based on year and mileage---something I don't think is entirely unfair. After all, I've used the TDI as my sole vehicle for the entire time I've owned it, and so far, it's served me well without any substantial problems.

But I would like VW to further compensate me for its deceit, above and beyond the (paltry) $1,000 and 3-year roadside assistance deal it has already provided me. And I would like cash--not a debit card I can't use for cash withdrawals or a card only valid for use at VW dealerships.

What would be additional fair compensation for me? The apparently erroneous, rumored $5,000 figure, that was being quoted by various news agencies immediately prior to the 21 April 2016 court hearing, sounded pretty good. The revised $1,700 amount I last read about, which is currently and wholly unconfirmed, doesn't. I don't want to simply be offered the choice of either a buy back or a fix, without additional recompense should I go with a fix, which I likely would.

If VW really wants to make my day, in addition to offering me further monetary compensation, it will provide a fix that won't significantly impact my car's current performance. What would be significant to me?--a drop in mpg more than a couple of gallons and/or a remedy that would noticeably reduce horsepower or other mechanical merit.

By the way, the 21 June 2016 court proceeding sounds like it will still not bring about any final, legally binding requirements for VW to meet. I have a feeling that won't be for several more weeks, maybe many months, until the period for public comments is closed AND VW has exhausted the appeals process and milked the judicial process for all it's worth.......sort of like an inmate on death row. But in VW's case, nobody is in jail or likely going there.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Yup. I wouldn't expect MSRP, but if there's any truth to the $5,000 thing (on top of the car buyback amount)...that would likely put it close to purchase price for me.

 

[flyanddive]

The problem I have with the buyout is this, it's going to cost VW more to fix your car than you will be getting with the buyout. Thus, you are letting VW somewhat off the hook if you take it. The EPA mode on the car didn't just simply add more fuel, and reduce torque to limit NOx, it commanded the DPF to change regen schedule, and opened valves venting gases elsewhere. Even in EPA mode, the car does not comply with emissions standards, it only fools the testing equipment.

 

[Vidgamer]

Interesting writeup from Jalopnik. I guess to the best extent possible they're mapping out non-TDI alternatives to VAG lineup.
I guess it's time to test a 9th gen Accord Sport…
http://bit.ly/1SoTMT9

That list just makes me sad. No, no and no.

 

[scooperhsd]

Depends on what you bought.
Well said I agree, you sarcastic devil. But if they throw money at me great, but I am driving my car another 5-10 years.

ONLY 5-10 years ???

I'm planning on on 15-20 years. And 500,000 miles - I'm not even there on my 2000 Beetle yet.

 

[austintg]

That list just makes me sad. No, no and no.

Same here, so freaking sad. Such a weak lineup. Nothing really does it for me like my TDi.

 

[26point2]

Best answer, ask your bank if they have a NADA book from September. That would be a black and white answer.

Somewhat questionable, and unable to confirm independently the accuracy of the information, buybackmytdi.com lists the values from 9/23. Looking at the archive.org site, the values have been consistent on the page since 9/25, but still no way to absolutely prove those are accurate.

The buyback variables are unknown. I'd just wait until June before getting my hopes up.

Thanks...I'll call the bank next week.

I know that there will be variables...I know approximately how many miles I had on the car at that time (within 1k miles anyway). I'm just curious what it would have been back then compared to now...even if it's all just estimates.

We are already looking at a new Q3 so any "extras" we get from VW on the buyback/trade-in will be cool.

R/
Craig

 

[surroundsound64]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-22/volkswagen-car-buy-back-just-unleashed-havoc-us-car-market

It is really disheartening to me to see how all of the VW patrons are so upset with VW. Yeah, sucks that we got a loss in resale value, but ultimately that software was designed to provide us with a highly reliable product which yielded low fuel consumption. They have absolutely provided me with that. I have owned 3 other diesels (trucks) and know the problems that can plague diesel emission in the form of plugged EGR valves and stopped up DPFs. Bad ammonia sensors and faulty DEF pumps. My hat is off to VW for trying to give me a product that works. And mine works great.

And everyone who is worried about how much it will cost VW... They have insurance. AIG will be footing that bill.

 

[bizzle]

I doubt their insurance covers fraudulent behavior.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-22/volkswagen-car-buy-back-just-unleashed-havoc-us-car-market
It is really disheartening to me to see how all of the VW patrons are so upset with VW. Yeah, sucks that we got a loss in resale value, but ultimately that software was designed to provide us with a highly reliable product which yielded low fuel consumption. They have absolutely provided me with that. I have owned 3 other diesels (trucks) and know the problems that can plague diesel emission in the form of plugged EGR valves and stopped up DPFs. Bad ammonia sensors and faulty DEF pumps. My hat is off to VW for trying to give me a product that works. And mine works great.
And everyone who is worried about how much it will cost VW... They have insurance. AIG will be footing that bill.

This position is essentially the automotive equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.

The software was designed and fielded for one purpose...to enable Volkswagen to field a vehicle with desirable performance characteristics that could pass a emissions test so that they could make billions of dollars by re-entering the U.S. diesel passenger vehicle market.

It was about making money. Period. I'm sorry, but to believe that they did this because they were trying to "do you a solid" runs contrary to reality/everything that's come out in the past seven months.

 

[Kenn JSW]

And everyone who is worried about how much it will cost VW... They have insurance. AIG will be footing that bill.

Insurance doesn't cover intentional fraud. I doubt there's even any policy that would cover this even if it were somehow an accident.

 

[CSR Penfab]

Insurance doesn't cover intentional fraud. I doubt there's even any policy that would cover this even if it were somehow an accident.

Correct sir. I work in commercial insurance and have for the past 25 years. I'm employed by AIG's biggest competitor. There is no policy that covers a corporation for willful fraud. If there was such a policy, you'd see a lot more mega corporations in VW's shoes.

 

[scooperhsd]

You won't be able to renew your license plate, and likely insurance as well.

Probably in California - not so clear about other CARB states. And Probably forever in non-CARB states.

 

[MBellantone]

I went to my local dealer today.

I was looking for my "regular sales guy" that i bull**** with on a regular basis but he was off today. So I spoke to two other sales guys, just sitting around apparently with nothing to do (service was packed though). Either they are very skilled at deception or they haven't a clue about what's going on. I spent half my time informing them of all that has unfolded in the past two days.

My reason for going in was this: I have no intention of keeping my current TDI. The reliability of my 2014 2.0 6sp manual over this very mild winter left me tepid on the proposition of keeping it. Intercooler freezing and gelling, etc. and looking for something with AWD considering how horrible the JSW's snow/ice behavior.

So I went in, knowing that a buyback was in now a close to done deal and to see what they thought the time interim would be between the prospective time of me handing my keys over til the Alltrack Manual trans would be released. I know from reading about such things, which i do a lot of (and apparently they don't) that the Alltrack would be released as a 2017 model this fall with DSG and the manual to follow shortly thereafter. They hadn't a clue. "Alltrack? what Alltrack?"

I love vw's, have had them consistently since 1979 with my Rabbit. I could probably spend enough to get a BMW or Audi but i'm a manual transmission guy and we know how that goes. (I'm not a BMW guy).

I haven't heard the Alltrack being mentioned here, probably because it's a diesel forum, but has anyone given any thought to this vehicle? At least it should have been in that article, that i cannot recall right now, suggesting what a replacement would be.

Best to all of you,

M

 

[VeeDubTDI]

I went to my local dealer today.
I was looking for my "regular sales guy" that i bull**** with on a regular basis but he was off today. So I spoke to two other sales guys, just sitting around apparently with nothing to do (service was packed though). Either they are very skilled at deception or they haven't a clue about what's going on. I spent half my time informing them of all that has unfolded in the past two days.
My reason for going in was this: I have no intention of keeping my current TDI. The reliability of my 2014 2.0 6sp manual over this very mild winter left me tepid on the proposition of keeping it. Intercooler freezing and gelling, etc. and looking for something with AWD considering how horrible the JSW's snow/ice behavior.
So I went in, knowing that a buyback was in now a close to done deal and to see what they thought the time interim would be between the prospective time of me handing my keys over til the Alltrack Manual trans would be released. I know from reading about such things, which i do a lot of (and apparently they don't) that the Alltrack would be released as a 2017 model this fall with DSG and the manual to follow shortly thereafter. They hadn't a clue. "Alltrack? what Alltrack?"
I love vw's, have had them consistently since 1979 with my Rabbit. I could probably spend enough to get a BMW or Audi but i'm a manual transmission guy and we know how that goes. (I'm not a BMW guy).
I haven't heard the Alltrack being mentioned here, probably because it's a diesel forum, but has anyone given any thought to this vehicle? At least it should have been in that article, that i cannot recall right now, suggesting what a replacement would be.
Best to all of you,
M

Unfortunately, the sales staff is often not informed of things by corporate, and they don't go out of their way to find information out on their own. If I were a sales guy, I'd want to know about my product, especially in a situation like Dieselgate where your livelihood as a salesman is on the line.

 

[bizzle]

ONLY 5-10 years ???
I'm planning on on 15-20 years. And 500,000 miles - I'm not even there on my 2000 Beetle yet.

The only car I trust to do that is my '98 Beetle.

Unless they somehow work some great deal on buying out our leased eGolf, I'm just going to hand the keys of the sportwagen back, take the money, and stick with my ALH.

 

[pkhoury]

From the various reports I have seen nothing says you can keep it like it is. it sure sounds like they want these off the road, period. I could be wrong, though.

Yeah, contrary to some of the posts way way back, there will be no "waiver" and people will either have to accept a fix or a buyback. How the EPA tends to make this compulsory, I'm not entirely sure. I know CARB will just prevent them from re-registering without some kind of proof a fix took place.

I guess that means those of us who aren't in CARB-complaint states have nothing to worry about then. Business as usual. I don't think I've ever heard of a state denying registration for any kind of recall or buyback, let alone a non-CARB state where there diesels are usually exempt anyways.

 

[TCBinaflash]

I haven't heard the Alltrack being mentioned here, probably because it's a diesel forum, but has anyone given any thought to this vehicle? At least it should have been in that article, that i cannot recall right now, suggesting what a replacement would be.
Best to all of you,
M

I'm all about the all track. Just not sure about the availability when I'm ready.

 

[Scratchy101]

The only article re fair market value that I've found is this one, originally published 09/23/15 and updated in Feb 2016: http://www.buybackmytdi.com/index.php/10-main-news/44-kbb-values

I feel like a victim of bait and switch. I handed VW $$ for a car that was not what I thought was buying. I know it won't happen, so don't bother assaulting me, but I think they own me full purchase price. Don't tell me "here's an X percentage of your purchase price, have a nice day." I have to go buy another car now. I wasn't planning to do that, until I realized you'd sold me NOT the car I bought. So angry and so disappointed.

You're not making any sense.
You've had use of a fuel efficient, fun to drive vehicle for 6 years and somehow you think you are entitled to full purchase price from 2010?!?

Other than the increased NoX, what part is NOT the car you bought?
Fuel mileage and HP ratings not what was advertised? Maybe they cheated on the torque ratings?
What were you expecting that you did not receive?

 

[TCBinaflash]

I think those of us that have totaled our cars (count me in as a total loss) are dreaming if we expect to see a dime out of volkswagen.
We are few, which means we arent loud... our loss will be swept under the rug, if it is even mentioned in negotiations.
Best, best, best case is we get pre scandal value... i would hold no hope for a cash prize on top of that.
Though i will submit public comment when that time is upon us.
I have never been in an accident in near 20 years of driving.. it figures it would happen in the 4 months after deiselgate is anounced, especially since my car was up for sale in july.
I am glad you guys will be getting paid.. my advice, park the TDI and wait it out.. dont end up like me and others.

Dont count yourself out yet. I have a feeling this will be addressed somehow.

 

[TCBinaflash]

15k miles in 7 years? Do you just drive it to the end of your driveway to get the mail?

 

[flyanddive]

15k miles in 7 years? Do you just drive it to the end of your driveway to get the mail?

My 2010 has 13K miles on it, I only drive it to and from store parking lots, as I drive my Porsche to work, and other events. So it's possible to have a low mileage car.

 

[romad]

My 2010 has 13K miles on it, I only drive it to and from store parking lots, as I drive my Porsche to work, and other events. So it's possible to have a low mileage car.

I always understood was that short trips and low mileage was the WORST thing to do to a diesel engine.

 

[flyanddive]

I always understood was that short trips and low mileage was the WORST thing to do to a diesel engine.

Well, I will be getting a new engine out of the deal anyway so there's that.

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Well, I will be getting a new engine out of the deal anyway so there's that.

I'm not sure where you got this idea that they're going to swap in a new engine for you - and from what I can surmise from your posts in other threads, a gasoline engine.

There is a gag order on the negotiations through June 21st. Nobody here knows what the actual outcome is going to be at this point.