rhino4evr
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the CEO has officially resigned
I'd be content with free scheduled service for as long as I own the car, and an extended warranty on the emissions stuff since they will most likely ruin it with the fix. I love my car too much to participate in a buyback, they'd have to give me a nice chunk of change
Compensation for loss of power and mileage and power train and emissions warranty extended to 200KWhat do you guys want as a fair compensation for all this?
1. Software flash plus a gift card and extended warranty
2. Software flash plus compensation for the discrepancy in performance and gas mileage.
3. Buyback at KBB's pricing plus 10% premium
4. Buyback at Kbb's pricing plus 10% ONLY if you buy another vw(if not, you get the software flash from #1). New vw will be at a special discounted price as well.
5. Same offer as #3 but extends to the entire VW group of cars.
6. Make up your own offer and discuss
You assume that the regulations are in fact good ones and there are many arguments to the contrarythis guys world overflows with rationalization and justification to break the law
Can't resist noting that it's a bit hard to use anything other than a sedan to "transport a family of four in a sedan."
And remember your PIN number.good one! make sure you stop by ATM Machine while your at it
this guys world overflows with rationalization and justification to break the law
You'd fit right in here in SoCal. All the while passing me up as I feel 65 is safe and efficient, it also happens to be the "legal limit".I was doing 90 MPH down the mostly empty Interstate this morning.
N0x is often used by drag racers to get a spurt of extra power from their engines - It acts to supplement the oxygen used to burn the fuel in the engine.So rolling coal now includes a gas you can't even see?![]()
I think your optimism is misplaced.Because a lot of us DO understand how these things work, and many of us DO reflashes every single day on all kinds of cars for similar problems.
Any prior reflash is not relevant since this news is too new. Every carmaker has new software all the time for all kinds of problems in all kinds of modules.
BILLMN said:Im really curious if my 2010 is stuck in "test" mode... or something... I NEVER see above 40 or 42mpg on a VERY good day!!!! closer to mid to high 30's on a typical tank of highway driving, yes I do keep up with traffic doing 65 to 70 on average and sit in rut hour traffic too, and I do tend to drive my car a bit harder (my other cars are an Audi S4 that I just sold and an Audi S6 LOL) but even before I picked up either of the Audi;s and came from my old '00 Golf tdi I NEVER saw above 42mpg... When I hear of other people getting mid to high 40's and even into the 50's with their SWs I get jealous and then I think about this entire thread of everyone complaining that they might start getting 40ish mpg... LOL welcome to my world from day one!!! but it is what the car is "supposed" to get, and it is about twice what either of my Audis get LOL
Same here. Highest I ever got was 42.6, but that was driving along I-10 between CA and TX (and I got it on 2 tanks). I usually get 36-39 on long trips, except my current trip, when the car is loaded good, along with a full roof rack - then my average is about 28. Normal everyday driving yields about 33-35I never get into the 40's either but thats ok because I doubt the people who do run 80+ on the freeway and generally drive "spiritedly"
Are we talking something having to do with this emissions imbroglio, or having to read this thread?What do you guys want as a fair compensation for all this?
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I live in the same world. And I wasn't thinking at all about that when I was doing 90 MPH down the mostly empty Interstate this morning.
By the way, the few speeding tickets I have gotten have just allowed more money to go to the lawyers and the municipality, perfectly "legal".![]()
The legal limit in CA is also ridiculously outdated. I left CA on Monday, and so far, NV, UT, ID, WY and CO all have 75mph or faster speed limits on the highways, for trucks too. It makes driving a breeze, and with my roof rack, my TDI is still getting roughly the same 28mpg average. If I were to mimick the few Prius drivers I've seen and do 50-55, I could probably get in the low-mid 30s.You'd fit right in here in SoCal. All the while passing me up as I feel 65 is safe and efficient, it also happens to be the "legal limit".
Not quite. Emissions are NO or NO2 (Nitrogen or nitric (di) oxide). Nitrous oxide for race cars is N2O.N0x is often used by drag racers to get a spurt of extra power from their engines - It acts to supplement the oxygen used to burn the fuel in the engine.
N0x is often used by drag racers to get a spurt of extra power from their engines - It acts to supplement the oxygen used to burn the fuel in the engine.
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What exactly was the December reflash supposed to do? I remember seeing that service campaign letter, but since I have a tune, had no desire to get it done right away.I think your optimism is misplaced.
While this story is new to the general public, it's not new to CARB, the EPA and VW. VW has known they've been busted for well over a year, and their December 2014 reflash was designed to correct the problem. It failed.
If a reflash was so easy, one would think that VW would have made one already and saved themselves all the embarrassment of the EPA refusing to certify the 2016 TDIs for sale.
Well for one thing they want to test the crap out of it before they push it out. All of the concerns that we have about shortened life of various engine components would be among the things that they would be looking at.If a reflash was so easy, one would think that VW would have made one already and saved themselves all the embarrassment of the EPA refusing to certify the 2016 TDIs for sale.
Prove that please.I think your optimism is misplaced.
While this story is new to the general public, it's not new to CARB, the EPA and VW. VW has known they've been busted for well over a year, and their December 2014 reflash was designed to correct the problem. .
N0x is often used by drag racers to get a spurt of extra power from their engines - It acts to supplement the oxygen used to burn the fuel in the engine.
Old "dirty" engines typically used a little (or a lot) more fuel than they really needed - carburetion technology meant you had to choose between too rich and too lean, and it was necessary to be sure there was enough gas available to ignite every time the spark plug sparked. It's why they got poor mileage and emitted a lot of hydrocarbons and VOCs. But is also why they weren't too bad on N0x - they burned pretty cool and there wasn't a lot of "extra" oxygen available to create N0x from nitrogen.
Lean burn engines reduced the amount of fuel used, and N0x started to become a problem.
Fast forward to today's gasoline engines, that run using stoichiometric (a word for perfectly balanced) fuel mixtures. There's just enough fuel and just enough oxygen, so relatively little amounts of hydrocarbons or VOCs are left over to be released as smog precursors - and there isn't extra oxygen, either, to produce lots of N0x.
But diesels are different. The ignite the fuel mixture by compressing the contents of the cylinder instead of lighting it with a spark and don't throttle the intake which reduces vacuum and improves efficiency (as does the higher compression ratio). So there's almost always a big deficit in fuel and "too much" oxygen. The high compression ratio leads to high combustion chamber temperatures which also increases N0x creation.
To get rid of the N0x there to be a source of fuel that it can burn in the catalytic converter. This can either be extra hydrocarbons from the engine (which would be pollutants if they weren't "burned off" by the N0x, or injected urea.
If you're "Rolling Coal" you're providing plenty of extra hydrocarbons, and the extra fuel being vaporized acts to reduce peak combustion chamber temperatures. You're emitting enormous amounts of hydrocarbons and VOCs, but the N0x is burning off thanks to all the extra fuel.
So roll on! and don't worry about N0x! (just all the other pollutants)
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Lol I literally drive the piss out of mine and its lifetime mpg is still 35. I think thats amazing. Besides, diesels like to be worked hard...they are not designed to be babied. Theres not a gas car made that would break 20 driven the same way.What I never run 80+ on the freeway![]()
ok wait whats the speed limit? LOL in MN the speedlimit is 10 over whatever it is posted so goin up north if it is listed at 70, ya ya Im going 80 and usually getting passed
and thats with the AC on full blast with 2 or 4 people in teh car loaded down with camping gear, if only 2 people the car is stuffed to teh brim, if 4 then we have a roof bag too LOL
There is a reason my S6 (4.2 v8) only gets in the mid to high teen for MPH... I NEVER drive spiritied LOL![]()
rotflmao!are we talking something having to do with this emissions imbroglio, or having to read this thread?
The Aces were up their sleeve. They got caught cheating and folded.VW has something up their sleeves. A company this big doesn't make a move that big without holding a pair of Aces…
The legal limit in CA is also ridiculously outdated. I left CA on Monday, and so far, NV, UT, ID, WY and CO all have 75mph or faster speed limits on the highways, for trucks too. It makes driving a breeze, and with my roof rack, my TDI is still getting roughly the same 28mpg average. If I were to mimick the few Prius drivers I've seen and do 50-55, I could probably get in the low-mid 30s.