Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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jhawklver

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... might ask the car owners who just popped for $600-$800 in new tires what they think. ... when you buy a car (used) do you look at the banana skins?

... regarding the $$$$s to be pay out ... jusy so much money in the treasury ...
Of course I would look at those things if I were buying a used car. You are inserting "normal" here into an abnormal situation. I don't see VW having the abiltiy or manpower to consider condition on each of the cars.

Mainly though, my point is why do you care what I get if what you get is satisfactory to you?
 

LNXGUY

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Almost everything I've been reading has referred to any vehicle with the 2.0 TDI. Model excluded.. I'd be very surprised if the JSW (GSW or whatever you want to call it) was excluded from any sort of buyback.
 

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There are just too many to list....
why can't you do that after they modify your car? no where does it say Malone can't do what they would do today 4-6 months from now.
Heck you could even use VW money to pay for it.
And that is exactly what a flood of phone calls from my CR customers have inquired about today. Ironic, isn't it, that the EPA's pursuit of Volkswagen's emissions cheating will result Volkswagen paying for a bunch of people's emissions deletion equipment! LMAO!!!! :D:):D:p:):D
 

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If I had a TDI under warranty and that 2 year time frame is accurate I'd be laughing right now.

Drive it till the day/KM the warranty is up and then do buyback/trade in. Worst that could happen in that time is an accident that can't be repaired.
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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2016 Golf (S) gasser AUTO TRANS vs DSG

... you can not get a DSG in a 2016 (S) Golf. Correct?

... Is there anyone who can educate me about VW AUTO TRANS vs DSG?

If I take he buy out ... might go gasser

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I was selling my tdi when the news broke.

I was asking $19500 for an excellent condition VW TDi 2012 with navigation .

But had to settle for $ 14500 when selling it, because many buyers stayed away from the emissions scandal.

I was defrauded of $5000 , plus they did not give me the goodwill package.

How can I ask VW for the amount ?
If you do not get compensated for this, I would begin legal proceedings against the Volkswagen corporation.
 

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And back on topic...

If indeed they are basing buyback off of value pre scandal, you can see why they wanted a photo of your odometer when you activated your Good Will package, and why you had to have a dealer activate it. It had little to do with verifying you as the owner of an affected vehicle as it did to establish value of your vehicle at the time.

Effective even on those that had their service done at non dealers. No chance of trying to say you put on 100k since September. Offering $1,000 is nearly a 100% effective method of getting everyone to comply, too. Sneaky, but let's face it, it is fair. You know damn well a bunch of people would lie to try to increase their value.

If the options are the buyback or the fix, I wonder if they would offer a third option: Keep the car, not fix it, and take compensation to make up the difference in value, rather than the whole KBB value. They may not be allowed to do that "officially", since it doesn't cure the problem of them being on the road.
 

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http://www.autonews.com/article/201...:24:approved:C3E97EABA938F775D3DB960DE876E173

"A U.S. judge announced today in a court hearing in San Francisco that VW has agreed to offer affected owners several options, including a buyback, lease cancellation and -- pending additional government testing and approval -- the option to have their vehicles modified.

The deal will also include “substantial compensation” for the affected owners regardless of which option they choose, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said."

Mark
 

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What's there to whine about?

Hell, I'm celebrating! VW is giving me some great options- Vw gives me $5k to spend on farkles for my TDI, while glutting the market with buy back TDIs so I can stock up on used parts on the cheap. Or I can run the wheels off my '13 TDI for 2+ years and VW will buy it back for what it was worth when it was 2 years old and had 20k miles on it, plus $5000! And then maybe if the market is weak for used '13 TDIs in 2018, I can buy it back after VW fits it with SCR for peanuts and drive it some more!

VW, you're spoiling us!
 

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... you can not get a DSG in a 2016 (S) Golf. Correct?

... Is there anyone who can educate me about VW AUTO TRANS vs DSG?

If I take he buy out ... might go gasser

Thanks


Are you asking what is the mechanical difference? Or reliability and maintenance statistics?
 

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Judge has indicated that public will have the opportunity to comment before he signs off in June. I hope the comments can be made online and not necessarily in person.
 

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122k miles on my 2009 and I still haven't done the timing belt, the DSG/fuel/oil service, and I need new tires. Here's hoping I can gimp it along without putting another dollar into it for a few more months while the details get hashed out.

I WANT THIS CAR GONE RIGHT NOW. If they announce anything more concrete/official, I must just go ahead and buy my new car and leave this one sitting in my driveway until it's time to get rid of it. Timing belt going right now would be devastating.
 

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If I had a TDI under warranty and that 2 year time frame is accurate I'd be laughing right now.
Drive it till the day/KM the warranty is up and then do buyback/trade in. Worst that could happen in that time is an accident that can't be repaired.

Yeah... But if you were involved in a situation were your vehicle was deemed a total loss, I would fear the settlement offer from your insurance company. You are in Canada and I am uncertain how insurance laws in Canada work.

For those in the U.S....

Like it or not, these vehicles are now worth more than FMV. IF VW comes through with a settlement offer of FMV (excellent condition) plus 20-30-40-50% you would be foolish to keep driving the vehicle if you were intending on accepting the buyback offer anyway. The buyback would be CONSIDERABLY better than any insurance companies Total loss Settlement offer... Mark my words on that...

If you totaled your car, you would likely receive current FMV based on the insurance company's methodology. Nothing more and nothing less. Kiss any incentives, $5000 cash goodwill etc goodbye!!

If I had the funds to get two new vehicles right now, I would garage both my TDIs and wait until July. Driving them has now become a financial risk.
 

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Yeah... But if you were involved in a situation were your vehicle was deemed a total loss, I would fear the settlement offer from your insurance company. You are in Canada and I am uncertain how insurance laws in Canada work.
For those in the U.S....
Like it or not, these vehicles are now worth more than FMV. IF VW comes through with a settlement offer of FMV (excellent condition) plus 20-30-40-50% you would be foolish to keep driving the vehicle if you were intending on accepting the buyback offer anyway. The buyback would be CONSIDERABLY better than any insurance companies Total loss Settlement offer... Mark my words on that...
If you totaled your car, you would likely receive current FMV based on the insurance company's methodology. Nothing more and nothing less. Kiss any incentives, $5000 cash goodwill etc goodbye!!
If I had the funds to get two new vehicles right now, I would garage both my TDIs and wait until July. Driving them has now become a financial risk.
Dude I am having the same thoughts...do you think this is concrete enough to warrant garaging my 2009 which needs $2000+ of maintenance/tires? I just want something a bit more official before I "hope" I'm getting $10k+ back from this car to pay back on my new car?
 

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http://www.autonews.com/article/201...:24:approved:C3E97EABA938F775D3DB960DE876E173
"A U.S. judge announced today in a court hearing in San Francisco that VW has agreed to offer affected owners several options, including a buyback, lease cancellation and -- pending additional government testing and approval -- the option to have their vehicles modified.
The deal will also include “substantial compensation” for the affected owners regardless of which option they choose, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said."
Mark
It looks like those of us with the 3.0 TDI will be dealt with later:

"The deal does not apply to about 80,000 3.0-liter V-6 diesels used in VW, Porsche and Audi models. A resolution on those vehicles has yet to be agreed upon. It’s also unknown how much VW will have to pay in government fines for the emissions violations."
 

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And you "have" to sell your car why? or you chose to sell your car.
You're right, I don't "have" to sell my car, but my option to "choose" to sell it has been made significantly more costly, due to the reduced value. Every other vehicle model owner has the freedom to trade in or sell their car/truck right now, with full market values coming their way. We TDI owners have not had that option without severe $ losses since September. I realize this sounds like whining, but they are the facts.
 

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Sigh, gag order and another 2 months (or more if the gag remains until the judge approves the settlement). Time to make more popcorn.
yup. two months before we even know what it is, let alone get any closer to receiving it. Meanwhile, fingers crossed nothing expensive breaks on my car. I'll be keeping all the receipts for sure.
 

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Yeah... But if you were involved in a situation were your vehicle was deemed a total loss, I would fear the settlement offer from your insurance company. You are in Canada and I am uncertain how insurance laws in Canada work.
For those in the U.S....
Like it or not, these vehicles are now worth more than FMV. IF VW comes through with a settlement offer of FMV (excellent condition) plus 20-30-40-50% you would be foolish to keep driving the vehicle if you were intending on accepting the buyback offer anyway. The buyback would be CONSIDERABLY better than any insurance companies Total loss Settlement offer... Mark my words on that...
If you totaled your car, you would likely receive current FMV based on the insurance company's methodology. Nothing more and nothing less. Kiss any incentives, $5000 cash goodwill etc goodbye!!
If I had the funds to get two new vehicles right now, I would garage both my TDIs and wait until July. Driving them has now become a financial risk.

Ya, that's why I'm saying that's the worst that could happen. I'd run the risk, personally. Kinda playing with house money at that point. Worst case you miss out on the 5K + deals. Best case you get 2 extra years/whatever warranty is :)

Mine is so far out of warranty it doesn't matter :D
 

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Hello all, does the judge actually report details of a settlement today or do we wait until June 21? (Just read a USAtoday article)
 

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Dude I am having the same thoughts...do you think this is concrete enough to warrant garaging my 2009 which needs $2000+ of maintenance/tires? I just want something a bit more official before I "hope" I'm getting $10k+ back from this car to pay back on my new car?
Well.. I am not normally a gambler, but as of now, VW has announced that customers will be given the option of a "buyback + cash compensation" (source: check the last 10 pages for news links). If it were me, I would not be doing ANY additional maintenance (other than Fuel filter/oil changes) unless VW was paying for it or I was using the "dealer only" goodwill card.

If your car needs $2000 in maintenance... Not sure what to tell you. I personally would not be dumping $2000.00 into my cars right now if I could get away with it.. I am thinking of putting my 2011 Golf in the garage now and buying an el cheapo a** hauler for work. The golf appears to be having some issues which may be related to the DPF. Not sure I want to risk it....
 
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