Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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crazyrunner33

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gene r

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I am a very early Model 3 pre-order as well, that doesn't mean much to Tesla. If you are prepared to configure the thing to the max, you'll get yours first. So, think ~ $55k for the car and the risk of being an early adopter..
We are already Tesla owners which bumps us up a bit. Yes, my son plans on AWD and other options. He just graduated with a degree in Mechanical Engineering so his income went from zero to $80k a year. You can bet, he's like a kid in a candy store over his Model 3. Interestingly, at UCSB mech engineering, they don't even teach ICE other than a quick summary. "It's soon to be obsolete" they state.
 

pkhoury

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I don't see why a buyback would be an issue whether the car was stock or not. I doubt the dealership is barely even going to look at the car if they do a buyback. 99% of dealerships wouldn't even notice.
Because it's missing parts that substantially change both the car physically and operationally from the time it was sold. But who knows. Even if I was interested in a buyback, I'd be removing a lot of stuff, like the RNS-510, suspension that I added in, etc. I'm sure they'd probably notice that stuff.
I brought mine to a dealership recently to have an alingment (the only time it sees a dealership) and they didn't even know I had done anything to it until I told the tech. He was like "I thought it seemed quicker and smelled a little different". Then once I told him what was done they all thought it was cool. Then the salesman tried to get me to trade it in lol
Of the 3 San Antonio area dealers I've been to in the last 4 months, most of them think it's actually pretty cool what I've done to it. The general consensus I get is that those who modified their cars with a tune/emissions delete aren't even thinking about trade-in's/buybacks period, but this is just what I'm hearing at the dealer.

As for the dealer noticing changes - when I had 23O6 flashed before heading north to get the DPF delete/tunes, I had a crappy Neuspeed Stage 1. Dealer had no clue (and I didn't tell them, since the fine print for 23O6 was that the new ECU firmware couldn't/wouldn't be applied with any ECU/hardware changes), and was able to do it anyways.
 

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Good morning sunshine!...did you sleep well? It is always wonderful to hear you spread your Gearheadgrrrl cheer around the interwebz. You are always so upbeat! I don't know what I'd do without you! XXOO

Kit--again LOL! I appreciate your wicked sense of humor.


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pkhoury

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Interestingly, at UCSB mech engineering, they don't even teach ICE other than a quick summary. "It's soon to be obsolete" they state.
Sadly, this is true. At my school (Cal State Los Angeles), I had two classes in my department back in 2012 (part of the College of Engineering, Computer Science and Technology) - Engine Design and Performance, and Electric, Hybrid and Alternative Fueled Vehicles. The both classes touch a little on ICE, but for the most part, but classes have a lot of the same curriculum and focus primarily on electric, solar, and hydrogen fuel cell (of which our university has a hydrogen refueling station that's open to the public). When I mentioned diesel to the professor, he said it's going away and thinks EVERYTHING will be electric or hydrogen fuel cell in the future, including other modes of transportation (including big rigs, trains, tractors, etc).
 

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Hurry up and wait

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a28916/vw-tdi-emissions-settlement/

"In a California court today, the United States government and Volkswagen announced an agreed fix for the approximately 480,000 2.0-liter TDI-powered VW products in the U.S. affected by the "emissions defeat device."

In addition, there are roughly 90,000 cars in the U.S. with 3.0-liter TDI engines also affected by the diesel emissions cheat.

Volkswagen has agreed to buy back affected vehicles, and accept early cancellations on leased vehicles. In addition, VW has agreed to an owner compensation fund.

The court also stated that Volkswagen will establish a fund for "appropriate remediation efforts," by which the automaker intends to address the excess emissions created by the cheating diesel vehicles.

Some of the negotiations that take place between now and the July hearing will be confidential, the judge pointed out.

The judge has set the following deadlines: Final paperwork on the settlement will be filed on or before June 21st, 2016. At that time, the court will hold a preliminary hearing on July 26th. These filings will be available for review by the public before they are acted upon by the court.

"We think these agreements are an important step forward to making things right," a representative of Volkswagen said during the court hearings. Judge Charles Breyer joked with the Volkswagen lawyer about his previous comments claiming this was "the hardest case [he] had ever worked on."

"You'll be able to best your performance again," the judge quipped. "That's what we in sports call a 'hat trick.'"

The next status conference is set for May 19th, 2016."
 

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The judge has set the following deadlines: Final paperwork on the settlement will be filed on or before June 21st, 2016. At that time, the court will hold a preliminary hearing on July 26th. These filings will be available for review by the public before they are acted upon by the court.
 

Willman67

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JSW TDI excluded from buyback???

I read a few articles yesterday that listed most 2.0 TDI models EXCEPT JSW, or whatever golf wagon name one chooses. Does anyone know if that is because the JSW platform can accommodate the addition of the urea injection system?

Since wagons (variants) are popular almost everywhere except the US I though maybe someone out there might know!

Thanks
 

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What is a DPF delete??
Removal of the diesel particulate filter, both physically and by reprogramming the ECU so fault codes from its removal aren't thrown. And I forgot to mention - federally, it's illegal. Statewise - there are states that don't regulate emissions equipment, especially on diesels (with some vehicles over a certain GVWR being exempt from emissions standards in the state anyways, despite still being illegal federally).
 
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LNXGUY

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If there is a buyback, the wagon will be included. VW isn't going to waste time coming up for a specific fix for a single model of car. It's either all or nothing.
 

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We will be at 50,000+ posts and page 3000+ before we know the details of the agreement/settlement. That $5,000 figure/Sept 2015 values are still all rumor from unconfirmed sources....
 

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My 2¢.. In 1 month there will be a status update that says we're working on it. In June there will be actual numbers. In July the CAS lawyers will balk and say kick rocks. In 2 years we'll have buyback opportunities.
 

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GTI with 17" Wheels/Tires

I also have a MK7 GTI. The JSW has a ton more storage, but if you can manage, that would be a hot ride.
My suggestion for buying a GTI would be to swap 18" wheels with 17" (like on tdi golfs) at the time of purchase........

A major gripe with GTIs is how do you manage the potholes (even minor cracks and undulations) with those 18" wheel/low-profile-tires. Those take a lot of beating. Bent rims, scuff prone machine finish, bubbled tires, alignment off is NO FUN at all - just NOT practical in North East and other States where roads are crappy.

Then spend on getting 4 set of winter wheels/tires, and swap twice a year seems quite a bit of hassle.
 

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My 2¢.. In 1 month there will be a status update that says we're working on it. In June there will be actual numbers. In July the CAS lawyers will balk and say kick rocks. In 2 years we'll have buyback opportunities.

Which doesn't preclude individual owners not partaking in the CAS from dealing with VW directly. Something makes me think VW would be more willing to work with us on an individual level, than a lawyer seeking to pad their pockets.

But I digress, this is VW and what they should do, hasn't always been what they would do.
 
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