Volkswagen's Clean Air Act violations on 2009+ TDIs spark huge recall, investigations

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jen_madcity

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Can we all agree that no matter what the fix/compensation/buyback offer actually is, no matter which path they choose they are absolute fools if they don't offer massive incentives/rebates to current owners on 2016 VW's(even if part of the settlement is not having any TDI's to sell)?
Unless VW gives me an offer I can't refuse, I don't see myself ever buying another VW product. I think there are a lot of people in my shoes, its the only way I can see them ever having a shot at fixing and actually growing their business in the U.S.
100% agree. If they were smart (I think we can all agree that is not the case), they would have offered massive incentives/rebates to those who wanted out (upgrade to a new gasser) within the first couple of months of the scandal breaking. At that point I probably would have stayed with the brand. Unfortunately that ship has long sailed.
 

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Can we all agree that no matter what the fix/compensation/buyback offer actually is, no matter which path they choose they are absolute fools if they don't offer massive incentives/rebates to current owners on 2016 VW's(even if part of the settlement is not having any TDI's to sell)?
Unless VW gives me an offer I can't refuse, I don't see myself ever buying another VW product. I think there are a lot of people in my shoes, its the only way I can see them ever having a shot at fixing and actually growing their business in the U.S.
No matter how good the incentives, I will not touch a new one unless they can demonstrate that they've addressed HPFP, DFP, Sunroof leaks, etc. Also, those incentives then kill the resale value immediately. If they come back will a full purchase price buyback, then I will consider VW having "made it right" and I'll consider the VW brands going forward but only with my cynic's sunglasses on.
 

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100% agree. If they were smart (I think we can all agree that is not the case), they would have offered massive incentives/rebates to those who wanted out (upgrade to a new gasser) within the first couple of months of the scandal breaking. At that point I probably would have stayed with the brand. Unfortunately that ship has long sailed.

... a gasser would have worked for me ... back in Oct-Nov ... still might ... BUT now in a CAS ... so the plot thickened. :mad:
 

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I would not read too much into that. Regardless of what VW thinks it has or doesn't have to offer, the agenda is not going to state, "VW is unprepared to deliver a suitable remediation plan."
exactly! everyone seeking a hand out is only looking at VW's response and fails to acknowledge the Plaintiffs statement saying the exact opposite.
 

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Can we all agree that no matter what the fix/compensation/buyback offer actually is, no matter which path they choose they are absolute fools if they don't offer massive incentives/rebates to current owners on 2016 VW's(even if part of the settlement is not having any TDI's to sell)?
Unless VW gives me an offer I can't refuse, I don't see myself ever buying another VW product. I think there are a lot of people in my shoes, its the only way I can see them ever having a shot at fixing and actually growing their business in the U.S.

I will agree to them being absolute fools ;)

I think they will offer very good incentives, problem for me is they don't have anything I'm interested in - at least not right now. Maybe the redesigned Tiguan but I don't think I'll wait around that long to see - assuming it's settled before the Tig gets released.

Overall though what you get for the money in a VW is way less than the competition.

I would *only* consider a VW at this point to support the local deal who's been great to us, but not in a vehicle that's not everything we need right now.
 

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I will agree to them being absolute fools ;)
I think they will offer very good incentives, problem for me is they don't have anything I'm interested in - at least not right now. Maybe the redesigned Tiguan but I don't think I'll wait around that long to see - assuming it's settled before the Tig gets released.
Overall though what you get for the money in a VW is way less than the competition.
I would *only* consider a VW at this point to support the local deal who's been great to us, but not in a vehicle that's not everything we need right now.
Agreed, their current lineup bores the hell out of me(and before somebody screams GTI--it won't work for me). New Tiguan looks like a winner, but that appears to almost a year off for us(still constructing the plant to build it).

I've mentioned here before, but I would be really happy if they gave us voucher/coupon good for any VW/Audi/Porsche purchase, but I'd imagine VW's dealer's would cry wolf on that arrangement.
 

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That's a complex concept the average poster on Theadzilla can't seem to grasp.
Please don't be condescending. If you have less car than you need and don't have the means to just buy a 2nd car, you're kind of screwed by VW. People's situations change. What if your wife says, "I'm having twins." and you already have 2 kids? Life happens.

Also, some of us have to deal not only with dieselgate but an airbag recall as well. The airbag recall is what changed my plan from "Keep driving it and see what happens even though 2 doors is annoying and it pollutes" to "I don't want to be killed in a fender bender. I'm a dad now. Time to buy another car".
 

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I tried to get some useful response to this same question but got nothing really. I ended up asking a friend who was a lawyer for Toyota during their unintended acceleration crisis and she suggested that there was nothing much to be lost by signing up with a lawyer (they seem to be pursuing a lemon law kind of case FYI). I couldn't really see a downside and thought of it more as a sort of insurance or hedge against whatever solution is dreamed up by VW/EPA etc. I got vilified on the forums for doing so because apparently it is immoral for me to sign up with a lawyer but OK for VW to cheat the law..
 

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Or Promaster??? :p

Promaster is out, because it turns out Fiat does not sell one here that is a passenger van, only a cargo van with windows, and I'd need to have a 3rd party company refit the inside, which I was not thrilled about.

So it is down to the Transit or the Sprinter. I am leaning more towards the Sprinter at this point, as I can get a "lesser" model one that will fit our needs for less money. The Transit would require an extra ~$6k of optional configuring just to get it to where I want.

And since I am still looking at nearly 10 grand worth of upfitting for the wheelchair lift and dual anchor points, I need to keep the purchase price within reason. But this will be a "forever" van, and it will need to serve us until both my boys have passed away, and that may be 20 years yet.


Sprinter all the way! We have one and love it. You can find great deals on the 6cyl version, used 4cyl are harder to find. Ours came with a crazy good warranty through certified pre owned.
 

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I've seen various posts where writers speculate that if VW goes heavy with fixes to the cars in question, that the majority of owners won't go for it. Owners won't accept possible reductions in fuel economy, performance, and reliability.

I am one such owner, who does not like the idea of any "fix" to my car, even though the fix for a 2015 TDI may not be very intrusive. I certainly would not be happy about something like adding an SCR system to my car (if I had an earlier model).

However, I don't think the typical car owner, even the typical owner of a TDI, is like me or the rest of the people on this board. The typical car owner just doesn't think about their car that much.

Should the parties involved feel that fixes to the cars in question are the way to go, I think dangling $$$ in front of the owners would get a pretty high rate of compliance.

Recall: We will be adding an SCR system to your car to reduce emissions. This may cause slight reductions in fuel economy and performance, and will require the addition of AdBlue at regular service intervals. Most drivers will still get fuel economy higher than published on the window sticker. We will warrant the system for X years and Y miles from the time of installation. To compensate you VW will write you a check for $2,000 upon completion of the recall. Or, VW will give you $3,000 toward the purchase of a new VW.

I'll bet that would get a pretty high rate of compliance. I think most TDI drivers are not paying nearly the attention to this situation that we are, and a $2,000 payout (maybe even a $1,000 payout) would get most of them to the nearest dealership for the recall. They cannot tell you how much peak torque the motor produces, they have no idea what a HPFP is, etc. They would see a check for $2,000 like a bluefish sees a Gotcha. (Hey, it's a really nice day out here and I wish I was out fishing. Perhaps I should have tried an analogy that involves goats?)
 

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I'm now starting to feel the effects of dieselgate on the value of our vehicles. Got an estimate from my body shop this morning (after a 400 pound deer buck rammed into the left side of my JSW), and I've lost about $1500-2000 in value since dieselgate broke, according to what the insurance company values the vehicle at.
 

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Please don't be condescending. If you have less car than you need and don't have the means to just buy a 2nd car, you're kind of screwed by VW. People's situations change. What if your wife says, "I'm having twins." and you already have 2 kids? Life happens.

Also, some of us have to deal not only with dieselgate but an airbag recall as well. The airbag recall is what changed my plan from "Keep driving it and see what happens even though 2 doors is annoying and it pollutes" to "I don't want to be killed in a fender bender. I'm a dad now. Time to buy another car".
I completely disagree. You think Takata airbags only affect VW.... try again. I am a VW owner, and a happy one at that, and a single father of an 8 year-old, I have full custody.

People are just looking for a hand out from all of this. It clearly shows the workings of this country and how everyone needs to have their panties in a bunch about something and get something out of someone for nothing.

Diesel-gate is a joke. Emissions standards are a joke and not based on any empirical science, I work in this field. I applaud VW for taking a chance and saying "to hell with the EPA and CARB" and selling me this bad ass family car. Good Luck EPA getting me to change this car to meet your un-thought-out regulations. My car is staying perfect just the way it is. Still a happy customer at 90,xxx non-maintenance miles and thanks for the free money in the Goodwill Package, you shouldn't have.
 

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Diesel-gate is a joke. Emissions standards are a joke and not based on any empirical science, I work in this field. I applaud VW for taking a chance and saying "to hell with the EPA and CARB" and selling me this bad ass family car. Good Luck EPA getting me to change this car to meet your un-thought-out regulations. My car is staying perfect just the way it is. Still a happy customer at 90,xxx non-maintenance miles and thanks for the free money in the Goodwill Package, you shouldn't have.

This quote is a joke.
 

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Trial lawyers and there followers may be holding up the settlement...

I suspect VW and EPA were ready to make a settlement months ago, and after the obligatory theatrics, CARB is now ready to go along. But the real deal killers are probably the trial lawyers who have advertised huge windfall settlements and created unrealistic expectations in some gullible TDI owners. Having spent little so far to develop the case for trial, the trial lawyers could turn a profit on even a modest payoff from VW. But "My law firm got a thousand dollars each for VW owners" does not make great news for them or persuasive future ad spots, So the trial lawyers may very well delay for a settlement that saves face for them.
 

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Whoever is driving this thread should stop on the way home and pick up some oil and a filter.
 

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I'm now starting to feel the effects of dieselgate on the value of our vehicles. Got an estimate from my body shop this morning (after a 400 pound deer buck rammed into the left side of my JSW), and I've lost about $1500-2000 in value since dieselgate broke, according to what the insurance company values the vehicle at.

Ouch! Hope you and the "kids", are okay!
 

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My car was hit while parked on the street in front of my house in December, the driver didn't hang around. Repairs on the car were $3500, fortunately there was no structural damage. It took a few months but I just got a check for $2000 from my insurance company for diminished value.
 

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My car was hit while parked on the street in front of my house in December, the driver didn't hang around. Repairs on the car were $3500, fortunately there was no structural damage. It took a few months but I just got a check for $2000 from my insurance company for diminished value.

Do you mind telling whom you're insured with? That's pretty awesome.
 

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I'm now starting to feel the effects of dieselgate on the value of our vehicles. Got an estimate from my body shop this morning (after a 400 pound deer buck rammed into the left side of my JSW), and I've lost about $1500-2000 in value since dieselgate broke, according to what the insurance company values the vehicle at.
Hope everyone was ok!
400 lbs is a monster deer wish we grew them that big up here ;). My last 3 deer were just a tad heavier then 400lbs all together :)
 

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I completely disagree. You think Takata airbags only affect VW.... try again. I am a VW owner, and a happy one at that, and a single father of an 8 year-old, I have full custody.

People are just looking for a hand out from all of this. It clearly shows the workings of this country and how everyone needs to have their panties in a bunch about something and get something out of someone for nothing.

Diesel-gate is a joke. Emissions standards are a joke and not based on any empirical science, I work in this field. I applaud VW for taking a chance and saying "to hell with the EPA and CARB" and selling me this bad ass family car. Good Luck EPA getting me to change this car to meet your un-thought-out regulations. My car is staying perfect just the way it is. Still a happy customer at 90,xxx non-maintenance miles and thanks for the free money in the Goodwill Package, you shouldn't have.
Right. You work in that field and you believe this? Either you're lying or bad at your job. Clearly you haven't seen the improvement in the atmosphere in the Los Angeles basin over the past 30/40 years. That's a direct result of tighter emissions standards.
 

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VW to pay $5K Each to Settle Dieselgate

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/20/reut...5000-each-to-settle-dieselgate--die-welt.html

BERLIN, April 20 (Reuters) - Volkswagen has reached a deal with U.S. authorities to settle the case over its cheating of diesel emissions tests that would involve it paying each affected customer $5,000, Germany's Die Welt newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Citing unidentified sources close to the negotiations, Die Welt said the agreement would be presented on Thursday to Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco, avoiding a trial that was set to start in the summer.

A U.S. federal judge last month gave Volkswagen and regulators until April 21 to agree on a fix for nearly 600,000 diesel cars on U.S. roads implicated by VW's emissions test-rigging scandal.
 

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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/20/reut...5000-each-to-settle-dieselgate--die-welt.html
BERLIN, April 20 (Reuters) - Volkswagen has reached a deal with U.S. authorities to settle the case over its cheating of diesel emissions tests that would involve it paying each affected customer $5,000, Germany's Die Welt newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Citing unidentified sources close to the negotiations, Die Welt said the agreement would be presented on Thursday to Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco, avoiding a trial that was set to start in the summer.
A U.S. federal judge last month gave Volkswagen and regulators until April 21 to agree on a fix for nearly 600,000 diesel cars on U.S. roads implicated by VW's emissions test-rigging scandal.

I'll take a grain of salt the size of Everest, please. :p
 

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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/20/reut...5000-each-to-settle-dieselgate--die-welt.html
BERLIN, April 20 (Reuters) - Volkswagen has reached a deal with U.S. authorities to settle the case over its cheating of diesel emissions tests that would involve it paying each affected customer $5,000, Germany's Die Welt newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Citing unidentified sources close to the negotiations, Die Welt said the agreement would be presented on Thursday to Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco, avoiding a trial that was set to start in the summer.
A U.S. federal judge last month gave Volkswagen and regulators until April 21 to agree on a fix for nearly 600,000 diesel cars on U.S. roads implicated by VW's emissions test-rigging scandal.

...what the...

April 1st was three weeks ago, yes?
 

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Do you mind telling whom you're insured with? That's pretty awesome.
Allstate, however there was a negotiation involved (initial offer was $1080). Rather than get in the middle of it I paid a third party $139:

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I completely disagree. You think Takata airbags only affect VW.... try again. I am a VW owner, and a happy one at that, and a single father of an 8 year-old, I have full custody.

People are just looking for a hand out from all of this. It clearly shows the workings of this country and how everyone needs to have their panties in a bunch about something and get something out of someone for nothing.

Diesel-gate is a joke. Emissions standards are a joke and not based on any empirical science, I work in this field. I applaud VW for taking a chance and saying "to hell with the EPA and CARB" and selling me this bad ass family car. Good Luck EPA getting me to change this car to meet your un-thought-out regulations. My car is staying perfect just the way it is. Still a happy customer at 90,xxx non-maintenance miles and thanks for the free money in the Goodwill Package, you shouldn't have.
So is your post
 

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This quote is a joke.
Right. You work in that field and you believe this? Either you're lying or bad at your job. Clearly you haven't seen the improvement in the atmosphere in the Los Angeles basin over the past 30/40 years. That's a direct result of tighter emissions standards.
Don't feed the trolls. :p

@pkhoury That's awful. :(
 

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...what the...
April 1st was three weeks ago, yes?
Right? I can't believe this is the whole story. It doesn't address repairs/buybacks.. nothing.

I'd bet this is for certain customers, say Gen 3 customers who might have to deal with the inconvenience of filling their tanks more or something. If this was the solution for Gen 1 customers, they're gonna have to lawyer up, cuz this won't fly.
 

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Please don't be condescending. If you have less car than you need and don't have the means to just buy a 2nd car, you're kind of screwed by VW. People's situations change. What if your wife says, "I'm having twins." and you already have 2 kids? Life happens.

Also, some of us have to deal not only with dieselgate but an airbag recall as well. The airbag recall is what changed my plan from "Keep driving it and see what happens even though 2 doors is annoying and it pollutes" to "I don't want to be killed in a fender bender. I'm a dad now. Time to buy another car".

The airbag concern is an absolute valid one.

The parking of the car because it "pollutes" is not.

And dieselgate is being made much worse by all the drama kings and queens of the world... anyone who stands to profit..

When people smell money, all rational and intelligence go out the window..

Drive people, drive or sit back and wait but please already.. get on with your life
 

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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/20/reut...5000-each-to-settle-dieselgate--die-welt.html
BERLIN, April 20 (Reuters) - Volkswagen has reached a deal with U.S. authorities to settle the case over its cheating of diesel emissions tests that would involve it paying each affected customer $5,000, Germany's Die Welt newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Citing unidentified sources close to the negotiations, Die Welt said the agreement would be presented on Thursday to Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco, avoiding a trial that was set to start in the summer.
A U.S. federal judge last month gave Volkswagen and regulators until April 21 to agree on a fix for nearly 600,000 diesel cars on U.S. roads implicated by VW's emissions test-rigging scandal.
I'd take the money in a heartbeat, but what does this do to fix the emissions problems?
 
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