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I cant get the link to open, but "universal" diesel turbo charger, just in name scares me.
They are universal in that they are converted to vacuum and you can reclock the compressor housing. When you take a normal BMW upgrade turbo you have electronic control mounted on the compressor housing making that impossible. BMW base turbo is used as it comes with v band flanges.
 

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A few years ago Bobby Singh of BSR Racing had a few hybrid turbos fitted to its 3.0 tdi project Audi A4, he dynoed at over 450 Bhp on one…maybe you could drop him a message, he used to be quite active on this forum like most of us back in the day ! I reckon life and work commitments has gone in the way !
 

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I cant get the link to open, but "universal" diesel turbo charger, just in name scares me.
Certainly understandable. I knew a dude who bolted a BMW turbo onto his VW and it immedietly caught flames and took the whole neighborhood block out with it

OP, that turbo could certainly work with your PD motor, you'll just need to do some head work to let it flow and rev it to the moon
 

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It looks to us that you're looking at pretty large turbos now and youre not concerned about lag or spool time anymore ! Contrary to what your previous requests...

That gtd turbo hybrid will work fine however i have a mate that had similar made by AVD Turbo on his bmw 530d and couldnt get the engine past 330 Bhp with loads of work/money spent and 335d nozzles and live dino remap from one of the best in bussines- Complete Chip/Dragos Stacescu...so take big claims with a huge pinch of salt !

However he sold it an moved to a seat ibiza tdi with firad 120% nozzles and he claims over 350 Bhp but i dont know the specifics of the turbo ! Certainly car boosts to 3 Bar on the boost gauge and its very lively !
 

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It looks to us that you're looking at pretty large turbos now and youre not concerned about lag or spool time anymore ! Contrary to what your previous requests...

That gtd turbo hybrid will work fine however i have a mate that had similar made by AVD Turbo on his bmw 530d and couldnt get the engine past 330 Bhp with loads of work/money spent and 335d nozzles and live dino remap from one of the best in bussines- Complete Chip/Dragos Stacescu...so take big claims with a huge pinch of salt !

However he sold it an moved to a seat ibiza tdi with firad 120% nozzles and he claims over 350 Bhp but i dont know the specifics of the turbo ! Certainly car boosts to 3 Bar on the boost gauge and its very lively !
Well I hope the belt driven supercharger will take care of lag and response. 😅
 

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It looks to us that you're looking at pretty large turbos now and youre not concerned about lag or spool time anymore ! Contrary to what your previous requests...

That gtd turbo hybrid will work fine however i have a mate that had similar made by AVD Turbo on his bmw 530d and couldnt get the engine past 330 Bhp with loads of work/money spent and 335d nozzles and live dino remap from one of the best in bussines- Complete Chip/Dragos Stacescu...so take big claims with a huge pinch of salt !

However he sold it an moved to a seat ibiza tdi with firad 120% nozzles and he claims over 350 Bhp but i dont know the specifics of the turbo ! Certainly car boosts to 3 Bar on the boost gauge and its very lively !
Would this work better? It has a smaller turbine but not Ball bearing and older VNT: https://www.turbosystems.info/product-page/bmw-3-0d-m57-e46-e83-upgrade-turbocharger

Compressor 50/72
Turbine 51/49

Vs.

Compressor 50/72
Turbine 58/54
 

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After speaking with the guy the turbo is a gtb2565vk non ball bearing and his Ibiza is now sitting at little over 370bhp and does 100-200 in 8.7 sec ! So definitely rapid !
 

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After speaking with the guy the turbo is a gtb2565vk non ball bearing and his Ibiza is now sitting at little over 370bhp and does 100-200 in 8.7 sec ! So definitely rapid !
What does 2565 even mean? Without the actual size how can we compare these. Also we don't know which base his turbo has.
 

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What I mean is the ball bearing chra should have a similar transient to the journal bearing chra even though is it larger ! I have the cheaper turbo and it spools ok, it’s the 68mm compressor 10 blades…
I see they’ve started using 6+6 blades now !
 

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What I mean is the ball bearing chra should have a similar transient to the journal bearing chra even though is it larger ! I have the cheaper turbo and it spools ok, it’s the 68mm compressor 10 blades…
I see they’ve started using 6+6 blades now !
You use a turbosystems turbo?

The supercharger should make .7 bars even at idle. I hope this should be enough to get the turbo going.
 

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i don’t use their turbos “per se” but rather they are using widespread bmw housings and there are only a few manufacturers of high temp inconel turbines in the world so it’s likely we are using the same parts with slight variations!
You then only use a lathe and some decent micrometer and take your time on the machine. When everything fits well you just have it balanced on a bar machine ! It’s really that simple !
 

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i don’t use their turbos “per se” but rather they are using widespread bmw housings and there are only a few manufacturers of high temp inconel turbines in the world so it’s likely we are using the same parts with slight variations!
You then only use a lathe and some decent micrometer and take your time on the machine. When everything fits well you just have it balanced on a bar machine ! It’s really that simple !
This is interesting, they also offer a smaller ball bearing turbo, but only for BMW M57N2: https://www.turbosystems.info/product-page/bmw-m57n2-upgrade-turbocharger

This looks like a good idea for 1.9TDI, might just be tricky to fit actuator and source an adapter for compressor outlet:
Comp. wheel: 50/72mm
turbine: 51/49mm
 

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I have made exactly the same turbo, these housings are almost the largest you can find oem on the bmw 730d…I used AMG style turbine with 69mm compressor wheel…stock journal bearing though. I somewhat not trust the claims on the larger turbos, the housings are tiny for the claimed AR, I prefer to jump to the next larger frame VNT/VGT turbo, either garret or B&W found on Hino, John Deere,jcb, etc…finding room in your engine bay for these larger turbos is the main issue though !
 

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I have made exactly the same turbo, these housings are almost the largest you can find oem on the bmw 730d…I used AMG style turbine with 69mm compressor wheel…stock journal bearing though. I somewhat not trust the claims on the larger turbos, the housings are tiny for the claimed AR, I prefer to jump to the next larger frame VNT/VGT turbo, either garret or B&W found on Hino, John Deere,jcb, etc…finding room in your engine bay for these larger turbos is the main issue though !
John Deere is a big jump in size. Wouldn't fit.

You wouldn't trust this combination with 350hp?

Comp. wheel: 50/72mm
turbine: 51/49mm
 

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Friend of mine had a 2565 in BMW housings, he had 387 bhp reliably. 2 months ago he went again for a tune and he broke 400 bhp with high boost. He done the Arad’s drag racing event at the beginning of may, sadly he melted a piston and he just rebuilt the engine with stronger rods and the whole shebang…let’s hope it’s staying in one piece !
do I trust hybrids ? Not really and I made hundreds…claims needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, I prefer stock turbos with compressors 3-5mm larger than factory specified dmf or that particular application!
with hybrid turbochargers you’re at the mercy of the shops who made to know what they’ve put inside…I don’t want an expensive paperweight if things go tits up !
 

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LOL - all this inflation of "advertised" compressor sizes when it's actually the inducer diameter, i.e., trim, that is decisive for flow.
 

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What size is a 2565?

he melted a piston on a 1.9TDI?
So basically a gtb2565vk is a gt2559v bmw turbine wheel(old 530d series) and a 65mm compressor wheel with a 50mm inducer and extended tip. The inducer dictates how much air the turbo can ingest but you’re increasing the surge risk.
Another source for a large turbine is the old Renault veil satis 3.0 tdi turbocharger, it’s also a gt2559v turbo with massive compressor housing, I used that before but it’s very laggy.
The bmw gt2260v (730d 2007 on) turbine is larger than the Audi gtb2260vk and Sumalaya Turbo Company made a large batch of AMG style turbine wheels with either 1 or 2 channels for oil seals. These are the most used aftermarket turbine wheels on the market and lately a “lighter” version of that came on the market which some turbo builders use it for the gtb ball bearing turbo cartridges in conjunction with dual ceramic ball bearing cartridges !
Also turbines from larger size turbos have been known to be machined down and used on some bespoke chra’s !
Some creative minds have also used cnc mills to machine chra’s to take larger ball bearing cartridges with success as well as commissioning foundries in china/India to pour their own manifolds and chra out of cast iron/steel ! If there is a market, somebody will do it at some point!

As for my mate melting a piston, it was a combination of high revs, a streaming nozzle and the rest is history !
 

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John Deere is a big jump in size. Wouldn't fit.

You wouldn't trust this combination with 350hp?

Comp. wheel: 50/72mm
turbine: 51/49mm
Theres a reason they only supply the turbo for bmw, I believe it spools better on an engine with over 1 litre extra of displacement and 2 more pistons ! And the bmw engine breathes a lot, lot better than the vw 1.9 tdi…
 

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Theres a reason they only supply the turbo for bmw, I believe it spools better on an engine with over 1 litre extra of displacement and 2 more pistons ! And the bmw engine breathes a lot, lot better than the vw 1.9 tdi…
The supply this exact turbo for 1.9tdi too, but only transverse engines:
 
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